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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    The name for the shape of Pringles is called a ‘Hyperbolic Paraboloid’.

    pringle-hypar.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    One of the weirdest thing about the hyperbolic parabaloid shape, is how easy it is to construct, they are commonly used to build roofs for example (National Basketball Centre for example) Despite appearing to be curved in every direction, it's what is known as double ruled i.e. you can draw 2 straight lines though any point on it's surface - therefore the entire roof support structure can be made of only straight bars.

    I actually have a very mild version of one on a play house i built for my kids out my back garden, constructed from straight lengths of timber and sheets of plywood. The curve on it is quite slight, i put it there partly for my own nerdy amusement and partly to to accommodate for the weird footprint shape to fit it into an odd shaped corner of the garden. To make it more pringle shaped would have meant cladding in something more flexible like sheet metal or something along those lines - which i'm now regretting not doing:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    London once had famous lavender fields...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    The two tiny holes drilled in every BIC pen is to ensure that the air pressure is the same both inside and outside the pen, which helps the ink flow to the tip.

    The hole in the pen lid also serves a dual purpose of preventing choking. As some people like to chew their pen lids, occasionally accidents will occur and it can get lodged in their throat. Adding that larger hole on the top of the lid increases air flow, so if it does get stuck in somebody's throat they will still be able to breathe.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    The hole on the lid and the hole at the end on the little stopper were added in the 80s. I still have some ancient biros somewhere without them. I didn't know about the side hole, that's interesting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,246 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
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    Well known myth says Americans spent millions of taxpayer's dollars to develop a biro that's usable in space (as no gravity wouldn't let ink to flow) while Russians gave their astronauts pencils.

    In fact, both parties used mechanical pencils until Paul C. Fischer created AG-7, a.k.a. Anti-Gravity Pen. In 1965 Fisher patented a pen that could write upside-down, in frigid or roasting conditions and even underwater or in other liquids. As a result, both Americans and Russians used them after a while. :D

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    New Home wrote: »
    The hole on the lid and the hole at the end on the little stopper were added in the 80s. I still have some ancient biros somewhere without them. I didn't know about the side hole, that's interesting.

    The hole in the lid was done as a result of a campaign on the BBC’s That’s Life tv show. I remember watching it as a kid.

    I didn’t know about the side hole though.

    Is there another hole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    So they're idiot-proof pens, basically.

    I thought previous posters were going to say "added additional hole in case the pen was need for an emergency tracheotomy ". That has been done, btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    I've used one as a tri-wing screwdriver. They're very versatile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    One of the weirdest thing about the hyperbolic parabaloid shape, is how easy it is to construct, they are commonly used to build roofs for example (National Basketball Centre for example) Despite appearing to be curved in every direction, it's what is known as double ruled i.e. you can draw 2 straight lines though any point on it's surface - therefore the entire roof support structure can be made of only straight bars.

    I actually have a very mild version of one on a play house i built for my kids out my back garden, constructed from straight lengths of timber and sheets of plywood. The curve on it is quite slight, i put it there partly for my own nerdy amusement and partly to to accommodate for the weird footprint shape to fit it into an odd shaped corner of the garden. To make it more pringle shaped would have meant cladding in something more flexible like sheet metal or something along those lines - which i'm now regretting not doing:D

    There is a library (formerly a Dominican church) in athy that has a hyperbolic paraboloid roof

    Side view:
    3765929956_6fb3e09c53_b.jpg

    Front view:
    2PTcgS5BZSzm0SI2efSABHS77mXAyoQY9ucsNvrAIB0A3RwP5MYi_fPgvCJKYpEFLZsJaZFcahuckm8Lp0RhSNb_5PM0YnX3V1Iv2l_ssYcTti-815A4a8fLiPGX6bIDXiFtOHNtLVipOw


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    joujoujou wrote: »
    Fisher patented a pen that could write upside-down, in frigid or roasting conditions and even underwater or in other liquids.

    I'm sure the pen could write many other words apart from those ones you just listed. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Vanuatu is an island nation in the Pacific. It's about the same size as Kerry and Cork combined and has a population of around 280,000.

    But it also has 116 recognised languages; English French, Bismala (which is a Creole of many local languages and English) and then 113 recognisably different languages. Or one for every 2,000 people.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KevRossi wrote: »
    Vanuatu is an island nation in the Pacific. It's about the same size as Kerry and Cork combined and has a population of around 280,000.

    But it also has 116 recognised languages; English French, Bismala (which is a Creole of many local languages and English) and then 113 recognisably different languages. Or one for every 2,000 people.

    Also home to a volcano that's been active for centuries, I believe. And a massively popular diving destination because of the coral reefs.

    Until about five or six years ago Vanuatu was suffering from a resurgence of Yaws disease - painful, highly infectious, chronic and recurring, with up to 93% of the population of Tanna Island affected. It's a bacterial infection that causes large wet sores on the limbs, and was common worldwide in humid warm climates until a mass treatment program in the 1950's - 60's involving penicillin injections reduced the incidence by over 95%.

    Yaws is painful, the sores can be deep and can be present for anything from two months to two years and leave lots of scarring after healing. Kids tend to suffer the most, and are harder to treat because the sores need to be kept clean, which involves keeping dressings clean and of course, clean water.

    Another push to erradicate Yaws and other 'neglected tropical diseases' was rolled out by the WHO a couple of years ago and a single dose of oral antibiotic was all that was needed this time, but the isolated location of the island and the presence of suspicious tribal chiefs meant that it took time to convince the population of the treatment. The campaign was piggybacked onto an anti malaria campaign and people were having their dwellings sprayed down and at the same time the single dose treatment was extended to about 96% of the population over six months old. Within two weeks, even people who'd been covered with sores for years were healed up, and so the program was massively successful.

    In reference to the post above, the language situation meant that awareness adverts for radio and in print were pushed out in dozens of languages.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    joujoujou wrote: »
    Well known myth says Americans spent millions of taxpayer's dollars to develop a biro that's usable in space (as no gravity wouldn't let ink to flow) while Russians gave their astronauts pencils.
    Nobody used pencils.

    Bits of conductive graphite floating around causing short cuts ?
    Yeah, no.

    They used grease pencils with a paper covering that could be peeled off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭sunnysoutheast


    So they're idiot-proof pens, basically.

    I thought previous posters were going to say "added additional hole in case the pen was need for an emergency tracheotomy ". That has been done, btw.

    Saw a very interesting documentary about the ballpoint pen once. Bloke called Biro had the patent in WW2 working with the Brits, another guy changed it just enough to get a fresh patent in the US where it first retailed for near $200 each in today's money, then another guy called Bich developed the Bic we all know today. The reason the market wasn't flooded with Chinese-made versions in the 70s was because they couldn't make the tungsten carbide steel ball. The pen itself is six-sided like a pencil. I'm sure it'll be online somewhere. Hopefully I've got it right, was a while ago. Fascinating though all the same.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    There is a project to generate all possible melodies and assign them a Creative Commons copyright. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,246 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    Nobody used pencils.

    [...]

    They used grease pencils [...]

    :p


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    There's a full moon out tonight. We've all seen it before, but tonight, if you get a chance between the clouds, have a look up at it and think about this -

    When you can see a full moon from earth, that means that you can see a full earth from the surface of the moon.

    The moon is 2150 miles across. The earth is 7910 miles across. So roughly speaking, the earth is 3½ times the diameter of the moon.

    That means that the earth in the moon sky tonight will appear 3½ times wider and 3½ times taller than the moon appears in the earth sky. Or in other words, it will take up 13 times the amount of sky that the moon does tonight.

    And there's no atmosphere on the moon, which hazes and distorts the moon seen from earth - so it would be not just much bigger than we see the moon, but also much clearer. And because we never see the far side of the moon, the earth as seen from the near side never sets.

    It must be a truly electrifying sight. Yet it's possible no-one's ever seen it. Man has only spent about 12 days on the moon, but the full earth, like the full moon, only appears once every 28 days. And I think all the Apollo visits were timed at the same phase of the moon to fit the required trajectory.

    So you'll just have to make do with this spectacular photo taken in 2015 by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - and as I say, have a look up at the full moon tonight and try imagine seeing the view of a full earth for yourself.

    earth_and_limb_m1199291564l_color_2stretch_mask_0.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,246 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    Tennis balls used to be white (or sometimes black). But David Attenborough's idea was to make them yellow(ish) to be seen better on colour TV.

    https://www.tennis365.com/tennis-features/how-tennis-changed-from-white-to-yellow-tennis-balls-thanks-to-david-attenborough/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭lan


    cdeb wrote: »
    When you can see a full moon from earth, that means that you can see a full earth from the surface of the moon.

    I could be wrong (not an astronomer), but I don't think that's how that works.

    At any given time, the moon is half in light, half in shadow (cast by the moon itself), regardless of where it is in it's orbit (apart from during an eclipse ofc).

    We see a full moon when the shadowed half is hidden from our perspective. That happens when Earth is directly between the moon and sun, because the sunlight is coming from the same direction as we're looking.

    From the moon's perspective though, during full moon the bright side of Earth is on the far side of the planet, and they probably can't see Earth at all, as the near part is all in shadow.

    You do get 'full Earths' on the moon, but they'd happen at the opposite part of the moon's orbit, at a new moon.

    Here's a gif I found that might make it easier to see:

    http://moongazer.x10.mx/website/astronomy/moon-phases/Moon-Phases-N.gif


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    You're entirely right actually - apologies!

    Still want to see it...but never will. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Carry


    Languages are fascinating, and there are so many words/expressions you can't really translate, but they symbolise the mindset of a people.

    My current favourite (Finnish) word is Kälsarikännit.
    It means "to get drunk alone on the sofa just clad in underwear with no intention to go out".
    It might be the right word for some boards warriors ...

    Another Finnish word is Poronkusema, meaning "the distance a reindeer can comfortably travel before taking a break".
    I could apply that to myself, though I have to stress that I'm not a reindeer!

    The Inuit have a lovely word, too: Iktsuarpok, meaning "the act of repeatedly going outside to keep checking if someone is coming".
    That would be a lovely word for Irish mammies shortly before Christmas, or so.

    An interesting word in Malay is Pisanzapra, meaning "the time needed to eat a banana".
    I'll never eat a banana again without checking the time it takes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Evade


    I'm learning Japanese and I find how utilitarian some of their words are is funny. Directly translated your fringe is your front hair and socks are shoes under.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭jonski


    Carry wrote: »
    My current favourite (Finnish) word is Kälsarikännit.
    It means "to get drunk alone on the sofa just clad in underwear with no intention to go out".
    It might be the right word for some boards warriors ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Evade wrote: »
    I'm learning Japanese and I find how utilitarian some of their words are is funny. Directly translated your fringe is your front hair and socks are shoes under.
    I think that happens in any language you learn. I bet English words like hairbrush, underclothes, doorstop, or keyboard seem funny in other languages if you break them into their literal components and translate those.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    mikhail wrote: »
    I think that happens in any language you learn. I bet English words like hairbrush, underclothes, doorstop, or keyboard seem funny in other languages if you break them into their literal components and translate those.

    Also languages like Japanese and Finnish are agglutinative so they fuse prefixes and suffixes to words rather than combining multiple words as part of their grammar, and that can lead to situations where a single word describes a particular, complex and multi component concept, but really it's just that all the separate elements are fused into a word that really has multiple parts.

    Learned Hungarian a little when I was younger so got used to it, but basically when you're fluent in such a language you're mentally breaking up the word into its parts as you read. A simple example would be if you're saying you're going "to Budapest" it is "budapestre" whole "from Budapest" would be "Budapeströl" (my keyboard doesn't have the right symbol for the o, but the dots should be dashes). One word, but it's really using suffixes instead of a second word to qualify the meaning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    three prefixes we have in Irish are so, do and in befoee a word.

    Take creidte which roughly means believable/credible

    In means the affixed word is possible to do i.e. inchriedte means possible to believe = credible (confusing for students)

    do means the affixed word is not possible i.e. dochreidte means impossible to believe = incredible

    the strangest one is so

    so means the affixed word is easily done i.e. sochredite means it is easily believed


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    One last Apollo snippet before I move on to a new book!

    This is an Apollo toilet -

    main-qimg-861e9d911b08acbbcd64f9b267b3f705

    Operation was straightforward -

    1) Find a quiet corner of the spaceship. Zero-g actually created more such corners - you could float up to the ceiling and turn upside-down, for example
    2) Drop the cacks
    3) Tape the open end to your arse
    4) ****e

    Now the problem with step 4 is that gravity plays a key role - it's what causes the drop into the toilet bowl on earth. Without gravity - well, you can guess. So step 5 then is to put your finger into the finger-sized slot on the side, poke around and help things on their way.

    On with the steps so -

    6) Remove bag - being careful not to pull out too many hairs
    7) Wipe with wet-wipe - the small square on the left - and pull up trousers
    8) Insert the contents of the black bag into the toilet bag and mush everything up by hand. The black bag contains a chemical element designed to neutralise the bacteria in the toilet contents.

    Part of the recorded transcript of Apollo 10 is the three astronauts blaming each other for a floater in the cabin (133:29:44 to 133:30:44 here if you're really interested). And one astronaut on Apollo 8 had the 24-hour bug - diarrhoea and vomiting - and again, there were bits floating around. When Apollo 8 splash-landed (if you'll pardon the pun!), the navy officers who opened the hatch recoiled at the smell from inside.

    For anyone interested on reading more about the Apollo missions, I can absolutely recommend Andrew Chaikin's A Man on the Moon, which covers all the Apollo missions and features interviews with every Apollo astronaut and a hell of a lot more people besides. I'd go so far as to say it's a really important book - only 4 of the 12 people who've walked on the moon are still alive today - and a brilliant account of an incredible period.

    Next in my reading pile is my own book. :eek: I've already spotted a typo on page 2...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    The third Punic War between Rome and Carthage ended on February 5th....1985! This was over 2000 years after actual hostilities had ceased, in 146 B.C., making it the longest war in history.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    blastman wrote: »
    The third Punic War between Rome and Carthage ended on February 5th....1985! This was over 2000 years after actual hostilities had ceased, in 146 B.C., making it the longest war in history.
    I presume the Tunisian government and the Italians had an enjoyable junket in '85 so. The third Punic war ended when Rome enslaved the population of the city, razed the buildings to the ground, and maybe (depending on who you listen to) salted the earth. It was not the friendliest of wars. Modern Tunisians don't speak a language descended from Carthaginian, the surviving people of the city were dispersed around the Roman empire, and I suspect the Tunisians have about as much to do with Carthage as the Turks have do with Constantinople.


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