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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The babysitting service consisted of an employee walking around every 30 minutes or so checking on the kids. Pretty much what they were doing themselves.


    That's complete and utter bulls##t.
    Have you concrete proof of that.?

    Definitely does'nt happen for 3 children under 4 years of age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    .... tumbleweed

    The opposite

    They've defended the stupidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    washman3 wrote: »
    That's complete and utter bulls##t.
    Have you concrete proof of that.?

    Definitely does'nt happen for 3 children under 4 years of age.

    Splinter doesn't require proof.

    He requires everyone else to have it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    briany wrote: »
    Parents will generally check in on infant children. I don't think it's a tacit admission of guilt to pop your head in on them every so many minutes as it is a desire to monitor their wellbeing while also living a life that doesn't consist of literally being by their side 24 hours a day, never sleeping, which would obviously be unlivable.

    I'd go out on a limb and say the vast majority of parents manage to bring up their children without leaving them alone in a foreign country in an unlocked apartment while they head out wining and dining. Just a hunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    callmehal wrote: »
    Did the McCanns ever admit they were wrong to leave their kids alone in unsecured accommodation while they were off eating and drinking?

    Yes, Gerry has said they've been "proved wrong" re leaving the kids alone and thinking they'd be fine and Kate's said that they both "bitterly regret" doing so and will 'til the end of their days.

    Hopefully they are onto something with this German guy. His past sure seems messed up to say the least and his behavior in the days surrounding Madeleine's disappearance sure seems suspicious. The phone call, registering his car in someone else's name the next day etc. Only released from prison 5 months before her disappearance too.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Yes, Gerry has said they've been "proved wrong" re leaving the kids alone and thinking they'd be fine and Kate's said that they both "bitterly regret" doing so and will 'til the end of their days.

    Hopefully they are onto something with this German guy. His past sure seems messed up to say the least and his behavior in the days surrounding Madeleine's disappearance sure seems suspicious. The phone call, registering his car in someone else's name the next day etc. Only released from prison 5 months before her disappearance too.

    The phone call has me most curious. Police must suspect the person on the other end of that line, which was shortly before the abduction and lasted 30 minutes.

    Doesn't this imply a conspiracy and not a simple opportunist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    2u2me wrote: »
    The phone call has me most curious. Police must suspect the person on the other end of that line, which was shortly before the abduction and lasted 30 minutes.

    Doesn't this imply a conspiracy and not a simple opportunist?

    Pedos seem to operate in gangs alright


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Yes, Gerry has said they've been "proved wrong" re leaving the kids alone and thinking they'd be fine and Kate's said that they both "bitterly regret" doing so and will 'til the end of their days.

    Hopefully they are onto something with this German guy. His past sure seems messed up to say the least and his behavior in the days surrounding Madeleine's disappearance sure seems suspicious. The phone call, registering his car in someone else's name the next day etc. Only released from prison 5 months before her disappearance too.

    The fact that different police forces agree is a big move for me, fits the profile if she was abducted. Undetected castaway in his hippie van and changing the name on his Jag the day after raises all the questions. I would love to know how this guy wasn’t thought about at the start or if he was why take 13 years to have him brought up. He’s on the radar the last three years, he’s lack of address would be a good factor to evade police as he would of been busy hiding the child. What do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    2u2me wrote: »
    The phone call has me most curious. Police must suspect the person on the other end of that line, which was shortly before the abduction and lasted 30 minutes.

    Doesn't this imply a conspiracy and not a simple opportunist?

    I would like to know is there any matching records with anybody dining in the restaurant Gerry Kate or any of the others. Surely that has to be worth investigating. I’m sure the other person would of had number untraceable number wise but area wise location wise they could track.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,162 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I would like to know is there any matching records with anybody dining in the restaurant Gerry Kate or any of the others. Surely that has to be worth investigating. I’m sure the other person would of had number untraceable number wise but area wise location wise they could track.

    I’m sure it will be investigated


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    I’m sure it will be investigated

    You would hope so. All the memories of that case are flooding back now so I’m very interested to sees conclusion. Wouldn’t 2020 be even crazier if we had the Maddie case solved? Mind blowing year would be an understatement. This German guy surely wouldn’t of acted alone either with reporters of two men being suspicious around the apartments days before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Just goes to show you the Germans don’t muck about when they go for someone, not faffing about, the details they’ve given are way more then other forces have made. Suspect talked about the disappearance with someone in a bar about Maddie, the abduction of her and how he disposed of her body. The Germans are frank in their assessment, The British don’t reveal any details but I think The Germans are right as all the details may jog tourists memories. This guy was ruled out by Amaral The Portuguese but they were given hundreds of names a few years back and that guy was on it again. He gave information that night to the witness of another crime that later on he was convicted for and his serving that sentence atm. This feels like a real breakthrough. The two guys seen in the days before seem to be connected and possibly part of that call that was made.
    Now this guy could be leading the police on a wild goose chase.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Just goes to show you the Germans don’t muck about when they go for someone, not faffing about, the details they’ve given are way more then other forces have made. Suspect talked about the disappearance with someone in a bar about Maddie, the abduction of her and how he disposed of her body. The Germans are frank in their assessment, The British don’t reveal any details but I think The Germans are right as all the details may jog tourists memories. This guy was ruled out by Amaral The Portuguese but they were given hundreds of names a few years back and that guy was on it again. He gave information that night to the witness of another crime that later on he was convicted for and his serving that sentence atm. This feels like a real breakthrough. The two guys seen in the days before seem to be connected and possibly part of that call that was made.
    Now this guy could be leading the police on a wild goose chase.


    Lets not fool ourselvers. The portugese police couldnt wipe their own bottoms. If you ever want to see how to make a mess of a case just look at this one.


  • Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Why should they? What difference would it make besides giving people on the internet even more ammo against them. I'm pretty sure they know full well if they hadnt left their kids alone then their daughter wouldn't have been taken. I'd imagine its a hard truth they have to live with for the rest of their lives. I know I'd be thinking about it and blaming myself every single day. What more do you want?

    It was just a question!

    Let's see what comes out of this latest investigation. I wonder how much evidence they have on the German. If they find any evidence using dogs in his vehicles, unfortunately, that can't be believed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    It was just a question!

    Let's see what comes out of this latest investigation. I wonder how much evidence they have on the German. If they find any evidence using dogs in his vehicles, unfortunately, that can't be believed.

    Based on

    "The official added that the investigation linking Christian B to the Madeleine McCann case was now reliant on the help of the public to find clear evidence."

    Very little. We're at that point for every other potential suspect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    I don't know what the threshold of proof for conviction is in Spain or Germany, but imagine that here.

    No body, no witnesses, nothing bar a suspicious change of car ownership, being resident in the general area of the crime, and....a 30 minute phone call?!?

    I'm not even sure the Gardai would do a file for the DPP here on that series of coincidences (and it's being generous even calling them that) let alone have it go to trial.

    As much of a bastard that this man clearly is, anybody who has researched the case would find it hard to argue that there is more evidence pointing to this man's involvement than there is pointing to the McCanns being involved. Seems the establishment may have struck gold when they realised a man who lived near Praia De Luz was suspected of a murder in Germany and could connect the cases.

    Make no mistake, somebody very close to the McCanns had good contacts in the Blair government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    It's bizzare with the few things people are almost creaming themselves.

    Yet ignore the endless line of BS with the McCanns and find excuses to explain the most of bizzare behaviors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    It has been many years since I took an active interest in this tragic case.

    I believed at the time, and am still pretty certain, that Madeleine was abducted. One thing that always puzzled me, though, was why Madeleine did not scream and cry out when being taken? She hardly remained asleep.

    Is the implication that she was somehow drugged by her abductor to ensure she remained unconscious? There were scurrilous rumours that the McCann's were administering sedatives to the children, but even in the highly-unlikely event this were true, how would an abductor be aware of this?

    I always found that part the hardest part to reconcile with the abductor theory. Entering the apartment, administering a dose of a sedative, and waiting to be sure Madeleine is "under" always seemed like an almost impossibly risky strategy to me.

    As I said, it's been years since I read up on case, so maybe I have missed some details/revelations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    limnam wrote: »
    Based on

    "The official added that the investigation linking Christian B to the Madeleine McCann case was now reliant on the help of the public to find clear evidence."

    Very little. We're at that point for every other potential suspect.

    Well it seems very different here, changing number plates the day after, he’s calls have been traced to being close to the scene of the “crime” boasting details of the abduction & disposal of the body which a lot of these sickos would “brag” about in the right company but significant is that another case he boasted about he ended up being found guilty for so that gives this suspect credible form plus he’s burgled man houses, since he was 18 n moved to Portugal he’s been at all sorrid things. His hobo lifestyle change with that van, it’s a perfect fit plus a huge bonus if he’s not out to be able to commit these crimes again. This is as good as it’s ever gotten. Jim Gamble is very hopeful and he explains it well. Here’s the link
    https://youtu.be/CeOI1HrbnmQ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    It has been many years since I took an active interest in this tragic case.

    I believed at the time, and am still pretty certain, that Madeleine was abducted. One thing that always puzzled me, though, was why Madeleine did not scream and cry out when being taken? She hardly remained asleep.

    Is the implication that she was somehow drugged by her abductor to ensure she remained unconscious? There were scurrilous rumours that the McCann's were administering sedatives to the children, but even in the highly-unlikely event this were true, how would an abductor be aware of this?

    I always found that part the hardest part to reconcile with the abductor theory. Entering the apartment, administering a dose of a sedative, and waiting to be sure Madeleine is "under" always seemed like an almost impossibly risky strategy to me.

    As I said, it's been years since I read up on case, so maybe I have missed some details/revelations.

    Could be simply he got lucky that the child was sedated and she didn’t scream. He could of walked away easily without any notice cause the child wasn’t actively struggling out of his arms. That seems to make the most sense logical thinking of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal



    Make no mistake, somebody very close to the McCanns had good contacts in the Blair government.

    Now I don't have an atlas or anything, but I'm assuming you have proof of this claim, rather than it just being some conspiracy fantasy you've imagined?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Could be simply he got lucky that the child was sedated and she didn’t scream. He could of walked away easily without any notice cause the child wasn’t actively struggling out of his arms. That seems to make the most sense logical thinking of course.

    Or a hand held over a mouth, or a gag.

    It's not hard for a grown man to overpower a small child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Christian B has been previously investigated for another missing child now a 5 year old & now that case has been reopened, could be a serial child abductor and murderer. This is only getting darker, it’s so so sad. https://youtu.be/3prCCJIhIKA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Well it seems very different here, changing number plates the day after, he’s calls have been traced to being close to the scene of the “crime” boasting details of the abduction & disposal of the body which a lot of these sickos would “brag” about in the right company but significant is that another case he boasted about he ended up being found guilty for so that gives this suspect credible form plus he’s burgled man houses, since he was 18 n moved to Portugal he’s been at all sorrid things. His hobo lifestyle change with that van, it’s a perfect fit plus a huge bonus if he’s not out to be able to commit these crimes again. This is as good as it’s ever gotten. Jim Gamble is very hopeful and he explains it well. Here’s the link
    https://youtu.be/CeOI1HrbnmQ

    As I said. The point we're at here. Is no clear evidence he was involved in _this_ crime. I find it odd that the "Pro McCann" brigade can find answers for the weirdest of behaviors. Blow off the dogs etc. Yet cling on to the oddest of things like someone changing registration of a car.

    It's like an illness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    Could be simply he got lucky that the child was sedated and she didn’t scream. He could of walked away easily without any notice cause the child wasn’t actively struggling out of his arms. That seems to make the most sense logical thinking of course.

    But that is presuming a) her parents sedated her and b) the abductor hits the luckpot by abducting probably the only 4 year old in Portugal who was sedated unconscious at 9pm. That's not logical thinking IMO but, of course, crazier coincidences have occured and I wouldn't rule anything out.

    I remember at the time thinking that Maddie must have known her abductor, perhaps a worker from the creche who took her outside and offloaded her or kept going. I'm sure that avenue has been ruled out long ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Or a hand held over a mouth, or a gag.

    It's not hard for a grown man to overpower a small child.

    Or a grown woman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    limnam wrote: »
    As I said. The point we're at here. Is no clear evidence he was involved in _this_ crime. I find it odd that the "Pro McCann" brigade can find answers for the weirdest of behaviors. Blow off the dogs etc. Yet cling on to the oddest of things like someone changing registration of a car.

    It's like an illness.

    Absolutely, I’m somewhere in between but I want the girl found and whoever is involved arrested and put into jail forever. If The Germans are telling us this much you can only imagine the info they aren’t given so they are hoping someone turns up evidence that matches what they have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    limnam wrote: »
    Or a grown woman.

    Or two people.

    If she was abducted and not sedated, one person in the room passing her out the window to another always seemed the "safest" way for her abduction to occur IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    But that is presuming a) her parents sedated her and b) the abductor hits the luckpot by abducting probably the only 4 year old in Portugal who was sedated unconscious at 9pm. That's not logical thinking IMO but, of course, crazier coincidences have occured and I wouldn't rule anything out.

    I remember at the time thinking that Maddie must have known her abductor, perhaps a worker from the creche who took her outside and offloaded her or kept going. I'm sure that avenue has been ruled out long ago.

    Yes yes plus you think it wasn’t strange to investigate the parents firstly cause in allot of cases it’s the people closest that can be the guilty ones. I think concentrating just on the parents for so long was a mistake but their resources couldn’t stretch to anything more therefore they have missed a lot of early signs and evidence. This guy seems to be by far the most credible.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    In all the difference of opinions I always feel that Madeleine gets forgotten . The poor little pet was the real victim . I just hope that whatever happened it was quick and that it wasn’t a prolonged agony


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