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Labour party leader Alan Kelly

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    #32
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Kelly is a local "machine" politician and Lowry shares the county with him, so you know what you are getting. He is a cunning,intelligent individual,though, and cannot be discounted as merely a "local" talent, a word I use loosely. He has enough European experience to know how to operate on that level and having supped at the trough,will do anything to keep his seat.


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    #33
    Liamo57
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    Nail in the cofin for Labour. Not a nice person, **** personality, a gob****e know it all. No likeability factor. Thinks he is important. A cute hoor plays the gan
    me and claps everyones back and plys a ," sinc as a prostitutes kiss game".


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    #34
    tdf7187
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    Tv footage of this 'election' showed clear breaches of the social distancing guidelines. One rule for us, another for the so called leaders.


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    #35
    tdf7187
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    Liamo57 wrote: »
    Nail in the cofin for Labour. Not a nice person, **** personality, a gob****e know it all. No likeability factor. Thinks he is important. A cute hoor plays the gan
    me and claps everyones back and plys a ," sinc as a prostitutes kiss game".

    He is an immoral unprincipled scumbag and accordingly perfectly suited to be leader of the Irish anti-labour party. He'll probably end up minister for finance in a Blueshirt government.


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    #36
    tdf7187
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    I'm glad Kelly got it purely for the reason that he won't support FF/FG.

    Course he will. He has decided to hitch his anchor to the anti Zanu Fianna Gael wagon for the time being but he has no leftleaning credentials whatever. If anything he is to the right of most Zanu Fail politicians.


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    #37
    boombang
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    I know some of the detail about the CervicalCheck controversy. AK gets a lot of credit for his role in the aftermath. From what I see he was a blatant populist opportunist on that topic. I think he's going to be decisive for the party, but Labour seem to have been shooting themselves in the foot for quite some time now.


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    #38
    tdf7187
    Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    They didn't have much to chose from.

    Whatever about Alan Kelly himself, the general public see him as Toxic and a major part of the Labour who were in government. Then you have O'Riordan who is apart of the middle class left movement who hate the very people they traditionally represent.

    I have no idea what Kelly is trying to do but O'Riordan is trying to court a cohort that is loud but barely exists. Neither of them would be wooing white, straight, working class men. Of which there are a lot of.

    Indeed. The Irish Labour party is a party led by almost exclusively white Irish middle class males of a type who hate white Irish working class males. A very strange little cult masquerading as a political party. They probably have a few in the payroll in RTE but have no actual support among the general population except among the very deluded or very masochistic.


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    #39
    EndaHonesty
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    He is the worst kind of politician; an absolute narcissist who would say/do anything to further himself. (Phil Hogan is another) I would suggest he has sociopathic tendencies too.

    I think the proof of that is his "power is a drug.... it suits me" interview, the constant arrogant statements he made during his time as minister, and the celebration after he won his seat in 2016. These were literally his mask slipping.

    The way he has latched on the the cervical controversy is actually sickening, in particular his "friendship" with Vicky Phelan, which seems to have fooled so many people. Vicky most of all. It's such an obvious ploy to clean up his image. Disgusting.

    I just hope he is found out, and before he gets another chance in government, but I think he will be closely managed this time and I fear the mask won't slip again until he gets grip of some more power...


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    #40
    Manach
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    To represent the working class there should be a modicum of respect for said class. Irish Labour look to have borrow from the playbooks of US Democrats and British Labour by embracing progressive causes to the hilt - social and in terms of migration ( see Strange death of Europe by Murray). Unfortunately so have all the other mainstream parties as well as the host of socialist spring-ups. Hence they are, to borrow a capital term, chasing a diminishing share of the market. Given the changes in the world post Corana ( based on similar historic upheavals ) then Mr. Kelly would need some means to distingush himself err Labour slide into irrevelancy.


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    #41
    Augme
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    Manach wrote: »
    To represent the working class there should be a modicum of respect for said class. Irish Labour look to have borrow from the playbooks of US Democrats and British Labour by embracing progressive causes to the hilt - social and in terms of migration ( see Strange death of Europe by Murray). Unfortunately so have all the other mainstream parties as well as the host of socialist spring-ups. Hence they are, to borrow a capital term, chasing a diminishing share of the market. Given the changes in the world post Corana ( based on similar historic upheavals ) then Mr. Kelly would need some means to distingush himself err Labour slide into irrevelancy.

    Who are the working class now a days though? The society the labour party was formed in was hugely different to the society now a days. Working class through the years would have been factory workers, miners(England specifically with this one,) dockers.etc. obviously there links to trade unions would be huge but even now a days trade unions have become a lot less.popular among workers.

    They would be white males on low income. That then becomes the big question, how do you define working class?

    If working class is defined by wages then then a lot of low income workers in ireland would now be immigrants and students. Traditional white Irish/ males would now earn what would be middle class due to their wages but would have grown up in a much more traditional working class environment.

    Its a very difficult issue for labour to deal with and to try and capture votes from both groups of modern society. Sinn Fein have succeed, but that has strongly to do with the IRA/32 county appeal.

    Labour would have lost a huge amount of support from a lot of public sector/civil service workers in the past. I expect them to make a big push to court them in the future as I struggle to see where else they will get their votes.


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    #42
    Fann Linn
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    Augme wrote: »
    Who are the working class now a days though? The society the labour party was formed in was hugely different to the society now a days. Working class through the years would have been factory workers, miners(England specifically with this one,) dockers.etc. obviously there links to trade unions would be huge but even now a days trade unions have become a lot less.popular among workers.

    They would be white males on low income. That then becomes the big question, how do you define working class?

    If working class is defined by wages then then a lot of low income workers in ireland would now be immigrants and students. Traditional white Irish/ males would now earn what would be middle class due to their wages but would have grown up in a much more traditional working class environment.

    Its a very difficult issue for labour to deal with and to try and capture votes from both groups of modern society. Sinn Fein have succeed, but that has strongly to do with the IRA/32 county appeal.

    Labour would have lost a huge amount of support from a lot of public sector/civil service workers in the past. I expect them to make a big push to court them in the future as I struggle to see where else they will get their votes.

    I don't really think the SF support has come on the back of IRA United Ireland aspirations.
    I'm PS trade unionist myself. Up until 2011 when the LP went rogue they used to get the vote from me. The alternative is now FF/Fg or Indies hence SF got mine this time around.
    Furthermore a lot of younger folk voted SF due to housing, health care, child care issues and failures of FG to address same adequately.
    I'd hazard a guess that for a majority of people IRA/ 32 counties were low down the list and there are/were far more pressing issues.


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    #43
    Kivaro
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Tv footage of this 'election' showed clear breaches of the social distancing guidelines. One rule for us, another for the so called leaders.
    That's old footage.
    From before the arrival "of our little fiend".


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    #44
    jimmyrustle
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    Ronan|Raven wrote: »
    A fine mahoc to the new dear leader!

    Mahoc! Mahoc!


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    #45
    jimmyrustle
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    Seamai wrote: »
    the alternative of Ó Riordaín (far too "woke" for his own good),.

    A while back O'Riordan put up a Twitter post informing us that he had recused himself from a radio panel appearance because it was too gender imbalanced for his liking.:pac::pac::pac:

    Can anyone post back up the exact thing he posted?


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    #46
    oceanman
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    labour...a noting party that represents nobody. hopefully gone forever in a few years.


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    #47
    Calahonda52
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    EndaHonesty wrote: »
    He is the worst kind of politician; an absolute narcissist who would say/do anything to further himself. (Phil Hogan is another) I would suggest he has sociopathic tendencies too.

    I think the proof of that is his "power is a drug.... it suits me" interview, the constant arrogant statements he made during his time as minister, and the celebration after he won his seat in 2016. These were literally his mask slipping.

    The way he has latched on the the cervical controversy is actually sickening, in particular his "friendship" with Vicky Phelan, which seems to have fooled so many people. Vicky most of all. It's such an obvious ploy to clean up his image. Disgusting.

    I just hope he is found out, and before he gets another chance in government, but I think he will be closely managed this time and I fear the mask won't slip again until he gets grip of some more power...

    I happened to attend his last election launch in the Scouts hall in Nenagh.
    VP and IIRC a lady called Lorraine were there as cheerleaders.

    In his few words at the end, he NEVER used the word Labour or Party, it was all about family parish and county.
    The election banners, which were all trotskyite red, never mentioned Labour

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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    #48
    boombang
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    EndaHonesty wrote: »

    The way he has latched on the the cervical controversy is actually sickening, in particular his "friendship" with Vicky Phelan, which seems to have fooled so many people. Vicky most of all. It's such an obvious ploy to clean up his image. Disgusting.

    I'm glad that others can see what a sick charade this is.


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    #49
    Seth Brundle
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    As we emerge from the Covid health crisis and enter the Covid economic crisis we're going to need a party that can represent workers, and is willing to do that in government not just by soundbites from opposition.
    The majority of the electorate are workers. How will Lab manage to represent them all? I am a worker but I don’t believe that the party represents me.
    Or do you mean that they are simply linked to unions and the “socialism” they shout about?


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    #50
    Beechwoodspark
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    Good friend who is in Labour told me that

    Over the past few months AK has been on best behaviour

    Nothing is too much trouble and wants to work with everyone.

    Great plans for the future. Touring the country to revitileze the party.

    So, watch this space.


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    #51
    ChikiChiki
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Good friend who is in Labour told me that

    Over the past few months AK has been on best behaviour

    Nothing is too much trouble and wants to work with everyone.

    Great plans for the future. Touring the country to revitileze the party.

    So, watch this space.

    Some people are very gullible in that case.

    A leopard doesn't change its spots. The man is power hungry.


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    #52
    Beechwoodspark
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Some people are very gullible in that case.

    A leopard doesn't change its spots. The man is power hungry.

    Believe me there’s plenty in Labour who he hasn’t fooled but at this stage they’d give him a chance to see if he can improve their standing


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    #53
    SnazzyPig
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    i suppose Kevin Spacey was otherwise engaged....


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    #54
    L1011
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Tv footage of this 'election' showed clear breaches of the social distancing guidelines. One rule for us, another for the so called leaders.

    The count was done by one barrister in a locked room with video cameras on him. Nobody else.


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    #55
    Galwayguy35
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    Better than woke O Riordain getting it anyway.


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    #56
    jimmyrustle
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    A while back O'Riordan put up a Twitter post informing us that he had recused himself from a radio panel appearance because it was too gender imbalanced for his liking.:pac::pac::pac:

    Can anyone post back up the exact thing he posted?

    I found it myself.

    https://twitter.com/AodhanORiordain/status/1161676012071137280

    I dread to think what sort of interests a "man" like this has in his private life. An absolute weirdo.


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    #57
    Galwayguy35
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    I found it myself.

    https://twitter.com/AodhanORiordain/status/1161676012071137280

    I dread to think what sort of interests a "man" like this has in his private life. An absolute weirdo.

    Who votes for a plonker like him.


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    #58
    jimmyrustle
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Who votes for a plonker like him.

    Effeminate men with a lot of self hatred, I should think.


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    #59
    L1011
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    I found it myself.

    https://twitter.com/AodhanORiordain/status/1161676012071137280

    I dread to think what sort of interests a "man" like this has in his private life. An absolute weirdo.

    At no stage does he say he recused himself.

    He says he was disinvited as the broadcaster had decided to impose a gender balance.


    You may be reading things that aren't there due to your preconceptions.


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    #60
    SEPT 23 1989
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    They don't represent the people that the Labour Party was set up to protect

    The working class


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    #61
    Muahahaha
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    The Kelly family are very powerful, make no mistake.

    His brother Declan is a bit of a doyen of Irish America and has strong links to the Clintons- Hillary appointed him as economic envoy to Northern Ireland when she was US Secretary of State and Bill has been an adviser for his merchant bank and consulting company Teneo, as has Tony Blair. Brian o'Driscoll also a paid advisor of their sports division.

    He was ridiculed a few weeks back when a journalist photographed him fast asleep at the Superbowl and the photo went viral
    https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1224308358947069952


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