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elefant · 18-02-2020 08:23AM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Anyone else think Miguel learned the term "Petrol State" this week?

Petrostate

kilns · 18-02-2020 09:59AM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Anyone else think Miguel learned the term "Petrol State" this week?

Maybe he should learn not being a twat

jones · 18-02-2020 10:48AM

Oh good uncle Jim today... A man who is so in love with his own voice he may never stop speaking. Can't warm to him at all.

Football show was OK but as usual Ken missing when big story breaks ha

EltonJohn69 · 18-02-2020 11:12AM

Too much too ask for Ken to call in ? A quick 15 minute of reaction/opinion ?

jones · 18-02-2020 11:39AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Too much too ask for Ken to call in ? A quick 15 minute of reaction/opinion ?

I actually thought he would ring in for a short bit on it but what can you do

Seamy Fitz · 18-02-2020 11:44AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Too much too ask for Ken to call in ? A quick 15 minute of reaction/

He is on his holidays.

Say Your Number · 18-02-2020 11:54AM

Ah let Ken enjoy his holiday, we'll hear from him next week.

Liked the book review, it stayed on topic for the most part and Uncle Jim was enthusiastic about it, although I have to be honest and say I didn't think the book was that great.

Jim Root · 18-02-2020 01:33PM

jones wrote: »

Oh good uncle Jim today... A man who is so in love with his own voice he may never stop speaking. Can't warm to him at all.

Football show was OK but as usual Ken missing when big story breaks ha

I'll be skipping this pod.

Shame Ken is away after a good result from Man Utd, as I am curious would he give the same amount of airtime for an analysis of a positive performance, as he does when they do poorly.

Hippo · 18-02-2020 06:48PM

I loved This Sporting Life but unfortunately Uncle Jim...

cmac2009 · 18-02-2020 07:21PM

Hippo wrote: »

I loved This Sporting Life but unfortunately Uncle Jim...

His pod's could be played on repeat in Guantanamo. Insufferable.

humberklog · 18-02-2020 07:26PM

Ken's in Belgium. Stupid sexy Flanders.

Arghus · 18-02-2020 11:01PM

Uncle Jim is absolute torture.

Cienciano · 18-02-2020 11:08PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Anyone else think Miguel learned the term "Petrol State" this week?

Towards the end you could tell he didn't want to use the word again, but he had to

Running Balance · 18-02-2020 11:37PM

Arghus wrote: »

Uncle Jim is absolute torture.

The uncle jim thing is getting old quick. he is the kind of lad if you saw in a pub you do anything not to make conversation with him.

Jim Root · 19-02-2020 10:35AM

Running Balance wrote: »

The uncle jim thing is getting old quick. he is the kind of lad if you saw in a pub you do anything not to make conversation with him.

he's like a Dublin taxi driver you get at the airport from time to time who wont shut up talking at you when all you want to do is stay silent after a long, arduous flight

Raoul · 19-02-2020 11:31AM

At least it was an actual book review/discussion unlike the others.

kilns · 19-02-2020 11:43AM

to be honest I skipped over the last few episodes, cant listen to Miguel Delaney so left that one alone and the Murph filler stuff is annoying so I just avoid them.

Looking forward to this weeks episodes discussing the champions league games

SAM SO NITE · 19-02-2020 10:07PM

Delaney is absolutely insufferable. Supercilious arrogant bile oozes from his pores like a play dough machine.

Richie Sadlier does this Cathy Newman esque thing where he answers the question by asking a question " so what are you asking me here, will man city be banned?"

Then he doesn't really add anything that we don't know already and fence sits. He wants to run with the hares and the hounds when giving an opinion.

Arghus · 19-02-2020 11:59PM

SAM SO NITE wrote: »

Richie Sadlier does this Cathy Newman esque thing where he answers the question by asking a question " so what are you asking me here, will man city be banned?"

Then he doesn't really add anything that we don't know already and fence sits. He wants to run with the hares and the hounds when giving an opinion.

Richie is better when he has Ken to argue against.

He tends to state the obvious forcefully and dogmatically. Eoin and Murph play devil's advocate a bit too half heartedly to him and what he has to say as a result can sound very self evident.

On Monday it was of course City players will want to leave if there's no Champions League football and Mick McCarthy won't want Stephen Kenny around while he is still manager. Both of those points are so blindingly obvious that they don't really warrant discussion. He needs Ken's idiosyncratic opinions to actually be interesting in his own right.

Dots1982 · 20-02-2020 12:30AM

Arghus wrote: »

Richie is better when he has Ken to argue against.

He tends to state the obvious forcefully and dogmatically. Eoin and Murph play devil's advocate a bit too half heartedly to him and what he has to say as a result can sound very self evident.

On Monday it was of course City players will want to leave if there's no Champions League football and Mick McCarthy won't want Stephen Kenny around while he is still manager. Both of those points are so blindingly obvious that they don't really warrant discussion. He needs Ken's idiosyncratic opinions to actually be interesting in his own right.

There’s also the school of thought that Sadlier struggles to ever say anything enlightening about matters football.

Murph offered the somewhat low functioning opinion that the worst City are going to suffer from this is that they’ll spend a few seasons as second to Liverpool. No one countered this extremely dubious point. That’s fairly indicative of the level of debate and argument you get from Richie.

Being surprised to notice how on the ball Eamon Dunphy has been on his own podcast on this. Has put three pods out on it and has called it the biggest english soccer story ever. That is overegging it but still it showed Dunphy could see or at least had been briefed that was is going on right now is of huge import.

Arghus · 20-02-2020 02:56AM

It could be a big story, but does anyone seriously think City won't win that appeal or some mutually satisfactory fudge won't be found?

Dunphy is absolutely overegging. City will be playing in the Champions League next season.

Richie doesn't provide much generally in the way of top insight. Like I said earlier, he tends to state the obvious, often and with an exasperated tone that suggests he's railing against the consensus - when he's mostly saying the punditry equivalent of water is wet and night follows day.

But, honestly, for all that, I still find him easier to listen to on current football matters than Dunphy. Dunphy gets basic facts on teams, players, owners, managers, matches, scores etc, etc wrong all the time. He can't be taken seriously.

Dots1982 · 20-02-2020 08:06AM

For me it’s not just the punishment, it’s what the punishment indicates. City have been labeled cheats now and no opposition fan or media is going to allow them forget that regardless of how the appeal goes. There is no use in a sports washing project that is mired in dirt.

We shall see but I think Dunphy was far closer to the truth of this than Murph.

Brock Turnpike · 20-02-2020 09:28AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

For me it’s not just the punishment, it’s what the punishment indicates. City have been labeled cheats now and no opposition fan or media is going to allow them forget that regardless of how the appeal goes. There is no use in a sports washing project that is mired in dirt.

We shall see but I think Dunphy was far closer to the truth of this than Murph.

Any update on your position on Mark Horgan, Captain Fantasy?

Beersmith · 20-02-2020 09:28AM

Eoin: "Richie, can I ask you a question?"

Richie: "Can you ask me a question?....Well let me put this to you, you a presenter are asking me Richie can you ask me a question"

Eoin: "Yes"

Richie: "Well imagine this, put yourself in my shoes, an ex-player who debates football for a living being asked, in this very studio by the way let's not forget that, a question of would he be OK with being asked such a question"

Eoin: "It's quite straightforward though I would have thought, no?"

Richie: "Well it is and it isn't, OK so let me ask all of you what would ye here say to it, remember the words you used now 'CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION'"

Murph: "its not in my wheelhouse"

Richie: "Now the answer is Yes it shouldn't be a problem but remember you have to see it from my perspective"

Raisins · 20-02-2020 10:33AM

My issue is that Miguel Delaney was on second captains, the stand, the hard shoulder...couldn’t escape him. Dunno how he is seen as the Man City FFP expert. Dunphy started off by asking him “what is ffp?” and he flustered the answer. A fella in a pub would explain it better. Says it all.

kilns · 20-02-2020 10:37AM

Raisins wrote: »

My issue is that Miguel Delaney was on second captains, the stand, the hard shoulder...couldn’t escape him. Dunno how he is seen as the Man City FFP expert. Dunphy started off by asking him “what is ffp?” and he flustered the answer. A fella in a pub would explain it better. Says it all.

It always surprises me why so many outlets here have him on when there are so many better football journalists in England. To be fair to SC they do get some of those other guys on but Delaney seems to be a default guest

Brock Turnpike · 20-02-2020 10:42AM

kilns wrote: »

It always surprises me why so many outlets here have him on when there are so many better football journalists in England. To be fair to SC they do get some of those other guys on but Delaney seems to be a default guest

They are mates with him

Still Ill · 20-02-2020 10:53AM

No idea what his written articles are like, but the manner in which he speaks is the opposite of clear and cogent

Blanco100 · 20-02-2020 11:06AM

Still Ill wrote: »

No idea what his written articles are like, but the manner in which he speaks is the opposite of clear and cogent

He is a newspaper editor/chief writer during a slump in print media.

The fact The Athletic didn't touch him speaks volumes. I actually remember TV3 used him years ago during European football coverage and thought it was odd, he was very young and could not have been working long. Thats over 10 years ago.

kilns · 20-02-2020 11:08AM

The name sounds like he knows more than he does. Miguel.

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