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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    i reported this earlier but wanted to see if there was any support for doing something about the incredibly annoying and downright childish practice of mangling politicians names?

    if i have to read the word "mehole" one more time i think i might scratch out my eyes for example

    Might be, somewhat, hard to “police”. For me, if I’m being perfectly honest, I don’t think the “Current Affairs” needs any additional rules.

    I really do believe that any of the, regular, posters of that forum getting banned is to the “detriment” of the rest of the site. They just end up scuttling in to, more, “normal” forums and start putting down grubby roots.

    I get how something like that whole “joke-naming” thing could annoy you but, I mean, this is the forum where one user had their “handle” set to that of the Taoiseach’s partner. They’ve since changed it but it’s was there for quite some time.

    I, personally, found that to be in, very, poor taste. Downright creepy.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This being locked makes no sense

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058090358/1

    It was only derailed by a handful of usual types because it was another conversation influenced on race. Aside from all the threadspoiling posts in there, personal digs at the OP, there was constructive posting happening and was startled to see it suddenly locked.

    We have multiple threads for the US election - one is being kept alive seemingly only to satisfy the traffic of users who were threadbanned from the first. Yet no rabble of users is shouting down that? No mods locking that down as “yet another election thread?”

    The thread should be allowed to remain open with off topic posts deleted. It’s not often you can springboard a discussion of police without it being tied to a single altercation with some victim (george Floyd, Rayshard Brooks, etc). Instead the rabble took over and decided no, this was the US thread, of all the US threads that broke the camels back and frankly no that’s crap, the decision to lock this doesn’t pass the smell test.


  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's particularly off when there are so many threads in the forum that are racists soapboxing that most wouldn't touch with a barge pole at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I really think you’re both missing the “big picture” here. Yes, there are clearly racially motivated threads going on. And, yes, these threads are packed to the gills with racists, bigots, nutjobs and xenophobes all spouting their hate-filled nonsense.

    Same way there are misogynist and transphobic threads in there full of creeps, vicious oddballs, general malcontents and vile weirdos.

    And the forum is the best place for them. I actually salute anyone who ventures in there and “tackles” these topics, and posters, as anyone who does is, vastly, outnumbered and rounded upon. But any time one does it gives the loons a real “impetus” to continue and keeps them occupied so they stay in their sty.

    If things are changed it will be a disaster for the other, normal, forums. So, please, let’s just leave it as is and let the mods do the job they have to do in there.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I really think you’re both missing the “big picture” here. Yes, there are clearly racially motivated threads going on. And, yes, these threads are packed to the gills with racists, bigots, nutjobs and xenophobes all spouting their hate-filled nonsense.

    Same way there are misogynist and transphobic threads in there full of creeps, vicious oddballs, general malcontents and vile weirdos.

    The posters in your first paragraph are usually the same ones in the second paragraph.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭BarnardsLoop


    I honestly don't understand how it hasn't got to the point where something has been done about it. It's not even a case of a few posts here or there lost amongst the ocean of new posts constantly appearing in the forum, you can open most threads on the first page and find examples.

    Look, anyone can see from my post history that I don't try to hide my opinions on it. But that's only because I left the site years ago when AH was looking like it was going in the direction CA firmly occupies, now. I've reported people but I don't want to fall afoul of abuse of the reporting system because if I was to report all the examples I'd be trying to fight back the tide with my bare hands.

    And that's part of the problem: often it isn't just one post, it's a body of them, built up over time that exposes a person's views and once you've seen how racists try to couch their views (as I, sadly, have during my time on Reddit), it's much easier to see them here.

    To say nothing of the fact that it really isn't just racism. Homophobia, transphobia, you name it, you can find it there. Doesn't the allowance of things like that on a site that maintains an active LGBT forum kind of... sit at odds with each other? How many people are missing from discussions in the forum because it's so hostile to anyone that deviates from the very narrow norm accepted by so many regulars of it?

    There's a place for robust debate and the candid sharing of opinions and I'm not arguing CA shouldn't be a place for that. But I also don't think people should be able to get away with race-baiting in the name of being overly lenient as regards free discussion.

    Emmet, I get your point, really I do but to give an example from Reddit: there were communities like "coontown" and "chimpout" (itself part of a network of communities called "the chimpire") devoted to the worst, most overt kind of racism you can imagine. When they were banned... the racists didn't disperse out onto the rest of the site. Some did, of course, that's unavoidable, but most just left the site or stopped posting those things.

    It's saddening because I've used Boards for so long and it's a shame to see it turned into this. Is there really nothing that can be done?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,805 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I dont envy the mods anyway, its really hard to control when there are so many of them. The events of the last few weeks have really brought some knuckledraggers onto Boards, some of them would be more suited to Stormfront instead of spreading their bile here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    I really think you’re both missing the “big picture” here. Yes, there are clearly racially motivated threads going on. And, yes, these threads are packed to the gills with racists, bigots, nutjobs and xenophobes all spouting their hate-filled nonsense.

    Same way there are misogynist and transphobic threads in there full of creeps, vicious oddballs, general malcontents and vile weirdos.

    And the forum is the best place for them. I actually salute anyone who ventures in there and “tackles” these topics, and posters, as anyone who does is, vastly, outnumbered and rounded upon. But any time one does it gives the loons a real “impetus” to continue and keeps them occupied so they stay in their sty.

    If things are changed it will be a disaster for the other, normal, forums. So, please, let’s just leave it as is and let the mods do the job they have to do in there.

    Its not just staying there though, E. Check out this AH thread which could be about anything really, only takes a few posts to get around to people shoehorning their beliefs in, no matter the actual topic.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058090626


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Its not just staying there though, E. Check out this AH thread which could be about anything really, only takes a few posts to get around to people shoehorning their beliefs in, no matter the actual topic.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058090626

    Yeah, there’s a few hanging around alright. Like a bad smell, D. I put that down to some “taking root” when threads aren’t moved over to CA fast enough.

    And it does seem that the “free rein” over in CA has led to a tightening in AH. Fun appears to be curtailed or shipped off to far flung corners of the site where certain people have, shall we say, “vested interests”.

    I do take on board what has been said. Leaving the CA forum “unchecked” isn’t solving anything and, given the Reddit examples, shouldn’t be condoned but, for now, I can’t see any alternative.

    Ban everyone who has an “unsavoury” opinion on certain things? Site would be pretty empty if that’s the case. But it’s for the mods and admins to decide on what to do.

    If they see it a “necessary” evil that’s protecting the rest of the site then so be it. At least we can be certain that they are monitoring the forum so they’ll be able to spot if that system isn’t suitable anymore.

    And that’s all I have to say about that.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Gruffalox wrote: »
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    You need to have been on the site for 3 months and have a minimum postcount of 100 to post in Feedback


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    It really is time for a racist/xenophobe sub forum where topics involving "dem foreigners" and "dem blacks" can be discussed in terms that they are comfortable with. While greatly reducing the white noise of hate on the rest of boards.

    It would also be a good self reveal ;) Let's see how many of the usual gang of suspects would actually be ready to declare what they are?


  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i dunno

    theres a lot of middle ground that is readily lumped in to an extreme view as soon as is possible

    which yknow sorta defeats the purpose of a discussion board.

    life and conversation arent two tests of orthodoxy whereby as soon as the impurity bell the righteous participant holds in their head rings the lowdown participant is on the scrapheap

    although imo its clear from a lot of social media discourse, and tbh the tone of the puritan types in these threads, thats the level of quick check some are in favour of

    its bad faith stuff on all sides and i see very few posters- even on the "good" side- with a genuine desire to engage or discuss as opposed to lecture, shut down and demonise

    and as for the complaints/suggestions that posters are allowed post anything, id say if you went into the glasgow thread and posted "glasgow is a city in scotland" theyd be halfway towards a yellow card.

    is that the level of control over opinion. ye want?

    seems a lot of being righteous is rigid control over what gets to be said

    it strikes me as a very strange definition is all


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Overheal wrote: »
    This being locked makes no sense

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058090358/1

    .

    It made perfect sense to close it. It was about racist cops in a different country, and racist cops exist in every country. At the moment this site is basically becoming an adjunct of the US culture wars. This does matter when it influences policy over here, or Europe, so the George Floyd affair eventually became world important, but not every racist statement about black people in a country 6000 miles away is all that important over here.

    You are from America, if I am correct, so could you not post on a US site?

    Which is why I second the idea proposed on that thread that we create a sub forum for US current affairs. Topics would include the banning of US sitcoms, or problematic statues being taken down in San Francisco, or the campaign against confederate statues, or that US comedian who was banned, or the US journalist who was fired, or the apology from that US TV host, or the last blackface incident in the US, or whatever. There will be plenty of threads.

    ( Some of these could also be in Television forums or whatnot but there is less traffic there and more sanity).

    Only when the US culture wars seep out into influencing Ireland, the UK, or Europe should we elevate these topics out of the US subforum. The banning of confederate flags in Nascar goes into the sub forum, the banning of the cork GAA use of the confederate flag goes into the top level forum.

    This would curtail most of the right wingers into that forum, and the Americanised left who wish to talk about racism in the US, and not much else.

    This seems to have worked with American politics in the electoral, rather than the general sense, as the threads on the US elections are confined in Politics for instance, to their own sub forum.

    EDIT:

    Actually I am wrong, the subforum seems to be dead but the US posts are marked with a [US] in politics, that might help people stay away from them. I know I stay away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭BarnardsLoop


    So that's it, eh? How many people have brought to attention that CA is slipping into an alt-right cesspit? And still nothing's done about it? Is Boards really that desperate to keep membership numbers up?

    What happened to this site? No, really, what the hell happened? You allow fake news, conspiracy theories, every vile insinuation about certain ethnic groups (I'm sure I don't need to say which) to go by without so much as a warning. Give it another ten years and I damn well guarantee you, Boards is going to be in the news and not for any reason you might want it to be.

    This is your site. If this is the way you want to run it, fine. Just at least have the decency to come out and say it. At least now I have enough posts to say this in Feedback. I'm out. When some knuckledragger torches a building again and it's found out they were radicalised here, I don't want to be associated with the site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    So that's it, eh? How many people have brought to attention that CA is slipping into an alt-right cesspit? And still nothing's done about it? Is Boards really that desperate to keep membership numbers up?

    What happened to this site? No, really, what the hell happened? You allow fake news, conspiracy theories, every vile insinuation about certain ethnic groups (I'm sure I don't need to say which) to go by without so much as a warning. Give it another ten years and I damn well guarantee you, Boards is going to be in the news and not for any reason you might want it to be.

    This is your site. If this is the way you want to run it, fine. Just at least have the decency to come out and say it. At least now I have enough posts to say this in Feedback. I'm out. When some knuckledragger torches a building again and it's found out they were radicalised here, I don't want to be associated with the site.

    *Opened another account immediately


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    This is it wrote: »
    BarnardsHoop would've been a better random username

    Was saying the same thing to myself earlier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    *Opened another account immediately

    Pretty clear if you read some of his posts that he was a re-reg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    So that's it, eh? How many people have brought to attention that CA is slipping into an alt-right cesspit? And still nothing's done about it? Is Boards really that desperate to keep membership numbers up?

    What happened to this site? No, really, what the hell happened? You allow fake news, conspiracy theories, every vile insinuation about certain ethnic groups (I'm sure I don't need to say which) to go by without so much as a warning. Give it another ten years and I damn well guarantee you, Boards is going to be in the news and not for any reason you might want it to be.

    This is your site. If this is the way you want to run it, fine. Just at least have the decency to come out and say it. At least now I have enough posts to say this in Feedback. I'm out. When some knuckledragger torches a building again and it's found out they were radicalised here, I don't want to be associated with the site.

    Lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Better Than Christ


    So that's it, eh? How many people have brought to attention that CA is slipping into an alt-right cesspit? And still nothing's done about it? Is Boards really that desperate to keep membership numbers up?

    They won't even address the issue.

    I'd love if an admin could give an honest answer to the following:

    Are you happy that CA has become a racist cesspit? I mean, is it something that you're happy to stand over, or are you at least slightly ashamed?

    200.gif


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,589 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It really is time for a racist/xenophobe sub forum where topics involving "dem foreigners" and "dem blacks" can be discussed in terms that they are comfortable with. While greatly reducing the white noise of hate on the rest of boards.

    It would also be a good self reveal ;) Let's see how many of the usual gang of suspects would actually be ready to declare what they are?
    Its really gone even more of a cliff than usual. Could do with adding "Foreigners/Trigger Warning" to the sub title. Two threads about skin whitening and a is "fake tan racist" thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Its really gone even more of a cliff than usual. Could do with adding "Foreigners/Trigger Warning" to the sub title. Two threads about skin whitening and a is "fake tan racist" thread.

    But loreal are removing the word "whitening " from their products. Nobody made it up , its happening .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    This cancel culture is ridiculous. No one can seem to point to any racist posts. Just go on about there being an "undercurrent" of racism. It's silly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    This cancel culture is ridiculous. No one can seem to point to any racist posts. Just go on about there being an "undercurrent" of racism. It's silly.

    Mods and admins want to keep the wrong opinion folk, the racists, the far left crew, the communists and everyone else in one place together for the benefit of everyone else in the other forums and threads.

    I see no problem with that. It's a good idea.
    Closing it down or maybe even continuing to over mod one set of views is likely to cause all of these people to spread out into the other forums.
    They don't want that. I understand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,904 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mods and admins want to keep the wrong opinion folk, the racists, the far left crew, the communists and everyone else in one place together for the benefit of everyone else in the other forums and threads.

    I see no problem with that. It's a good idea.
    Closing it down or maybe even continuing to over mod one set of views is likely to cause all of these people to spread out into the other forums.
    They don't want that. I understand




    i would agree with this, and it's actually a great success.
    it's what the sight needed for years rather then the approach that would have been originally taken for which the culprits just re-regged anyway.


    at least they are now in one place and any racist and other views can be challenged, and from what i can see users are doing a decent job themselves.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    It wasn't what I had in mind when I proposed it & I hardly ever go there now but it could be useful of all the dross ends up in one place.

    But it's not just CA. Boards is becoming nastier day by day. Tolerance & understanding have been replaced with polarised opinion & aggression. The sad thing is there are increasingly few online places that aren't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Discodog wrote: »
    Tolerance & understanding have been replaced with polarised opinion & aggression. The sad thing is there are increasingly few online places that aren't.

    Why do you think this is happening?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Why do you think this is happening?

    Well this isn't the place to discuss it but it's a World wide trend. I think that Boards was seen as relatively immune from influencers, trolls etc compared to the big sites but now everywhere is a target.

    I seem to recall that the first weeks of CA had some relatively reasonable discussions but it's obviously a magnet now. We need sites where people can have intelligent, informative & empathetic discussion.

    Boards only works for me when in the specialist fora where one can ask questions & get decent answers but even that is changing.


  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For an example, there's a genuinely interesting discussion around the issue of skin bleaching products. Instead we get outraged not so subtle type of racism outraged about the anti white agenda. There's posters that think white nationalists have a point and simply go on rants at every opportunity.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Better Than Christ


    This is it wrote: »
    What do you expect when you ask a loaded question?

    It's not a loaded question. It has become a racist cesspit. And the admins have allowed that to happen. I'd genuinely like to know whether they're happy or ashamed of what their inaction has led to.


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