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Madeleine McCann

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  • #2072
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    limnam wrote: »
    People playing it down to "only doing x"

    It's bloody disgusting. To think what that poor girl probably went through.

    It's grand you may have been raped and murdered

    Your parents just wanted to have a drink

    :mad::mad:

    I can't get it out of my head . A petrified little toddler being taken from her bed by a monster . All the while , in her most desperate time of need , her dad is sipping wine with friends down the street

    You have a duty as a parent when your child comes into the world . You provide for them , care for them and protect them from harm .


  • #2073
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    What the McCanns did was gross,reckless negligence

    Who put drinking wine with their buddys in front of their children's safety

    They left 3 kids under fcking 4 in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

    There's no justification for it. There's no statistic that makes that ok.

    Cannot believe we're having discussing this. I thought everyone at least agreed on that much.

    Christ all mighty

    Yes there is a statistic that makes it OK. It hadn't happened before, ever. There is no precedent for this, which is a huge part of the interest. the whole thing is utterly unique.

    Everyone's a bleeding genius with hindsight. Holiday resorts all over Europe, Mark Warner included, employed 'listening services'. They used these at Butlins holiday camps and many parents didn't even go that far. It felt safe, so they left the kids in their huts of an evening and went off to play Bingo and drink and carouse. A listening service is no protection whatsoever, but statistics made it safe, because in over half a century, it never failed catastrophically.

    Mark Warner knew PDL was an unsafe place, but they didn't tell their guests with small children that, oh no, just their employees.


  • #2074
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    ‘Get your brains in gear’, are you ok? Was that remark really called for?

    You’ve been following this thread long enough to know I have never ever condoned or defended them for leaving the children alone, so your holier than thou little rant about the basic facts of the case is completely unnecessary.

    I’m fed up of people repeating ad nauseam that they shouldn’t have left the kids unsupervised and the fact that it gets in the way of any and pretty much all constructive discussion about the case, but here we are.
    Some people just love repeating themselves and they’ve been banging their drum for so long now they can’t bear to lose face.

    You took my post out of context as an opportunity to give me a lecture (yet again) on how leaving the kids was irresponsible, when I never said it wasn’t.
    The point I was making was that the person who took Madeleine is the one responsible for her disappearance, not her parents.
    From the second Madeleine was taken from her bed, everything that happened from that point onwards is on her abductor.
    Someone said that Kate & Gerry bear the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine and I completely disagree with that, because that takes responsibility away from the criminal who kidnapped her.
    That’s the point I was making and I completely stand by it.

    I don't think it is as black and white as you're making out

    Their neglect of their child led to her disappeance


  • #2075
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yes there is a statistic that makes it OK. It hadn't happened before, ever. There is no precedent for this, which is a huge part of the interest. the whole thing is utterly unique.

    Everyone's a bleeding genius with hindsight. Holiday resorts all over Europe, Mark Warner included, employed 'listening services'. They used these at Butlins holiday camps and many parents didn't even go that far. It felt safe, so they left the kids in their huts of an evening and went off to play Bingo and drink and carouse. A listening service is no protection whatsoever, but statistics made it safe, because in over half a century, it never failed catastrophically.

    Mark Warner knew PDL was an unsafe place, but they didn't tell their guests with small children that, oh no, just their employees.

    Statistically everything in the world is safe

    Also , are you condoning what they done ?


  • #2076
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I can't get it out of my head . A petrified little toddler being taken from her bed by a monster . All the while , in her most desperate time of need , her dad is sipping wine with friends down the street

    You have a duty as a parent when your child comes into the world . You provide for them , care for them and protect them from harm .

    Now just work a trusted cleric into your story to give it an Irish flavour and you have the experience of untold Irish children.


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  • #2077
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I don't think it is as black and white as you're making out

    Their neglect of their child led to her disappeance

    And yet you have no issue with a post that says her parents bear the responsibility for her disappearance?

    You have no issue with the person who abducted her, they get off judgment free, the responsibility is totally on her parents?
    That’s what I was replying to. That’s what the post said.


  • #2078
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Statistically everything in the world is safe

    Swallowing cyanide isn't, nor is putting a loaded pistol to your head and attempting to fire a bullet clean through it.


  • #2079
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    People playing it down to "only doing x"

    It's bloody disgusting. To think what that poor girl probably went through.

    It's grand you may have been raped and murdered

    Your parents just wanted to have a drink

    :mad::mad:

    Quote where someone said that it’s ok that Madeleine may have been raped or murdered because her parents wanted to have a drink, or withdraw your absolutely vile, disgraceful assumption.

    What a horrible unfounded thing to imply, not one person here has said or even alluded to that whatsoever.


  • #2080
    ittakestwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    limnam wrote: »
    Child neglect is against the law.

    It is but no jurisdiction has taken a case of neglect. As probably it would fail under the law. If it is your or my opinion they are guilty of neglect that no jurisdiction could hold under their law then neglect would be our own subjective view.

    All the jurisdictions law Germany UK and Portugal would put 100% responsibility on who ever took her.


  • #2081
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Now just work a trusted cleric into your story to give it an Irish flavour and you have the experience of untold Irish children.

    No


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  • #2082
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Swallowing cyanide isn't, nor is putting a loaded pistol to your head and attempting to fire a bullet clean through it.

    Ok Gerry


  • #2083
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Round we go. Yes people, the McCanns left their kids alone in the unlocked apt.

    But let’s try to add a little context.. in their minds at the time they were not far from the apt, that were checking on them regularly as were the other couples in their group with their own kids.

    It’s not like they left the kids there jumped in a taxi to a nightclub 30km away drank all night and came back to find the child gone after 6 hours.

    Now before yis start, I do not believe it was ok to leave the kids the way they did. I certainly would never do it but the above context is needed I think.

    If the child was taken by someone, can you imagine what these parents have been going through.. my god it must be a world of pain everyday. They know they shouldn’t have done what they did, you better believe they know it.

    The person that took the child is by far the only person the anger should be towards here.


  • #2084
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Round we go. Yes people, the McCanns left their kids alone in the unlocked apt.

    But let’s try to add a little context.. in their minds at the time they were not far from the apt, that were checking on them regularly as were the other couples in their group with their own kids.

    It’s not like they left the kids there jumped in a taxi to a nightclub 30km away drank all night and came back to find the child gone after 6 hours.

    Now before yis start, I do not believe it was ok to leave the kids the way they did. I certainly would never do it but the above context is needed I think.

    If the child was taken by someone, can you imagine what these parents have been going through.. my god it must be a world of pain everyday. They know they shouldn’t have done what they did, you better believe they know it.

    The person that took the child is by far the only person the anger should be towards here.

    FFS


  • #2085
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Round we go

    weeeeeee

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  • #2086
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    ‘Get your brains in gear’, are you ok? Was that remark really called for?

    You’ve been following this thread long enough to know I have never ever condoned or defended them for leaving the children alone, so your holier than thou little rant about the basic facts of the case is completely unnecessary.

    I’m fed up of people repeating ad nauseam that they shouldn’t have left the kids unsupervised and the fact that it gets in the way of any and pretty much all constructive discussion about the case, but here we are.
    Some people just love repeating themselves and they’ve been banging their drum for so long now they can’t bear to lose face.

    You took my post out of context as an opportunity to give me a lecture (yet again) on how leaving the kids was irresponsible, when I never said it wasn’t.
    The point I was making was that the person who took Madeleine is the one responsible for her disappearance, not her parents.
    From the second Madeleine was taken from her bed, everything that happened from that point onwards is on her abductor.
    Someone said that Kate & Gerry bear the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine and I completely disagree with that, because that takes responsibility away from the criminal who kidnapped her.
    That’s the point I was making and I completely stand by it.

    I take your point but your post left you open to this, it’s just not this simplistic. As a set of parents did they do enough to protect their kids No they did not, does it make them part of the abduction no but their neglect is clear. One night you get lucky and get away with it but the longer nights in a row you do this the easier it is to read and every night the risk heightens. As reported by the parents Madeline cried the night before and they didn’t break their routine. Either one of the parents in a normal parenting world would start the next night to make sure they are okay and that’s at home in the safety of your house at home not in a strange place in a foreign country. You can multiple that terror for a child even just waking up and not knowing the place and your parents aren’t there, that’s scary for kids. Their actions weren’t that of parents putting their kids concerns first. (Doesn’t mean they are part of the missing of Madeleine ie: A Plot)


  • #2087
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    Guys, tone it down please. This is an emotive issue, so please remain calm and measure your responses, or your posting privileges will be removed.


  • #2088
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Ok Gerry

    Mod

    Dont post in this thread again.


  • #2089
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    I take your point but your post left you open to this, it’s just not this simplistic. As a set of parents did they do enough to protect their kids No they did not, does it make them part of the abduction no but their neglect is clear. One night you get lucky and get away with it but the longer nights in a row you do this the easier it is to read and every night the risk heightens. As reported by the parents Madeline cried the night before and they didn’t break their routine. Either one of the parents in a normal parenting world would start the next night to make sure they are okay and that’s at home in the safety of your house at home not in a strange place in a foreign country. You can multiple that terror for a child even just waking up and not knowing the place and your parents aren’t there, that’s scary for kids. Their actions weren’t that of parents putting their kids concerns first. (Doesn’t mean they are part of the missing of Madeleine ie: A Plot)

    I absolutely didn’t leave myself open to this, you have read my previous posts and you have been following this thread, you knew quite well when you made your post that I wasn’t defending them for leaving the kids alone and you still used it as an opportunity to go off on one at me.

    I have no interest in addressing any of the points you just made because it’s already been done to death a million times over in the last few pages alone. It’s been rehashed over and over.
    You don’t need to explain to me (again) why it was reckless to leave the kids alone when I never said otherwise. I know. I get it.

    I shouldn’t have to preface every single post I make with the fact that I don’t support or defend them leaving the kids unsupervised, and we should be able to discuss the case without going back to that fact literally every 5 minutes.

    The person who took Madeleine from her bed is the person who bears responsible for her disappearance. That’s what I said and I stand by it.


  • #2090
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    FFS

    Absolutely fantastic reply as usual.


  • #2091
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, the person who abducted her is responsible for her disappearance.

    The problem with this is that there is no proof of abduction. The Portuguese police (yea, I know you don't like them) believe that the "abduction" was simulated. So it's really an "alleged abduction".


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  • #2092
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod
    Rock77 don't post in this thread again.
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Absolutely fantastic reply as usual.


  • #2093
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I absolutely didn’t leave myself open to this, you have read my previous posts and you have been following this thread, you knew quite well when you made your post that I wasn’t defending them for leaving the kids alone and you still used it as an opportunity to go off on one at me.

    I have no interest in addressing any of the points you just made because it’s already been done to death a million times over in the last few pages alone. It’s been rehashed over and over.
    You don’t need to explain to me (again) why it was reckless to leave the kids alone when I never said otherwise. I know. I get it.

    I shouldn’t have to preface every single post I make with the fact that I don’t support or defend them leaving the kids unsupervised, and we should be able to discuss the case without going back to that fact literally every 5 minutes.

    The person who took Madeleine from her bed is the person who bears responsible for her disappearance. That’s what I said and I stand by it.

    Okay let’s leave it there then. It is an emotive issue. I take your points and understand where you were coming from.


  • #2094
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    maebee wrote: »
    The problem with this is that there is no proof of abduction. The Portuguese police (yea, I know you don't like them) believe that the "abduction" was simulated. So it's really an "alleged abduction".

    This is true too, there’s no proof of anything it seems.


  • #2095
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    I can't believe they haven't even received the letters, I mean if they can't deliver a piece of paper what chance have they at solving this case.


  • #2096
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    maebee wrote: »
    The problem with this is that there is no proof of abduction. The Portuguese police (yea, I know you don't like them) believe that the "abduction" was simulated. So it's really an "alleged abduction".

    13 unidentified sets of finger prints, numerous unidentified hair samples, a child missing from her bed, a large amount of pedophiles & rapists living in the surrounding areas, other children sexually assaulted nearby in the previous months & years, the Tapas group booking the same table at the same time every single night and the reason for this is was common knowledge among hotel staff, parents accounted for and unable to carry out her murder & disposal of her corpse in the timeframe of events?

    And you think there’s no evidence at all?

    I’m open to how you think they could have done it, btw. Kate collected Madeleine from kids club at 6pm, Gerry was at tennis till 7pm and they sat down to dinner at 8:30pm. I’d love to hear your theory on how they murdered her/accidentally killed her in that timeframe and got away with it.


  • #2097
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    2u2me wrote: »
    I can't believe they haven't even received the letters, I mean if they can't deliver a piece of paper what chance have they at solving this case.

    What chance does any police force? Operation Grange note I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the MET to see what they’ve unearthed. Seems to be the only Operation that’s been in the radar all the way through and the officers continually fighting for funding which has to be applauded.


  • #2098
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Quote where someone said that it’s ok that Madeleine may have been raped or murdered because her parents wanted to have a drink, or withdraw your absolutely vile, disgraceful assumption.

    What a horrible unfounded thing to imply, not one person here has said or even alluded to that whatsoever.

    I said they said it's ok that they were left alone.

    You don't have to look too far back.

    have a read back


  • #2099
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    I said they said it's ok that they were left alone.

    You don't have to look too far back.

    have a read back

    That's the clean part of what you said.


  • #2100
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That's the clean part of what you said.

    I wasn't quoting anyone on the second part.

    Not sure how it makes it not clean


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  • #2101
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    limnam wrote: »
    I said they said it's ok that they were left alone.

    You don't have to look too far back.

    have a read back

    So who thinks it’s grand that she may have been raped and murdered so that her parents could go for a drink? Yourself is it? If not you, then who are you referring to? Why would you even say such a horrific thing?

    You are so dishonest that you can’t even stand by what you said. Have a read back if you can’t remember but it’s there in black and white for us all to see.


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