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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1052
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Mike3287 wrote: »
    I know

    Can I not call her Maddie?

    Short version

    Give her the respect of calling her by her given name. ‘Maddie’ is a name coined by the tabloids, and not one she was ever called by her own parents or family and friends.


  • #1053
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    callmehal wrote: »
    Are you not sickened by the video? They basically stated that their 3 year old daughter crying meant nothing to them.

    My 6 year old came in and told me she seen a pony in her bedroom one night

    Am I supposed to sit waiting all night to see if it returns?


  • #1054
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    My 6 year old came in and told me she seen a pony in her bedroom one night

    Am I supposed to sit waiting all night to see if it returns?

    My elephant has 3 eyes.


  • #1055
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Are you not sickened by the video? They basically stated that their 3 year old daughter crying meant nothing to them.

    Where did they state that it meant nothing to them? I must have missed that bit?
    It seems like you’re projecting your own feelings onto what they said because they didn’t say one thing about not caring or that it meant nothing to them.


  • #1056
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No

    No one was asked you


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  • #1057
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    My 6 year old came in and told me she seen a pony in her bedroom one night

    Am I supposed to sit waiting all night to see if it returns?

    there is a huge diference between our dauhter seeing something that you know wasnt there and madeline asking her parents where were they when she was crying


  • #1058
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike3287 wrote: »
    No one was asked you

    :-)


  • #1059
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    My 6 year old came in and told me she seen a pony in her bedroom one night

    Am I supposed to sit waiting all night to see if it returns?

    The amount of cans you drink

    I'm not surprised you heard that


  • #1060
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Where did they state that it meant nothing to them? I must have missed that bit?
    It seems like you’re projecting your own feelings onto what they said because they didn’t say one thing about not caring or that it meant nothing to them.

    Did you watch the video? They said their daughter asked them why they weren't there for them when they were crying. The McCanns decided to leave them all alone again the night after being told this. The McCanns also sais that they would never have thought of it again only that she disappeared.

    That shows that it meant nothing to them. Their own words and actions. How could you leave you children all alone like that in the first place is shocking, to do so a few hours after your 3 year old makes a comment like that is despicable.


  • #1061
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Give her the respect of calling her by her given name. ‘Maddie’ is a name coined by the tabloids, and not one she was ever called by her own parents or family and friends.

    Apologies

    Thought her parents called her Maddie, didn't know it was the press

    Won't use again


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  • #1062
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    callmehal wrote: »
    Did you watch the video? They said their daughter asked them why they weren't there for them when they were crying. The McCanns decided to leave them all alone again the night after being told this. The McCanns also sais that they would never have thought of it again only that she disappeared.

    That shows that it meant nothing to them. Their own words and actions. How could you leave you children all alone like that in the first place is shocking, to do so a few hours after your 3 year old makes a comment like that is despicable.

    Exactly

    Actions speak louder than words

    Gerry defending it was even worse

    Kids cry all the time, all parents know that, blah blah


  • #1063
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,205 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not the first time the British press coined their own name for a child. They did the same thing with James Bulger. It's a relatively minor thing, I suppose, but it rubs me the wrong way because it's indicative of the press giving their own narrative rather than letting the loved ones really do the talking.


  • #1064
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Did you watch the video? They said their daughter asked them why they weren't there for them when they were crying. The McCanns decided to leave them all alone again the night after being told this. The McCanns also sais that they would never have thought of it again only that she disappeared.

    That shows that it meant nothing to them. Their own words and actions. How could you leave you children all alone like that in the first place is shocking, to do so a few hours after your 3 year old makes a comment like that is despicable.

    No, that’s what you’re inferring from what they said. They also said with the benefit of hindsight they’d have made completely different choices and that Madeleine didn’t seem upset by it when she mentioned it, and that she dropped the issue very quickly.

    I didn’t hear them say anything about Madeleine not mattering or that they didn’t care about her at all.


  • #1065
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    callmehal wrote: »
    Wow. That their 3 year old daughter made a comment to them like that but it meant nothing to them. They never would have thought of it again they said. How could that not be affected by not being there for their child. The next night they did the exact same thing and left them while they were doing important stuff, eating and drinking with their pals.

    If we had of thought for a second then they said what she says was odd. So that’s a second that it’s odd. For the sake of one night stay with the kids after she was upset the night before, parenting 101. They drive home to word abducted near the end, like a well oiled machine she is speaking boom Gerry sticks his spoke in and nearly exact same happens shortly after for the next question. From the first ever time to each time I watch them it sticks with me that something isn’t right with them. Can’t shake it.


  • #1066
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, that’s what you’re inferring from what they said. They also said with the benefit of hindsight they’d have made completely different choices and that Madeleine didn’t seem upset by it when she mentioned it, and that she dropped the issue very quickly.

    I didn’t hear them say anything about Madeleine not mattering or that they didn’t care about her at all.

    A 3 year old dropping an issue very quickly when they were upset and crying is very rare and I believe it’s their story’s way of dropping any questioning on the subject.


  • #1067
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    A 3 year old dropping an issue very quickly when they were upset and crying is very rare and I believe it’s their story’s way of dropping any questioning on the subject.

    She wasn’t upset or crying when she told them, she just dropped it into casual conversation and then moved on reasonably quickly.
    This would be typical behaviour of children that age in my experience, they have very short attention spans and move onto a new subject every 2 minutes if you let them.

    Perhaps because she dropped the issue so quick, they might have assumed she dreamt it or that she was just restless as she was falling asleep, it wouldn’t be out of character for a 3 yr old to do something like that.
    It was only after she disappeared that they realised it may have been a sign of something more sinister.

    This makes them stupid but it doesn’t mean they don’t give a sh*t about their kids. If they didn’t care about her they wouldn’t have spent the last 13 years trying to keep the case in the public domain so she isn’t forgotten about.


  • #1068
    Chicoso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Chicoso


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Jim Gamble seems about the best on it but I don’t think you mean him. Is there an Andy something?

    john o'connor flying squad

    always wondered if he was right

    He was adamant the parents weren't involved


  • #1069
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike3287 wrote: »
    Apologies

    Thought her parents called her Maddie, didn't know it was the press

    Won't use again


    Shows you have an incredible insight into the tragedy so, if you didn't even know the name of the child


  • #1070
    Dontfadeaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Dontfadeaway


    A bit off topic but it's about blaming the parents.

    I always doubted the McCann's but I remember following another abduction case (Isabel Celis) and only realised it has been solved. She was abducted from her bedroom. The screen on her window was taken off and she was taken during the night. I remember a lot of people thinking it was her dad who did it because of the 911 call and the way he was acting. The parents were treated really bad. Turns out it was a guy who came to their house to look at a car they had for sale. It's worth reading up about the case.


  • #1071
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Shows you have an incredible insight into the tragedy so, if you didn't even know the name of the child

    One has to wonder


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  • #1072
    WAW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭WAW


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    My 6 year old came in and told me she seen a pony in her bedroom one night

    Am I supposed to sit waiting all night to see if it returns?


    Key difference is you were there to hear your daughter tell you she'd seen a pony and to reassure her. The McCanns were not. I am not much into the case and feel sympathy for their loss but no parent could deny that their behaviour and that of their friends leaving tots alone is shocking. I know different strokes for different folks but I don't know anyone who would even consider such a thing, especially in a strange place. Totally bizarre and yes, it is neglect if the letter of the law were applied. We all have our theories and to what happened but it really does appear their movements were being watched if only for burglary.


    Also big development gap in 2 year olds, 3.5 year old and 6 year olds. Any parent of small children would know that. I hope for Madeleine's sake and that of her parents and siblings that the mystery is solved. God love them all. How could one ever get over that.


  • #1073
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    I think there was a paedo ring in the Algarve and they took her

    Too many strange characters in this story

    Wouldnt surprise me if Portuguese police or politicians are involved


  • #1074
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Does anyone else find the two running threads very annoying ? I can never remember which one I posted in !


  • #1075
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, that’s what you’re inferring from what they said. They also said with the benefit of hindsight they’d have made completely different choices and that Madeleine didn’t seem upset by it when she mentioned it, and that she dropped the issue very quickly.

    I didn’t hear them say anything about Madeleine not mattering or that they didn’t care about her at all.

    To be frank, it looks like you're the one inferring!

    They said Madeleine asked them why they weren't there when they were crying the night before. That very night they left them alone again to go drinking and eating. They said they would not have thought of what Madeleine said again if she had not gone missing.

    These are all facts. I can't believe anyone is not sickened by that behaviour. I don't know anyone who would leave their child on their own while going out socialising in the first place but doing the same after their child told them something like that?


  • #1076
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    She wasn’t upset or crying when she told them, she just dropped it into casual conversation and then moved on reasonably quickly.
    This would be typical behaviour of children that age in my experience, they have very short attention spans and move onto a new subject every 2 minutes if you let them.

    Perhaps because she dropped the issue so quick, they might have assumed she dreamt it or that she was just restless as she was falling asleep, it wouldn’t be out of character for a 3 yr old to do something like that.
    It was only after she disappeared that they realised it may have been a sign of something more sinister.

    This makes them stupid but it doesn’t mean they don’t give a sh*t about their kids. If they didn’t care about her they wouldn’t have spent the last 13 years trying to keep the case in the public domain so she isn’t forgotten about.

    Well if they cared enough they wouldn't have left them alone while partying especially after their 3 year old told them they weren't there for them when they were crying the night before. Whoever was responsible for her going missing is a separate matter. This behavious from the McCanns and the others at their table was appalling to say the least.


  • #1077
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    To be frank, it looks like you're the one inferring!

    They said Madeleine asked them why they weren't there when they were crying the night before. That very night they left them alone again to go drinking and eating. They said they would not have thought of what Madeleine said again if she had not gone missing.

    These are all facts. I can't believe anyone is not sickened by that behaviour. I don't know anyone who would leave their child on their own while going out socialising in the first place but doing the same after their child told them something like that?

    Yes, exactly, at no point did they say that she didn’t matter or that they didn’t care about her. That’s a fact.

    I don’t know how anyone could leave their children after that either but they obviously mistakenly felt it was safe to do so, and they are now paying the ultimate price for their stupidity and their lives are ruined.


  • #1078
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Well if they cared enough they wouldn't have left them alone while partying especially after their 3 year old told them they weren't there for them when they were crying the night before. Whoever was responsible for her going missing is a separate matter. This behavious from the McCanns and the others at their table was appalling to say the least.

    Yeah it’s pretty much universally agreed that the McCanns shouldn’t have left the children unsupervised, I don’t see why we need to constantly rehash this every 2 pages as if it’s a brand new, fresh conclusion.
    They shouldn’t have left the kids. We know.

    That doesn’t make them murderers and it doesn’t mean they didn’t love their kids, it just means they’re stupid and reckless and have piss poor skills when it comes to risk assessment.


  • #1079
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    callmehal wrote: »
    To be frank, it looks like you're the one inferring!

    They said Madeleine asked them why they weren't there when they were crying the night before. That very night they left them alone again to go drinking and eating. They said they would not have thought of what Madeleine said again if she had not gone missing.

    These are all facts. I can't believe anyone is not sickened by that behaviour. I don't know anyone who would leave their child on their own while going out socialising in the first place but doing the same after their child told them something like that?

    I'm sickened by paedophiles who abduct children and rape old women and I'm sickened by the system that allows these predators out to walk the streets.

    The McCanns behaviour, although not acceptable, is not "sickening" to me. I would not condense their entire three, almost four years of parenting Madeline down to one 5 night holiday in which their parenting was needlessly lax.

    In Hindsight, they should never have taken that risk, but it happened. It cannot be undone unfortunately. Crucifying them over and over will not undo this terrible thing.

    People now need to focus their anger more toward whatever subhuman stole a child from her family and refuses to give them any answers, any closure or a final resting place they can visit and say prayers over. That's the person I find really sickening in all of this.


  • #1080
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yes, exactly, at no point did they say that she didn’t matter or that they didn’t care about her. That’s a fact.

    I don’t know how anyone could leave their children after that either but they obviously mistakenly felt it was safe to do so, and they are now paying the ultimate price for their stupidity and their lives are ruined.

    Their 3 year old daughter asked them why they weren't there when they were crying the night before, they decided to go out drinking and eating and left them on their own again that very night. That's a fact and it's indefensible. It's not caring behaviour to say the least.

    No matter what happned afterwards, it was disgusting behaviour. And no matter who took Madeleine, they have to bear some responsibility.


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  • #1081
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yeah it’s pretty much universally agreed that the McCanns shouldn’t have left the children unsupervised, I don’t see why we need to constantly rehash this every 2 pages as if it’s a brand new, fresh conclusion.
    They shouldn’t have left the kids. We know.

    That doesn’t make them murderers and it doesn’t mean they didn’t love their kids, it just means they’re stupid and reckless and have piss poor skills when it comes to risk assessment.

    It wouldn't get repeated so often if their behaviour wasn't defended so often!


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