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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    I’m struggling with your logic here.

    Surely wearing over ear headphones increase the risk of not hearing emergency announcements during the riskiest part she of the journey (take off and landing)?

    In my experience of wearing in-ear buds you can still hear that an announcement is being made, but noise cancelling headphones could mean that they’re not heard?

    To be quite honest it is coming across from your posts that you know better.

    My point is that Aer Lingus make announcements that "over ear" headphones have to be removed for take-off, but "in ear" ear phones can be worn and used during that time.

    This is a confusing delineation for me because it is derived from an incorrect assumption (the one that you have yourself made) that in-ear lets you hear your surroundings.

    Most modern wireless in-ear earphones have very good passive noise reduction, and plenty of them have active noise cancellation*

    So I guess what I'd say is if you're going to tell people to remove over-ear headphones during this phase of the flight, you have to do it for in-ear earphones too.

    In addition, if the reasoning for asking people to remove headphones is so that they can hear safety announcements, then it also makes no sense that those in the business class cabin are not asked to remove headphones.



    (*I'd also note that most modern wireless over-ear headphones, like my own, have an option to invert the noise cancellation so that you can pipe in environmental noise as if you weren't wearing any headphones at all.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    In business class the EI issued headphones can only be used with the onboard IFE so any PA will go through the IFE if it is working

    If the IFE is dead the noise cancellation dies

    On a ATR I struggle to hear the PA in flight, but I can with the noise cancellation headphones on with no audio.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    This point came up a few weeks ago.
    At the time I took a guess that the EI rule was devised before in-ear had noise cancelling. Go back a few years and only large overhead sets were noise cancelling.
    I'm guessing that the rule has been overtaken by advances in tech.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭sherology


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    LRD's first revenue service planned for Tuesday 03/03 as;

    EIN158 DUB0950-1120LHR 32Q EI-LRD
    EIN159 LHR1215-1345DUB 32Q EI-LRD

    It then positions on Wednesday 04/03 to operate its first transatlantic crossing as;

    EIN990 DUB0955-1045SNN 32Q EI-LRD
    EIN1AC SNN1200-1425BOS 32Q EI-LRD

    EI-LRA will take the honours on Wednesday of operating the EI380/381 SNN-LHR-SNN service, after arriving that morning from JFK.

    LRD was the one that had the extra 'third' ACT (tank) right h although I think I read here that LRC went for an extra one - would this be the 'D' one -swapped from D into C? SNN routes won't need the extra ACT I guess. Has the extra tank been popped into one of the other LRs, or in a hangar for bad weather/on-demand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I landed on a Delta A330 yesterday, there was no requirement to remove any headsets for any phase of taxi, flight or on the previous Delta A320 flight . Cabin crew and Flight crew PAs were perfectly audible through my Sony over-ears.

    As MJ says they allow it for EI business class on longhaul so pay-to-play it looks like - yes, a source of frustration


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    trellheim wrote: »
    I landed on a Delta A330 yesterday, there was no requirement to remove any headsets for any phase of taxi, flight or on the previous Delta A320 flight . Cabin crew and Flight crew PAs were perfectly audible through my Sony over-ears.

    As MJ says they allow it for EI business class on longhaul so pay-to-play it looks like - yes, a source of frustration
    Delta are not EI. Each airline has its own rules.

    EI Business class headsets are plugged into the PA system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    I’ve actually found that it’s easier to hear the PA announcements with noise cancelling headphones on (either in or over ear). It filters out all the noise and you can actually hear what they say. If you take your headphones off, the announcements are usually very hard to hear due to crappy speakers and engine noise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Delta are not EI. Each airline has its own rules.

    oh for sure its EI's trainset, they can do what they like, my point originally above was that it appears completely arbitrary even on the same airplane and thus a source of frustration.


    Moving back on thread topic does anyone know if Austin Tx is a route candidate, these last few weeks have left me with a happy displeasure from connecting through any hub ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Tenger wrote: »
    Delta are not EI. Each airline has its own rules.

    EI Business class headsets are plugged into the PA system.

    Who said anything about the provided headsets? I'm talking about over-ear headphones not connected to the IFE system - they do not ask you to remove those in business class, at all, in my experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Wow I hope we can go round in circles on this headphones crack for another 2 pages and still not get anywhere!! :mad::rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    trellheim wrote: »
    ........
    Moving back on thread topic does anyone know if Austin Tx is a route candidate, these last few weeks have left me with a happy displeasure from connecting through any hub ...
    I would hazard a guess that it must be in the top 10.
    Loooking at a map of the US there is a glaring hole in the EI route map.
    Houston, Dallas seems like the obvious TX destinations. But Austin has a fast growing tech sector. AA already started Dallas, Houston is a UA hub. I guess it depends on what sort of connections EI see on their other services (ie. ORD/EWR/JFK)

    But I will hazard a guess that EI are currently looking at their A321LR plans and how to absorb the incoming blow from Covid-19.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Austins already got a daily BA 777 or 747 from LHR , and 3xweekly Norwegian from LGW , if you like preclearance you can hub through JFK or philly or near anywhere in the US

    just hate hubbing and DFW is a madhouse of an airport

    some amount of tech companies there though

    Houston is oil and gas and space tech, Austin is more IT focused

    Followup : Preclearance saturday last took < 2 mins CBP have improved it very well, wish DAA could respond to passenger criticism like that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Tenger wrote: »
    I would hazard a guess that it must be in the top 10.
    Loooking at a map of the US there is a glaring hole in the EI route map.
    Houston, Dallas seems like the obvious TX destinations. But Austin has a fast growing tech sector. AA already started Dallas, Houston is a UA hub. I guess it depends on what sort of connections EI see on their other services (ie. ORD/EWR/JFK)

    But I will hazard a guess that EI are currently looking at their A321LR plans and how to absorb the incoming blow from Covid-19.

    We could even ask about......oh wait is that L1011 looking at me??!?!?! :eek::eek::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Heathrow rebuff will be boon for Dublin - Walsh

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/heathrow-rebuff-will-be-boon-for-dublin-walsh-39004947.html

    Annoyingly, the Indo has a paywall now but gist of attached article was that the refusal of the 3rd runway at LHR is a boost for DUB's transatlantic hub expansion plans according to Willie Walsh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 Aviation2K16


    sherology wrote: »
    LRD was the one that had the extra 'third' ACT (tank) right h although I think I read here that LRC went for an extra one - would this be the 'D' one -swapped from D into C? SNN routes won't need the extra ACT I guess. Has the extra tank been popped into one of the other LRs, or in a hangar for bad weather/on-demand?

    I also thought LRD was meant to have the 3rd ACT and LRA-C would primari,y serve SNN-JFK/BOS and DUB-BDL.

    Looking forward to spotting it SNN however. Also the first time LHR will see 2X321LR on the ground at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Does this 4th LR facilitate the phase out of the final 757 or is that staying until the end of summer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 Aviation2K16


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Does this 4th LR facilitate the phase out of the final 757 or is that staying until the end of summer?

    CJX will stay until 30/04. The A330 will operate MSP from 01/05.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    According to wiki there's currently 16 A330s in the fleet (5 200s and 11 300s). What's the likely future for the bigger planes? The A350 order seems like it's not going to happen, so does that mean EI will continue with the A330 as long as they continue to make them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    ozzy jr wrote: »
    According to wiki there's currently 16 A330s in the fleet (5 200s and 11 300s). What's the likely future for the bigger planes? The A350 order seems like it's not going to happen, so does that mean EI will continue with the A330 as long as they continue to make them?

    No more are being made, EI got the last two. Future orders will have to be 800/900


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭d51984


    Yea Ide say so. The A330 works well for EI, the A350 would be too big of a plane. The only change I can see in the future would be to the A330neo. Short haul I can see a one for one replacement to A320neos.

    Ide like to see them try a new long haul route that doesnt involve USA of Canada but stick to whats working for them I suppose.

    Its a disgrace Joe!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    The wide body requirements are pretty much fulfilled with the current A330, the average age of the wide body fleet will be less than 10 years with the latest additions and older frames can easily be replaced with younger second hand models as and when needed. There really is no need or desire to invest in ‘next gen’ wide body aircraft until at least the middle of this decade.

    Aer Lingus probably won’t want to invest in a new wide body type until the majority of the current fleet are up for renewal.

    That’s before we even begin to consider the current climate, the global economy is slowing, the UK is heading for a cliff edge exit from the EU and now we have a pandemic to deal with which is already having a massive impact on the aviation industry. Airlines will once again be bracing themselves and tightening their belts.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 63 ✭✭flange888


    I also thought LRD was meant to have the 3rd ACT and LRA-C would primari,y serve SNN-JFK/BOS and DUB-BDL.

    None of the current NEO's have a 3rd ACT, LRE will be the first to be factory fitted I believe.
    3rd ACT to be retrofitted to EI-LRA/D I'd imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭EI321


    Will it matter if they dont have them this summer, since the extra weight of the centre tank and fuel might not be very useful until the new runway opens next year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    A boon for Dublin airport ? What with Aer Lingus launching one new us route a year? Can’t wait for JetBlue to arrive here !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    A boon for Dublin airport ? What with Aer Lingus launching one new us route a year? Can’t wait for JetBlue to arrive here !

    Seriously?

    Aer Lingus has pretty much doubled its capacity across the atlantic in around five years, it's easily been one the fastest growing and profitable (unlike some) airlines in the market.

    Since 2015;

    Hartford
    Los Angeles
    Newark
    Seattle
    Miami
    Minneapolis
    Washington

    Since 2014;

    Toronto
    San Francisco

    This summer is actually the first time since 2014 that there hasn't been a new city announced but there has been an additional capacity boost across the network, this summer the airline will have 2million seats available across the Atlantic.

    Willie Walsh's comments are about the decade ahead and beyond, and he's right. As Heathrow cripples, Dublin and Aer Lingus have an opportunity to grow.

    You can look forward to JetBlue arriving, they'll be a great addition just don't expect them to be bringing anything new to the table, it'll be the same old east cost routes with similar fares and a similar service level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,542 ✭✭✭✭cson


    B6's regular Y product would comfortably beat everyone save for VS in transatlantic terms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    ozzy jr wrote: »
    The A350 order seems like it's not going to happen,
    ?

    That ship has sailed a very long time ago!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Heard that LRA-B,C will be replacing the current older 321 when more LR’s arrive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    cson wrote: »
    B6's regular Y product would comfortably beat everyone save for VS in transatlantic terms.

    If they keep the seat pitch and free WiFi they are on to a winner, but flying A321neo LR range is limited. Better business class on B6 vs EI, same seat but with the doors.

    However B6 has started to densify Y on its fleet, previously they had got a A320 to under 150 seats and thus need only 3 cabin crew


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    I remember either reading or being told that if anything were to go wrong in flight, it's in the first 10 and the final 10mins of that flight.

    And when things go drastically wrong it's usually in the last few seconds of a flight...


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