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    What fertiliser ?

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    • #62
      Grazon
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      I have a new piece of ground that was rented out the last 20 or more years and I'm sure it hasn't got lime in that time. I'm going to take soil samples but for now what would be the best to spread. If I was to spread 18 6 12 and gran lime can they be spread together.


    • #63
      Bass Reeves
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      Grazon wrote: »
      I have a new piece of ground that was rented out the last 20 or more years and I'm sure it hasn't got lime in that time. I'm going to take soil samples but for now what would be the best to spread. If I was to spread 18 6 12 and gran lime can they be spread together.

      Yes

      Slava Ukrainii



    • #64
      farmer2018
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      How much is gran lime at the moment? How soon can you spread it after spreading urea?


    • #65
      Hard Knocks
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      farmer2018 wrote: »
      How much is gran lime at the moment? How soon can you spread it after spreading urea?

      Think Granlime is €175/ton
      You can spread straight away
      It’s the ground lime that needs 3-6 months


    • #66
      farmer2018
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      Hard Knocks wrote: »
      Think Granlime is €175/ton
      You can spread straight away
      It’s the ground lime that needs 3-6 months

      How many bags to the acre?


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    • #67
      morphy87
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      Following this thread,just wondering does anyone use sulfur here and if so how much and did they see much improvement?


    • #68
      mengele
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      how long must you wait after spreading slurry before you could spread 18-6-12 for silage? Could I go out with the 18-6-12 2 or 3 days after the slurry?


    • #69
      Dunedin
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      mengele wrote: »
      how long must you wait after spreading slurry before you could spread 18-6-12 for silage? Could I go out with the 18-6-12 2 or 3 days after the slurry?

      One week.


    • #70
      Hard Knocks
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      farmer2018 wrote: »
      How many bags to the acre?

      1 bag Gran lime per year
      Spread in spring


    • #71
      Hard Knocks
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      Generally put out the meadow fertilizer first week in April and cut 6 weeks later
      This year we put out 1 bag urea/ac last week and will go with compound next with the aim to cut around 20th May
      Could I leave the compound until after Easter or should I spread it now?


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    • #72
      GrasstoMilk
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      Hard Knocks wrote: »
      1 bag Gran lime per year
      Spread in spring

      Depends on ph.
      I put 3 bags of gran lime out yearly on rented ground. If you want the ground to yield you need to feed it.


    • #73
      Hard Knocks
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      GrasstoMilk wrote: »
      Depends on ph.
      I put 3 bags of gran lime out yearly on rented ground. If you want the ground to yield you need to feed it.

      Didn’t realise
      Was told 1 bag /ac/yr and 2 at reseeding

      What PH is your ground?
      Is there a rule of thumb for PH and bags to use?


    • #74
      GrasstoMilk
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      Hard Knocks wrote: »
      Didn’t realise
      Was told 1 bag /ac/yr and 2 at reseeding

      What PH is your ground?
      Is there a rule of thumb for PH and bags to use?

      It was 5.5 2 years ago when I tested it. It yielded 550 bales from 20 acres across 3 cuts last year.
      I'd say 1 bag is to maintain ph. You'd need more if its sub optimal


    • #75
      Panch18
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      Isn't gran lime a hugely expensive way of putting lime out? Fine for a small paddock but for a larger area like 20 acres wouldn't you be better getting 20 ton in a couple of years running and get it spread?


    • #76
      Bass Reeves
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      Panch18 wrote: »
      Isn't gran lime a hugely expensive way of putting lime out? Fine for a small paddock but for a larger area like 20 acres wouldn't you be better getting 20 ton in a couple of years running and get it spread?

      Not really. Maybe if PH is very low but for maintenance granlime is quit efficient. As more and more reseach is showing that s huge amount of lime is lost to leeching especially the better finer particles.

      As well as granlime you have growmax which is a hydrated lime based granular lime but needs to be spread before lime. Granular limes are spread in spring so you should have no losses to leeching. Buying in large amounts they are more than likely costing 130-140/ton. Growmax is more expensive at about 170/ton but it is 70%stronger than granlime AFAIK

      Slava Ukrainii



    • #77
      Bass Reeves
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      GrasstoMilk wrote: »
      It was 5.5 2 years ago when I tested it. It yielded 550 bales from 20 acres across 3 cuts last year.
      I'd say 1 bag is to maintain ph. You'd need more if its sub optimal

      Did you ever try the growmax and have you tested the PH lately

      Slava Ukrainii



    • #78
      GrasstoMilk
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      Panch18 wrote: »
      Isn't gran lime a hugely expensive way of putting lime out? Fine for a small paddock but for a larger area like 20 acres wouldn't you be better getting 20 ton in a couple of years running and get it spread?

      Usually I would but its yearly rent and they'd happily drop me for a tillage guy if he offered more. Which could likely happen in the area I'm in. Guy with 160 ac next door is paying 300 plus entitlements for spring barley. I'm not paying near that


    • #79
      GrasstoMilk
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      Bass Reeves wrote: »
      Did you ever try the growmax and have you tested the PH lately

      No just gouldings from a merchant that's down the road.
      I stuck a ph prob in it this year and it read 6.5 but I dont know how accurate that is


    • #80
      Bass Reeves
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      GrasstoMilk wrote: »
      Usually I would but its yearly rent and they'd happily drop me for a tillage guy if he offered more. Which could likely happen in the area I'm in. Guy with 160 ac next door is paying 300 plus entitlements for spring barley. I'm not paying near that

      No wonder tillage guys complain they are making no money. On a five year average that not much with break even for spring barley. Lad renting must not know there a calculator on all phones with over 10 years now

      Slava Ukrainii



    • #81
      Panch18
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      GrasstoMilk wrote: »
      Usually I would but its yearly rent and they'd happily drop me for a tillage guy if he offered more. Which could likely happen in the area I'm in. Guy with 160 ac next door is paying 300 plus entitlements for spring barley. I'm not paying near that

      Yeah the tillage lads in tillage areas like yours and mine will pay any money to get places.

      You wouldn’t want to have a place looking too good when it’s only on 11 month system


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    • #82
      Mooooo
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      morphy87 wrote: »
      Following this thread,just wondering does anyone use sulfur here and if so how much and did they see much improvement?

      Bar the first round of urea I get all fert with sulphur in it. Helps the plant turn the nitrogen into more available protein. I thing they say 15 to 20 units. Some use ASN but that would only be for silage ground for grazing it's better to use smaller quantities more often, 18.6.12 + S or sulphacan or protected urea +S. They tend to have 4 to 7 of sulphur in them.


    • #83
      GrasstoMilk
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      Bass Reeves wrote: »
      No wonder tillage guys complain they are making no money. On a five year average that not much with break even for spring barley. Lad renting must not know there a calculator on all phones with over 10 years now

      Most likely being funded through a large existing sfp. If they can make a Bob out of it they'll take it and it lowers there machinery costs per acre


    • #84
      Sugarbowl
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      What are people using for second cut silage? Any recommendations to accompany about 2000gl/acre of slurry?


    • #85
      Dunedin
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      Sugarbowl wrote: »
      What are people using for second cut silage? Any recommendations to accompany about 2000gl/acre of slurry?

      If it was good slurry, got p and k for the first cut, you’d probably be ok with sulphacan.

      But it all depends on your current p and k and without soil testing you are only guessing.


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