Caroline Flack found dead

RabbleRouser2k · 18-02-2020 01:06PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

I do too (have a history of quite severe episodes of depression) . I'm not buying that as a reason ot an excuse for assaulting her partner though (if she did). Reading about her behaviour I have no doubt that she had mental health issues but depression isn't what sprung to my mind. Obviously, I don't know the full picture, though. It's sad that her life spiralled out to the degree it did to the point she was harming others and herself and ultimately she is dead. Truly awful

Same-but I've known others who were quite violent. Especially if they stopped their meds or hit the drink. She had issues.

Totally OT, but this is ridiculous.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0218/1116030-west-ham-co-owner-apologises-over-caroline-flack-tweet/

Sardonicat · 18-02-2020 01:12PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Same-but I've known others who were quite violent. Especially if they stopped their meds or hit the drink. She had issues.

Totally OT, but this is ridiculous.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0218/1116030-west-ham-co-owner-apologises-over-caroline-flack-tweet/

Maybe they were violent people who also had depression? Maybe Caroline was?

Ray Palmer · 18-02-2020 01:12PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Chris Brown is still enjoying a very lucrative, successful career despite battering Rihanna.

R Kelly's career peaked around the time he married a 15yr old child, despite the obvious pedophelia and rumours he had been physically & emotionally abusive to her. It was years later before his past caught up with him and questions were asked.

Stop trying to make it into a gender war.

They weren't hired as staff by anybody they were performers. Being a presenter where you are hired by a company is very different.

Why was Melanie Sykes hired by the BBC?

I am not making anything a gender war, there is a reality if different public opinion and punishment both judicial and public opinion.

sashafierce · 18-02-2020 01:18PM

Porklife wrote: »

I understand. I didn't know anything about her and I felt really down reading about it on Sunday and have been thinking alot about it since. Regardless of what happened that night, we know for absolute certain what happened on Saturday evening and it's incredibly sad no doubt about it.

Same I've felt down ever since I heard the news Saturday evening. I followed her from I'm a celeb, Xtra factor, xfactor, SCD, Love Island, The Bake off and all in between and found a lot of topics she discussed I related to (being single, not wanting kids, her body insecurities amoungst a few others) so I choose to judge on what I seen of her not what a newspaper portrayed her as!

sashafierce · 18-02-2020 01:19PM

Porklife wrote: »

I understand. I didn't know anything about her and I felt really down reading about it on Sunday and have been thinking alot about it since. Regardless of what happened that night, we know for absolute certain what happened on Saturday evening and it's incredibly sad no doubt about it.

Same I've felt down ever since I heard the news Saturday evening. I followed her from I'm a celeb, Xtra factor, xfactor, SCD, Love Island, The Bake off and all in between and found a lot of topics she discussed I related to (being single, anxiety, not wanting kids, her body insecurities amoungst a few others) so I choose to judge on what I seen of her not what a newspaper portrayed her as!

the.red.baron · 18-02-2020 01:21PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I disagree with you, Seamus.

It’s actually like saying “You can’t expect someone to give you positive media coverage when you do a good job, and not give you negative media coverage when you mess up”.

She courted the media, magazines, photo shoots, interviews.

did the media even cross a line with her in the first place

Hannibal_Smith · 18-02-2020 01:22PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m sure that’s aimed at me, because it wouldn’t be like you to be passive aggressive. I’ve never back peddled, I’ll refer you to my very first post here which are still my feelings on it all. It’s possible to have a spectrum of emotions when there are a lot of dynamics at play:

People shouldn’t have to caveat or punctuate every single post with how tragic and sad this is. Surely that’s a given? Whatever your personal feelings on the girl you’d want to be an absolute gowl of the highest order not to think it was all desperately sad.
But I’ll await another passive aggressive reply.

If I was talking about you i would have quoted you and spoken to you DIRECTLY. Like I did yesterday. Nothing passive or aggressive in how I responded to you yesterday. You really need to get over it. I have no fear in posting with you directly, if I have something to say to you.

I was talking about some of the media outlets and their reaction this morning, which was prompted by Andrew Boyle's post last night.

However if you feel I was aiming it at you, perhaps that's something you need to think about.

retro:electro · 18-02-2020 01:23PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

If I was talking about you i would have quoted you and spoken to you DIRECTLY. Like I did yesterday. Nothing passive or aggressive in how I responded to you yesterday. You really need to get over it. I have no fear in posting with you directly, if I have something to say to you.

I was talking about some of the media outlets and their reaction this morning, which was prompted by Andrew Boyle's post last night.

However if you feel I was aiming it at you, perhaps that's something you need to think about.

Sure you would have. What’s that you were saying about back peddling again :pac:

Hannibal_Smith · 18-02-2020 01:26PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Sure you would have. What’s that you were saying about back peddling again :pac:

I didnt even see your post when I was posting.

Why are you trying to make yourself out to be a victim. Youve taken something to heart that wasn't even meant for you. The thread and my posts arent about you, unless i mention you, quote you or otherwise.

Stevieluvsye · 18-02-2020 01:26PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

did the media even cross a line with her in the first place

Think it was more your common joe on twitter giving her a hard time

Everyone getting some of the blame. Crazy it is

CPS
Social Media
Media

SusieBlue · 18-02-2020 01:26PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

They weren't hired as staff by anybody they were performers. Being a presenter where you are hired by a company is very different.

Why was Melanie Sykes hired by the BBC?

I am not making anything a gender war, there is a reality if different public opinion and punishment both judicial and public opinion.

Come off it, of course they were hired, they were hired by record labels and as brand ambassadors.
Why weren't they dropped from their labels, why weren't their tours cancelled, their new albums scrapped, why did all those brands continue to associate with them after what they did?
Because they still had a lot of public support and a lot of adoring fans.
So don't try to make out that a man would have it harder just based on his gender when there is plenty of evidence to support otherwise.

Some peoples careers recover after major incidents, some peoples don't.
It has nothing to do with gender.

Hannibal_Smith · 18-02-2020 01:32PM

Beckham Massive AcrossL wrote: »

Caroline Flacks Twitter header reads 'Normal is the cruelest of all insults'.

Media presence for certain people who want to feel special, unique, loved........ it's a double edged sword that can quickly turn from fawning fans to insults and critique.

Social media has been proven to elevate narcissism and attention seeking personalities. There's so many now that they have inadvertently become mainstream, the new normal.

I do think its terrible that whatever Caroline Flacks issues were that she felt there was only one way out.

She seemed to have good family and friends supporting her but public opinion appeared to mean a lot to her as well.

Sad that she thought there was no other way and I hope her family and friends can pull through.

I dont know whether they're prepared for it. You hear so much from celebrities saying they werent ready for how much people look into your life.

I think the media set the trend on who to like/dislike and people feed into it from there.

dubstarr · 18-02-2020 01:33PM

Its a double edged sword though.If the Media didnt cover her alleged assault and then she went on to do some serious damage.Questions would have been asked.

You only have to read threads about super injunctions and when it finally comes out,people are up in arms about not being told.

She had pelenty of family,money for teh best help and she still killed herself.Sometimes they feel its the only way out.

retro:electro · 18-02-2020 01:52PM

Stephanie Davis all over the media using Caroline’s death as a vehicle for her own self serving reasons. Crying about more safeguarding for celebrities when she’ll be in the very rags she’s demonising next week doing staged pap walks showcasing her bikini bod on her all expenses paid trip to Dubai, and flog then pics to the highest bidder. It just makes no sense.

Hammer89 · 18-02-2020 01:56PM

sashafierce wrote: »

Same I've felt down ever since I heard the news Saturday evening. I followed her from I'm a celeb, Xtra factor, xfactor, SCD, Love Island, The Bake off and all in between and found a lot of topics she discussed I related to (being single, anxiety, not wanting kids, her body insecurities amoungst a few others) so I choose to judge on what I seen of her not what a newspaper portrayed her as!

I feel a certain way about it too. I've never watched a single episode of Love Island but I'd seen her on X-Factor and always thought she seemed very nice and affable, and had a wonderful chemistry with Olly Murs who I imagine is distraught. I always think it's such a beautiful thing when a straight man and a straight woman can be so comfortable together platonically, especially two good looking people who wouldn't be a mismatch romantically, but I never picked up on anywhere near as much sexual tension as there could've been, because it wasn't tense, or awkward and that's why it worked.

Sardonicat · 18-02-2020 01:58PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Stephanie Davis all over the media using Caroline’s death as a vehicle for her own self serving reasons. Crying about more safeguarding for celebrities when she’ll be in the very rags she’s demonising next week doing staged pap walks showcasing her bikini bod on her all expenses paid trip to Dubai, and flog then pics to the highest bidder. It just makes no sense.

And I wonder how long before that gaping chasm of need completely unravels? Another one who shouldn't be anywhere near publicity but can't seem to live without the attention

Sardonicat · 18-02-2020 02:00PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

I feel a certain way about it too. I've never watched a single episode of Love Island but I'd seen her on X-Factor and always thought she seemed very nice and affable, and had a wonderful chemistry with Olly Murs who I imagine is distraught. I always think it's such a beautiful thing when a straight man and a straight woman can be so comfortable together platonically, especially two good looking people who wouldn't be a mismatch romantically, but I never picked up on anywhere near as much sexual tension as there could've been, because it wasn't tense, or awkward and that's why it worked.

It also wasn't real, you know?

Harleen Quinzel · 18-02-2020 02:04PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Stephanie Davis all over the media using Caroline’s death as a vehicle for her own self serving reasons. Crying about more safeguarding for celebrities when she’ll be in the very rags she’s demonising next week doing staged pap walks showcasing her bikini bod on her all expenses paid trip to Dubai, and flog then pics to the highest bidder. It just makes no sense.

This really winds me up tbh.

All these people decrying social media and newspaper/magazines etc.
Will they turn their backs on them and close their accounts?
Refuse to do interviews or big money exclusive magazine deals?

Not a chance.

It’s tragic that anyone feels they have no choice but to end their life, I have every sympathy for Caroline’s family and loved ones, but the bandwagoning from all the “celebs” is nauseating.

Hammer89 · 18-02-2020 02:08PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

It also wasn't real, you know?

What wasn't real?

Stevieluvsye · 18-02-2020 02:09PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Stephanie Davis all over the media using Caroline’s death as a vehicle for her own self serving reasons. Crying about more safeguarding for celebrities when she’ll be in the very rags she’s demonising next week doing staged pap walks showcasing her bikini bod on her all expenses paid trip to Dubai, and flog then pics to the highest bidder. It just makes no sense.

She's a fcuking idiot that one

Johnny Sausage · 18-02-2020 02:11PM

this thread is a cesspit

MOR316 · 18-02-2020 02:16PM

Whilst the media are awful, the people who buy into their gossip and no substance headlines are just as bad, if not worse

retro:electro · 18-02-2020 03:13PM

Harleen Quinzel wrote: »

This really winds me up tbh.

All these people decrying social media and newspaper/magazines etc.
Will they turn their backs on them and close their accounts?
Refuse to do interviews or big money exclusive magazine deals?

Not a chance.

It’s tragic that anyone feels they have no choice but to end their life, I have every sympathy for Caroline’s family and loved ones, but the bandwagoning from all the “celebs” is nauseating.

And the absolute irony that the ones crying media intrusion are a subset of the biggest media whores going. Davis, Katona, Nicola McLean, all have a long history of using the press to their advantage for years. Would it ever occur to them to maybe not invite the paps on their paid for holidays, not invite the cameras into their home for their four page spread, or not flaunt aspects of their lives that should be kept private and plaster it on Instagram.

Of course not. You can’t on the one hand pique public interest and invite attention to your life, and then cry and moan about intrusion when the attention isn’t favourable. If people are printing downright lies then sue them. But these people aren’t actual celebrities, just professional spongers who don’t actually do anything and are only famous because of their tragic love lives or some scandal. Without the very papers they’re criticising they’d be on the dole.

ShimSlady · 18-02-2020 03:15PM

Laura Whitmore laying into social media and the red tops is nauseating. She has built her career by using both to her advantage.

For a supposed friend of Flack she had no issue gloating about how much she was enjoying the Love Island job on her instagram account.

It must have been heartbreaking for Flack to be reminded by her "friend" what she was missing out on every single day.

I give it a week before we see Whitmore on the red carpet again posing for the gutter press.

Boggles · 18-02-2020 03:24PM

ShimSlady wrote: »

Laura Whitmore laying into social media and the red tops is absolutely nauseating.

She asked people to be kind, that's making you physically sick?

18-02-2020 03:34PM

Whitmore is great on twitter harping on about how hard her beau has it. Not one condolence from her twitter regarding Flacks family who are sidelined by trash tv and "slebs"

Hannibal_Smith · 18-02-2020 03:39PM

Harleen Quinzel wrote: »

This really winds me up tbh.

All these people decrying social media and newspaper/magazines etc.
Will they turn their backs on them and close their accounts?
Refuse to do interviews or big money exclusive magazine deals?

Not a chance.

It’s tragic that anyone feels they have no choice but to end their life, I have every sympathy for Caroline’s family and loved ones, but the bandwagoning from all the “celebs” is nauseating.

They're not decrying social media and newspapers/ magazines.

Theyre decrying the harrassment Flack got in the media and online.

Thats not the same thing.

ShimSlady · 18-02-2020 03:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

She asked people to be kind, that's making you physically sick?

That's not what nauseating means

claregal1 · 18-02-2020 03:41PM

ShimSlady wrote: »

Laura Whitmore laying into social media and the red tops is absolutely nauseating. She has built her career by using both to her advantage.

For a supposed friend of Flack she had no issue gloating about how much she was enjoying the Love Island job on her instagram account.

It must have been heartbreaking for Flack to be reminded by her "friend" what she was missing out on every single day.

I give it 24 hours before we see Whitmore on the red carpet again posing for the gutter press.

Whitmore is off to the brits tonight...

Shuhada Davitt · 18-02-2020 03:45PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I think the only buzzwords you missed in your post were "snowflakes" and "boomers".

I find the level of hostility and aggression and lack of compassion in your posts to be worrying.
Why do you care so much that some people find it upsetting that a person took their own life? Who made you the authority on the matter?

Its quite pathetic actually that you are taking such pleasure in dehumanising and devaluing the life of a person who committed suicide. You seem almost gleeful.
We get it, you don't give a f*ck that she's dead, you're so edgy.

People care because suicide is an issue that has touched almost everyone, and no one should be rejoicing at the death of another. Its just pathetic.

whatever about disagreeing with what the poster said, but you have constructed your post above in such a manner that it's making you almost hypocritical in a sense. you are going on about having empathy and caring for peoples lives, when you are taking a very nasty turn here on living people who have a differing opinion or outlook than yours. it's kind of proving the other posters point - that people are so wrapped up in this "celebrity" nonsense that it is warping their views and how they see the world and interact with people.

you are kind of proving that it's so easy for people to get caught up in the media hype of these tragic situations to the point that it is making you say one thing about "having empathy and sympathy" when you are not extending that to the people you are interacting with on here.

i didnt read that posters posts as being aggressive or that they are taking "glee" in the death of caroline flack, rather that you took the opportunity to hound them into submitting to your point and tried to paint them as being horrible for stating a few facts. facts that yes are hard to swallow, but they are still facts nonetheless. people need to step away from instagram and stop jumping on the bandwagon with these things.

as the poster said, there are thousands of suicides a day around the world, but yet, all of a sudden you're a tyrant for even alluding to the fact that Ms. Flack had problems and was an abuser and all the other negatives. nobody is dancing on her grave.

it's a tragedy, but that should not stop discussion in a rational way, and also doesnt give you a right to degrade someone and make them out to be some sort of hateful weirdo just because you're too soft to appreciate the facts of life.

Caroline Flack found dead

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