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Madeleine McCann

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  • #2282
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    CityMan2020 wrote: »
    She died in the room
    The only thing that needs to be proven is by who ? And where they disposed of the body .

    Ok Goncalo; we get you.

    Joking aside; none of us know so what makes you so sure?


  • #2283
    CityMan2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭CityMan2020


    2 dogs won't lie. Especially when both highlight the exact same place of the room .

    It was also the last place she was seen . And nobody seen/heard her leave . Easier to remove a dead body.

    Could come up with theories on what happened to cause her death and who removed her body but that end of it would just be pure guesswork


  • #2284
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Ok Goncalo; we get you.

    Joking aside; none of us know so what makes you so sure?

    Absolutely, none of us know yet there are posters here portraying their opinion as fact and every suggestion to the contrary as nothing more than conspiracy.
    The facts in this case are very small. Madeleine disappeared, due to parental neglect. Despite the efforts of UK and Portuguese authorities she is still missing and no one with knowledge of what happened is willing to talk.
    Everything said here is speculative and based on opinion.


  • #2285
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Sadly, victim recovery dogs are deemed very unreliable. They may "alert" to whatever they were trained on - or at a signal from the handler - but they can't tell you what they are Alerting to or why, or how long it has been there, etc.

    They are corroboration, rather than conclusive.

    Still, in this case, it is one of the few points of actual evidence; somebody, sometime, bled in that apartment.


  • #2286
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Absolutely, none of us know yet there are posters here portraying their opinion as fact and every suggestion to the contrary as nothing more than conspiracy.
    The facts in this case are very small. Madeleine disappeared, due to parental neglect. Despite the efforts of UK and Portuguese authorities she is still missing and no one with knowledge of what happened is willing to talk.
    Everything said here is speculative and based on opinion.

    Parental neglect + abductor = missing person

    TUSLA wouldn't prosecute a parent for leaving them like the Mc Canns did. But, snatching a kid clearly is a crime.


    To put 100℅ blame on parents is disingenuous. If as parents we got punished every time we weren't attentive to our kids it would be a cruel world

    How many kids go wandering off when we are at the shops? It used to happen me all the time despite my kid being beside me


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  • #2287
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Parental neglect + abductor = missing person

    TUSLA wouldn't prosecute a parent for leaving them like the Mc Canns did. But, snatching a kid clearly is a crime.


    To put 100℅ blame on parents is disingenuous. If as parents we got punished every time we weren't attentive to our kids it would be a cruel world

    How many kids go wandering off when we are at the shops? It used to happen me all the time despite my kid being beside me

    You ever go on holidays with your mates and leave you kids in the room on their own for up to 3 hours each night 4 nights out of 7 while you went on the wine? If your answer is no your experience is not comparable.


  • #2288
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There is no evidence she was abducted, that's a fact at present. Nothing got to do with reasonable or unreasonable.


    Ah you are back.......can you answer the question

    For the 3rd time

    In your opinion what happened to Madeleine?

    And if you have already stated your opinion, can you give the post number or a link to your said opinion.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2289
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Ah you are back.......can you answer the question

    For the 3rd time

    In your opinion what happened to Madeleine?

    And if you have already stated your opinion, can you give the post number or a link to your said opinion.

    I comment on my phone so I don't know what post number it's under.
    Drop the passive aggressive manner it serves no purpose.
    I gave my answer earlier.


  • #2290
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I comment on my phone so I don't know what post number it's under.
    Drop the passive aggressive manner it serves no purpose.
    I gave my answer earlier.

    So you won't answer

    More deflection...goodbye

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2291
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,162 ✭✭✭✭briany


    WAW wrote: »
    No wish to rub salt in McCann's wounds or saying they are responsible for the daughter being snatched by a paedophile (potentially).

    However, I still can't get over that anyone thinks such behaviour is anything but gross neglect. Night after night the lot of the parents were leaving babies and toddlers unattended. Regular checks? Not likely! And people say this is commonplace on holidays -by whom?

    It beggars belief that anyone can.put this across as bit of unintended benign neglect.

    We all want a bit of a break from small kids on holidays but why one parent or the granny who was on holidays with one of the couples couldn't take turns of minding the children each night is beyond me.

    I find their whole holiday set up of bringing kids who spent their normal time at home in crèche only to put them on crèche on holidays bizzare anyway but they wouldn't be alone in.that - why have kids at all if you can only stand being with them for the minimum time but that is not a crime in the eyes of the law. But all of those parents on that holiday leaving tiny tots unattended is unfathomable.

    I hope that behaviour was not and is not commonplace. I'm not a worrier but jaysus it's just playing with fire, apart from.beimg cruel and irresponsible.

    If the Tapas 7 had all agreed that leaving their kids in the apartments was fine while they dined across the pool, then it's probably a conclusion that many of the holidaymakers with kids who stayed at that resort arrived at as well. Where something is found once, it may be unique, but where it's found more than once, it may be common.

    Not that anyone would admit to it now, of course.

    Just what gets me is the amount of moral grandstanding going by tabloids and its readers, many of whom are probably parents who never thought twice about letting their young children out to play all day and who could very easily have been abducted by an opportunistic paedo if they were in the area. Gross negligence on a wide scale right up to the mid 90s if not longer.


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  • #2292
    CityMan2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭CityMan2020


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    Sadly, victim recovery dogs are deemed very unreliable. They may "alert" to whatever they were trained on - or at a signal from the handler - but they can't tell you what they are Alerting to or why, or how long it has been there, etc.

    They are corroboration, rather than conclusive.

    Still, in this case, it is one of the few points of actual evidence; somebody, sometime, bled in that apartment.

    In 200 cases they were never wrong . One dog alerted there was a dead body atghe sofa . the other human blood in the exact same spot .

    And the complex confirmed nobody had previously died in the apartment


  • #2293
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    So you won't answer

    More deflection...goodbye

    I did answer , it's you that is unwilling to read back the thread. I have no interest in repeating myself even if you demand I do. Bye now.


  • #2294
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I did answer , it's you that is unwilling to read back the thread. I have no interest in repeating myself even if you demand I do. Bye now.


    So you won't state your opinion on what happened to Madeleine on 3rd may 2007.

    Just asking your opinion.....

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2295
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You ever go on holidays with your mates and leave you kids in the room on their own for up to 3 hours each night 4 nights out of 7 while you went on the wine? If your answer is no your experience is not comparable.[/quot


    The parents are guilty of leaving their kids unattended - please contact the Portuguese police to pursue a prosecution

    Tell them I have your back and that you are abhorred at such behaviour;)


  • #2296
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    CityMan2020 wrote: »
    In 200 cases they were never wrong . One dog alerted there was a dead body atghe sofa . the other human blood in the exact same spot .

    And the complex confirmed nobody had previously died in the apartment

    Really? Interesting

    Did forensics not find blood at the scene ?

    Surely there would have been blood splatters on wall etc?


  • #2297
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    So you won't state your opinion on what happened to Madeleine on 3rd may 2007.

    Just asking your opinion.....

    I did state it, you missed it not my problem. The post is still there unedited.
    Now I 've dealt with your question more than once wouldn't be doing so again.


  • #2298
    CityMan2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭CityMan2020


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Really? Interesting

    Did forensics not find blood at the scene ?

    Surely there would have been blood splatters on wall etc?

    Don't think so . I think the McCann's said she suffered from nose bleeds when it was highlighted

    However the cadaver dog smelling a dead body being in the apartment is more concerning .


  • #2299
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I did state it, you missed it not my problem. The post is still there unedited.
    Now I 've dealt with your question more than once wouldn't be doing so again.


    You have not dealt with question, you continually deflect away from answering the question.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2300
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I did answer , it's you that is unwilling to read back the thread. I have no interest in repeating myself even if you demand I do. Bye now.

    No offense, but you’ve been repeating yourself ad nauseum all the way through this thread! lol


  • #2301
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    No offense, but you’ve been repeating yourself ad nauseum all the way through this thread! lol

    I find if funny why someone would start a sentence claiming one thing and immediately contradicting themselves quite deliberately.


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  • #2302
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,852 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I did state it, you missed it not my problem. The post is still there unedited.
    Now I 've dealt with your question more than once wouldn't be doing so again.

    You have 85 posts on the thread..

    Can you even give the approximate date you stated what you believe happened to Madeleine?


  • #2303
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I find if funny why someone would start a sentence claiming one thing and immediately contradicting themselves quite deliberately.

    No offense intended, but it’s true.


  • #2304
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,852 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    CityMan2020 wrote: »
    Don't think so . I think the McCann's said she suffered from nose bleeds when it was highlighted

    However the cadaver dog smelling a dead body being in the apartment is more concerning .

    You do realize that Cadevar dogs are not at all fully reliable...


  • #2305
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    No offense intended, but it’s true.

    I have stated there is very few verifiable facts in this case and have repeated them several times. Maddie was neglected by her parents and she disappeared. Everything else is guesswork and opinion until new facts are discovered. What I just wrote is also true.


  • #2306
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You ever go on holidays with your mates and leave you kids in the room on their own for up to 3 hours each night 4 nights out of 7 while you went on the wine? If your answer is no your experience is not comparable.[/quot


    The parents are guilty of leaving their kids unattended - please contact the Portuguese police to pursue a prosecution

    Tell them I have your back and that you are abhorred at such behaviour;)

    A former Portuguese justice minister several years ago said the McCanns were not prosecuted for child abandonment on compassionate grounds and that the Portuguese believed the British attitude to leaving children on their own was a cultural thing.
    So what I think wouldn't make a difference to a decision taken years ago by the PJ.


  • #2307
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    walshb wrote: »
    You do realize that Cadevar dogs are not at all fully reliable...

    The dogs are an indicator not definitive.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html


  • #2308
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have stated there is very few verifiable facts in this case and have repeated them several times. Maddie was neglected by her parents and she disappeared. Everything else is guesswork and opinion until new facts are discovered. What I just wrote is also true.

    Yeah, you have stated it. Repeatedly. Whenever anyone starts to discuss latest developments, or any other theory. Keep in mind the thread was started in response to, and to discuss, latest developments.


  • #2309
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,852 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have stated there is very few verifiable facts in this case and have repeated them several times. Maddie was neglected by her parents and she disappeared. Everything else is guesswork and opinion until new facts are discovered. What I just wrote is also true.

    Is this your view of what happened to Maddie? You haven’t said who you think took her/abducted her or hid her or ended her life...?

    You don’t actually have a view on who is the person(s) that did this?

    Either the parents are guilty or someone else? Who do you think?

    Oh, I agree that the parents neglected her that night...


  • #2310
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    walshb wrote: »
    Is this your view of what happened to Maddie? You haven’t said who you think took her/abducted her or hid her or ended her life...?

    You don’t actually have a view on who is the person(s) that did this?

    Either the parents are guilty or someone else? Who do you think?

    Sure who the hell even knows where to start in regards to who took her, if she was took, nobody on here has a bulls notion at all, nothing at all. Let’s be honest all this is speculation.


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  • #2311
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    walshb wrote: »
    Is this your view of what happened to Maddie? You haven’t said who took her/abducted her or hid her or ended her life...?

    You don’t actually have a view on who is the person(s) that did this?

    If I could state exactly what happened to Maddie don't you think I would have saved the Metropolitan Police 12 million in their futile search which has discovered nothing after 13 years. I believe she never left the apartment alive though. No evidence of an intruder so it narrows down things considerably. After that it gets difficult to say or even guess what happened.


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