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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    To allow something you have to have knowledge of it.


    The abductor is 100% responsible for the abduction.

    they had knowledge of it thow. they knew she was alone in an unlocked apartment 150feets away. they didnt know about an abducter but you should always assume there could be someone like that around


    allow might not be the right word, maybe facilitated it might be better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭robwen


    The best friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has dramatically claimed “I know he did it.”

    Michael Tatschl lived with the German paedophile in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished. He said: “He was a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child for sexual kicks or money.”

    We can reveal that Austrian drifter Mr Tatschl was grilled last year by German and Austrian police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

    He reportedly told them how his pal bragged about burgling rich tourists’ holiday apartments

    Mr Tatschl, 46, claimed that Brueckner, 43, also boasted about “selling kids” – although there as been no evidence found of this so far – and he fears Madeleine was sold to a sex ring.

    He claimed: “He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids, maybe to Morocco.

    “I think he probably sold Maddie to someone. Maybe a sex ring. I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend. I know he did it.”

    Mr Tatschl claimed that Brueckner was obsessed with the dark web and suspects he used it to deal in pornography and drugs.

    He also claimed Brueckner had a secret spot in his home in Praia da Lux where he kept stolen loot.

    Mr Tatschl’s name emerged last week after Portuguese authorities granted access to Brueckner’s court records.

    They showed Brueckner was locked up on remand with Mr Tatschl after they were caught stealing diesel from lorries.

    Mr Tatschl, a dad of one who is now back in his native Austria, said he expects an arrest is “imminent” in Madeleine’s case.

    In his first ever media interview, he described Brueckner as a “strange character”.

    He said: “He was definitely a pervert. All his friends thought that about him. He had some sexual issues.

    "I really hope they can finally close this case for the family and find Christian guilty for what he has done. He needs to admit it to the police.”

    Brueckner befriended Mr Tatschl in late 2005. Mr Tatschl began living with him in early 2006 at his farmhouse in Praia da Luz, Algarve, which Brueckner shared with his German girlfriend.

    Mr Tatschl said: “I was staying at his house and camping in a van in the garden. We spent a lot of time together and had good fun. He did not take drugs at the time but liked to have a drink.”

    Mr Tatschl claimed that Brueckner bragged about regularly robbing holiday flats.

    He alleged: “He was a very good burglar and would easily climb up to first-floor apartments when tourists were out.

    "He would steal money, valuables and passports. He had a hiding place in his house, in the roof. He had the money and passports hidden up there."

    He added: “Christian was always on the dark web. I don’t know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography.”

    Mr Tatschl said he was “sucked in” to Brueckner’s life of crime.

    In April 2006, the pair were caught by police stealing diesel from two lorries in Portimao, Algarve. They spent over eight months on remand in jail awaiting trial.

    Mr Tatschl claimed that while they were in jail, Brueckner got a pal to clear his home of the alleged stolen loot.

    He claimed: “He ordered a friend to get rid of any evidence of burglaries or robberies. But this guy and another friend ended up robbing the house and took all the valuables and money.

    “They also got a video camera from the house, which was how I found out he was a sick b*****d.

    "On that camera was a video of him raping an old woman. It was of this elderly lady who was chained to a wooden post and she was being beaten and raped.”

    It is not believed that the woman in the video was the American pensioner Brueckner was later convicted of raping and is currently serving jail time for in Germany.

    After Brueckner’s release from prison, he stayed in Praia da Luz, living in the VW Westfalia van that police later seized.

    Mr Tatschl said: “I think that confused the police as they were not sure where he was living exactly when Maddie vanished. But he had his van and was living free.”

    Mr Tatschl moved to the hippy enclave of Orgiva in Andalusia, Spain, in April 2007, weeks before Madeleine, three, vanished on May 3.

    He said Brueckner turned up in “late May or early June” driving a Tiffin Allegro winnebago. It was in this vehicle that police found a stash of girls’ swimming costumes in 2016.

    Brueckner also allegedly bragged he could hide “drugs and children” inside the 30ft-long van.

    Mr Tatschl said: “He parked it up in Orgiva and came looking for me.

    “We all wondered where he’d got the money from? It was a big expensive thing. We assumed it was from a big drug deal or something like that. Now I suspect it was Maddie.

    “He was only there for a couple of days and went on back to Germany. Mr Tatschl lost touch with Brueckner and returned to his native Austria several years ago to start a family.

    It was while watching last year’s Netflix series The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann that he became convinced his friend was responsible.

    He claimed: “When I saw the documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty.

    "The part where the female tourist talked about the creepy guy with acne and blond hair, I just knew it was Christian for sure.”

    Within weeks of the series airing, German and Austrian police knocked on Mr Tatschl’s door. He was interviewed by detectives over two days in April 2019.

    He said: “They were very clear. They said, ‘We are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brueckner’.

    “I was convinced it was him. I spent 14 hours talking about my time with Christian and what I knew about him.”

    “I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me.”

    Asked why he did not contact police himself, he replied: “Perhaps I should have, but I don’t like the police very much.”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-best-friend-22230250


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I don’t want to hear other people’s theories, I want to hear yours. Obviously I know you aren’t going to know the disposal site etc but I’d like to hear the timeline of events from your perspective of how they might have done it.

    They collected Madeleine from kids club at 6pm, what happened then?

    Delighted to hear you want to hear my theories above the theories of the professionals. I think that there was something very strange going on with this group - i.e David Payne. Google him. I think that the kids were "sedated" to allow the adults to party. I suspect that Madeleine died in the apartment, as the cadaver dogs indicated, and her body was disposed of. I have no idea how this was done. It's just my opinion. I cannot prove that the McCanns disposed of their child's body, just as nobody can can prove that there was an abductor.

    Back to my original point. Madeleine's "abductor" is a no, no. "Madeleine's disappearance is a fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 957 ✭✭✭80j2lc5y7u6qs9


    robwen wrote: »
    The best friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has dramatically claimed “I know he did it.”

    Michael Tatschl lived with the German paedophile in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished. He said: “He was a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child for sexual kicks or money.”

    We can reveal that Austrian drifter Mr Tatschl was grilled last year by German and Austrian police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

    He reportedly told them how his pal bragged about burgling rich tourists’ holiday apartments

    Mr Tatschl, 46, claimed that Brueckner, 43, also boasted about “selling kids” – although there as been no evidence found of this so far – and he fears Madeleine was sold to a sex ring.

    He claimed: “He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids, maybe to Morocco.

    “I think he probably sold Maddie to someone. Maybe a sex ring. I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend. I know he did it.”

    Mr Tatschl claimed that Brueckner was obsessed with the dark web and suspects he used it to deal in pornography and drugs.

    He also claimed Brueckner had a secret spot in his home in Praia da Lux where he kept stolen loot.

    Mr Tatschl’s name emerged last week after Portuguese authorities granted access to Brueckner’s court records.

    They showed Brueckner was locked up on remand with Mr Tatschl after they were caught stealing diesel from lorries.

    Mr Tatschl, a dad of one who is now back in his native Austria, said he expects an arrest is “imminent” in Madeleine’s case.

    In his first ever media interview, he described Brueckner as a “strange character”.

    He said: “He was definitely a pervert. All his friends thought that about him. He had some sexual issues.

    "I really hope they can finally close this case for the family and find Christian guilty for what he has done. He needs to admit it to the police.”

    Brueckner befriended Mr Tatschl in late 2005. Mr Tatschl began living with him in early 2006 at his farmhouse in Praia da Luz, Algarve, which Brueckner shared with his German girlfriend.

    Mr Tatschl said: “I was staying at his house and camping in a van in the garden. We spent a lot of time together and had good fun. He did not take drugs at the time but liked to have a drink.”

    Mr Tatschl claimed that Brueckner bragged about regularly robbing holiday flats.

    He alleged: “He was a very good burglar and would easily climb up to first-floor apartments when tourists were out.

    "He would steal money, valuables and passports. He had a hiding place in his house, in the roof. He had the money and passports hidden up there."

    He added: “Christian was always on the dark web. I don’t know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography.”

    Mr Tatschl said he was “sucked in” to Brueckner’s life of crime.

    In April 2006, the pair were caught by police stealing diesel from two lorries in Portimao, Algarve. They spent over eight months on remand in jail awaiting trial.

    Mr Tatschl claimed that while they were in jail, Brueckner got a pal to clear his home of the alleged stolen loot.

    He claimed: “He ordered a friend to get rid of any evidence of burglaries or robberies. But this guy and another friend ended up robbing the house and took all the valuables and money.

    “They also got a video camera from the house, which was how I found out he was a sick b*****d.

    "On that camera was a video of him raping an old woman. It was of this elderly lady who was chained to a wooden post and she was being beaten and raped.”

    It is not believed that the woman in the video was the American pensioner Brueckner was later convicted of raping and is currently serving jail time for in Germany.

    After Brueckner’s release from prison, he stayed in Praia da Luz, living in the VW Westfalia van that police later seized.

    Mr Tatschl said: “I think that confused the police as they were not sure where he was living exactly when Maddie vanished. But he had his van and was living free.”

    Mr Tatschl moved to the hippy enclave of Orgiva in Andalusia, Spain, in April 2007, weeks before Madeleine, three, vanished on May 3.

    He said Brueckner turned up in “late May or early June” driving a Tiffin Allegro winnebago. It was in this vehicle that police found a stash of girls’ swimming costumes in 2016.

    Brueckner also allegedly bragged he could hide “drugs and children” inside the 30ft-long van.

    Mr Tatschl said: “He parked it up in Orgiva and came looking for me.

    “We all wondered where he’d got the money from? It was a big expensive thing. We assumed it was from a big drug deal or something like that. Now I suspect it was Maddie.

    “He was only there for a couple of days and went on back to Germany. Mr Tatschl lost touch with Brueckner and returned to his native Austria several years ago to start a family.

    It was while watching last year’s Netflix series The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann that he became convinced his friend was responsible.

    He claimed: “When I saw the documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty.

    "The part where the female tourist talked about the creepy guy with acne and blond hair, I just knew it was Christian for sure.”

    Within weeks of the series airing, German and Austrian police knocked on Mr Tatschl’s door. He was interviewed by detectives over two days in April 2019.

    He said: “They were very clear. They said, ‘We are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brueckner’.

    “I was convinced it was him. I spent 14 hours talking about my time with Christian and what I knew about him.”

    “I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me.”

    Asked why he did not contact police himself, he replied: “Perhaps I should have, but I don’t like the police very much.”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-best-friend-22230250
    would you believe the pal of "a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child for sexual kicks or money.”


    what kind of person would live with the pervert


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    maebee wrote: »
    Delighted to hear you want to hear my theories above the theories of the professionals. I think that there was something very strange going on with this group - i.e David Payne. Google him. I think that the kids were "sedated" to allow the adults to party. I suspect that Madeleine died in the apartment, as the cadaver dogs indicated, and her body was disposed of. I have no idea how this was done. It's just my opinion. I cannot prove that the McCanns disposed of their child's body, just as nobody can can prove that there was an abductor.

    Back to my original point. Madeleine's "abductor" is a no, no. "Madeleine's disappearance is a fact.

    I know you have no proof, I wasn’t expecting any.
    Sure if there was proof then the case would be long solved.
    I was looking for a timeline of events of how they carried out their crime, but you don’t have one.

    This is exactly why I don’t believe they are involved, not because I blindly support them at all costs, but because I don’t see how they could have done what they are accused of in the allotted time frame.

    They collected Madeleine from kids club at 6pm, Gerry was at tennis till 7pm. They sat down to dinner at 8:30pm.
    That gave them 2.5 hours to sedate & overdose/accidentally kill/murder Madeleine, come up with their abduction plot, get the other parent/the Tapas 7 on board with the plan, clean away all evidence, come up with a disposal spot, and get rid of the child’s corpse so well that it still hasn’t been found 13 years later.
    All of this with no car, no google maps/mobile internet or much local knowledge while other tourists are out and about going for dinner.
    I don’t see how they could possibly have done all that and then sit nonchalantly down for dinner at 8:30pm.

    I find it completely implausible that two doctors, one of whom was a qualified anaesthetist, could accidentally give their daughter such an overdose that she ended up dead.

    And I also find it baffling that people hold such faith in the dogs when they have been proven to be unreliable. They can also only be used to back up physical evidence, of which there is none.
    Any thoughts or opinions on the cadaver alert the dogs gave in the UK, that turned out to be a coconut shell and not a child’s skull?
    If it’s possible that they got it wrong even one time, can they really be used as irrefutable proof to base such a horrible accusation on?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Post office back open.

    Will a letter arrive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    maebee wrote: »
    I suspect that Madeleine died in the apartment, as the cadaver dogs indicated, and her body was disposed of. I have no idea how this was done. It's just my opinion. I cannot prove that the McCanns disposed of their child's body, just as nobody can can prove that there was an abductor.

    A lot of people struggle to imagine how it was done.

    But with so much wrong in the case they remain open to it being anyone including the McCanns.

    Some allow their lack of imagination to re-reinforce their innocence and defend them at all costs.

    It's a divisive case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    A lot of people struggle to imagine how it was done.

    But with so much wrong in the case they remain open to it being anyone including the McCanns.

    Some allow their lack of imagination to re-reinforce their innocence and defend them at all costs.

    It's a divisive case.

    Lack of imagination, lol. I'll take a common sense approach to established events over imagination before jumping to accuse someone of manslaughter any day.

    Some posters have so much 'imagination', they're willing to believe the theories of a woman who suggests they may have carried their dead, mummified daughter home in their suitcase because they're so stuck on believing the parent's guilt.

    No one can come up with a credible theory, because logistically, it would be almost impossible to do. That's the problem with the accusation, not a 'lack of imagination'. I may imagine aliens came down and took Madeleine, that's imagination. I prefer to stick to probable rather than fantastical, though....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    would you believe the pal of "a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child for sexual kicks or money.”


    what kind of person would live with the pervert

    'I did not report him because I don't like the police'. What a ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    allegedly Bruckener stole e32,000 worth of valuables to fund a drug deal with this ‘Julia’ they are now hunting. I can’t imagine how many burgalaries and peoples safety in their homes ruined because of all of these crimes - we are far too soft on so called ‘minor’ crimes. Germans had the right idea - lock him up for 8 months while awaiting trial as he was a danger to society. God knows how many victims of his predatory behaviour they saved with that.

    Reading this morning of the alleged terrorist who ‘allegedly’ stabbed and killed 3 people in that park in the UK - another violent criminal with a history of crime, psycopathic rages, threats and knife crime - let out early half way through his sentence despite social workers and probation saying he was violent and unpredictable and they could not monitor properly control him.

    As with the predatory paedophiles and lifelong criminals the like of B. one has to start asking why is the soft agenda on sexual predators and convicted criminals and at what point is the like of the Australian approach going to be taken - where people are convicted and locked up for LIFE for their crimes and NOT let out early, and the good of the public is considered in sentencing alongside their past crime history which is not used to excuse them as it is in Ireland but to weigh their sentences (harder) based on their likliehood of reoffending and cause harm to innocent others and the public good.

    we have all the technology and software we need - we need as a community to stop allowing our politicians to shrug off their responsibilities to the innocent , to victims and to the public and to stop making crime a lifestyle choice that rewards and pays lifelong dividends.

    So long as the soft bleeding heart left approach to crime and violence continues we will have violent predators and monsters stalking our streets and communities - just like this guy B. and his criminal croonies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    A lot of people struggle to imagine how it was done.

    But with so much wrong in the case they remain open to it being anyone including the McCanns.

    Some allow their lack of imagination to re-reinforce their innocence and defend them at all costs.

    It's a divisive case.

    A perpetually stuck record accusing others of lack of imagination. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    A perpetually stuck record accusing others of lack of imagination. :rolleyes:


    Wouldn't need to if there wasn't people condoning leaving 3 kids on their own in an unlocked apartment while they go off on the vino.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    Wouldn't need to if there wasn't people condoning leaving 3 kids on their own in an unlocked apartment while they go off on the vino.

    Where are those posts, can you quote them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Where are those posts, can you quote them?


    cnocbui will tell you himself.


    You can search his posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    Wouldn't need to if there wasn't people condoning leaving 3 kids on their own in an unlocked apartment while they go off on the vino.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
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    You condoned it yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    In fairness, I did own up to condoning the McCanns via an easily missed brief admission.


    Less we forget.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Where are those posts, can you quote them?

    There is one, mine. I don't have a problem with the McCann's actions at the time. So there is one person; but only one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    There is one, mine. I don't have a problem with the McCann's actions at the time. So there is one person; but only one.


    One is one too many IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    You condoned it yourself.

    Which, as you know very well, I have confirmed on every occasion. I'm still waiting for you to condemn me for letting my daughter climb trees and for taking my kids skiing, knowing full well that both could have resulted in death or serious injury. And it's lest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Which, as you know very well, I have confirmed on every occasion. I'm still waiting for you to condemn me for letting my daughter climb trees and for taking my kids skiing, knowing full well that both could have resulted in death or serious injury.


    I don't see them as comparable.


    Same as the vast majority of situations that have been brought up.


    From loving mothers making their child's dinner to the poor man who left his child in the car.


    None of them compare to leaving 3 helpless kids under 3 in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country _every_ night while they go out drinking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Which, as you know very well, I have confirmed on every occasion. I'm still waiting for you to condemn me for letting my daughter climb trees and for taking my kids skiing, knowing full well that both could have resulted in death or serious injury. And it's lest.

    where we you while she was climbing a tree or skiing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    One is one too many IMO

    I read that post and took it in a completely different context to you.

    Is that one ambiguous post with a person you’ve never ever agreed with on this topic really the reason that this point is brought up by yourself and others every 4/5 posts?
    What’s the excuse for relentlessly bringing it up prior to when what post was made?

    I have never seen anyone on this thread nor on any other thread for that matter say that leaving the kids alone was perfectly ok & acceptable and that they’d do the exact same thing themselves with their own children.

    Which is what leads me to the opinion that bringing up the fact that that they shouldn’t have left the kids unsupervised is just the default position when anyone points out the glaring holes & impossibilities in the theory of the McCanns being responsible.

    It’s just virtue signalling to distract from the fact that there is no way they could have done it.
    Not one person has been able to come up with a rational explanation on how they might have carried out this criminally masterminded plan, and yet any time this is pointed out, yourself and others revert back to the ‘but the kids shouldn’t have been left alone’ line of conversation.
    It’s so transparent to everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I read that post and took it in a completely different context to you.

    Is that one ambiguous post with a person you’ve never ever agreed with on this topic really the reason that this point is brought up by yourself and others every 4/5 posts?
    What’s the excuse for relentlessly bringing it up prior to when what post was made?

    I have never seen anyone on this thread nor on any other thread for that matter say that leaving the kids alone was perfectly ok & acceptable and that they’d do the exact same thing themselves with their own children.

    Which is what leads me to the opinion that bringing up the fact that that they shouldn’t have left the kids unsupervised is just the default position when anyone points out the glaring holes & impossibilities in the theory of the McCanns being responsible.

    It’s just virtue signalling to distract from the fact that there is no way they could have done it.
    Not one person has been able to come up with a rational explanation on how they might have carried out this criminally masterminded plan, and yet any time this is pointed out, yourself and others revert back to the ‘but the kids shouldn’t have been left alone’ line of conversation.
    It’s so transparent to everyone.

    th problem is that lots of people think it was ok and say things like 'lots of people did it', 'they thought it was ok' and give examples of things they did at home in their own homes as a way to trivialise it. anything other than total condemnation of them is unaceptable.



    just because no one can give a definitive(or even half plausable) time line of how they could have done it doesnt mean that they didnt.
    my mother watchs a lot of true crime documentries where they do the time line of it. some of the crimes and ways they covered it up are crazy and totally off the wall. a lot of times they were caught by shear luck and coincidence that the police looked at it a certain way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I read that post and took it in a completely different context to you.


    Let me clarify context

    cnocbui wrote: »
    There is one, mine. I don't have a problem with the McCann's actions at the time. So there is one person; but only one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Not that bad really, they were checking on them. Not too far away.

    If the kid was kidnapped it was the kidnappers fault.

    Dont forget if it was kidnapping, someone was going to get napped instead of Madeline that was napping. Nap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    where we you while she was climbing a tree or skiing.

    Not always within sight. At least once I lost my daughter on the slopes for at least 20 minutes.

    In 2009, in Austria, A German politician was skiing fast and collided with a woman, killing her and seriously injuring himself. Where I was in relation to my kids on the slopes is irrelevant with respect to such accidents being a possibility.

    Given that people don't mind parents knowingly endangering their children, I conclude what really gets up their nostrils is that the parents were relaxing and presumably enjoying themselves at the time. If they had been in the Tapas writing up a research paper or conducting a first aid class, I think the spitefulness would be a fraction of what it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    th problem is that lots of people think it was ok and say things like 'lots of people did it', 'they thought it was ok' and give examples of things they did at home in their own homes as a way to trivialise it. anything other than total condemnation of them is unaceptable.



    just because no one can give a definitive(or even half plausable) time line of how they could have done it doesnt mean that they didnt.
    my mother watchs a lot of true crime documentries where they do the time line of it. some of the crimes and ways they covered it up are crazy and totally off the wall. a lot of times they were caught by shear luck and coincidence that the police looked at it a certain way.

    But that is true, lots of people did do it and they did think it was safe. That’s not justifying it or excusing, that’s stating facts. That doesn’t negate from the fact that they shouldn’t have left the children but it does explain WHY they did it.
    It wasn’t an uncommon thing to do, and they arrogantly assumed it was safe. They are now paying the ultimate, highest price for that arrogance.

    I don’t see why utter and total condemnation is required every couple of posts when it’s pretty much universally agreed that they were in the wrong.

    This comes up time and time again, I’m not looking for a minute by minute account of what went down. I’m just wondering roughly how you’d fit all that into 2.5 hours (90mins if you include Gerry’s tennis lesson).

    If there being no evidence of something is a qualifying standard for making outlandish claims & baseless claims with nothing to back them up, I don’t see why we aren’t perusing the possibility that Madeleine was abducted by aliens.
    I mean, there’s no evidence she wasn’t. So it’s obviously a possibility.


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