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Caroline Flack found dead

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  • #1052
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Tork wrote: »
    And attacking him when he's conscious isn't?

    No, not at all. But if he was asleep, it would make things far worse, no? Otherwise why would it be mentioned?


  • #1053
    Heat_Wave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Heat_Wave


    ToddDameron wrote: »
    It's disturbing that some posters are doing their very best to either dismiss the possibility that Caroline Flack assaulted her boyfriend, or dismiss the incident as a trivial spat.

    You just hit the nail on the head with “possibility”. We do not know the facts and it should not be “trial by media”. For all we know, the claim could be total BS yet she’s received a torrent of abuse. It’s disgusting.


  • #1054
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    anewme wrote: »
    He was hosting the NTA awards and someone was dressed up as the Hedgehog off the masked singer and he said something like " great to see Caroline Flack back on TV"
    He said this after she died ? :confused:


  • #1055
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    He said this after she died ? :confused:

    No. It was a couple of weeks ago.


  • #1056
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Heat_Wave wrote: »
    You just hit the nail on the head with “possibility”. We do not know the facts and it should not be “trial by media”. For all we know, the claim could be total BS yet she’s received a torrent of abuse. It’s disgusting.

    Normally I would agree with innocent until proven guilty however the powers that be seemed to think they had a case, the police saw blood everywhere, her ex implied the same thing happened to him.....

    Sure, innocent until proven guilty however if she was innocent surely it would be a straightforward thing to clear up any misunderstandings with the police?


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  • #1057
    Be right back
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Be right back


    I feel terribly sorry for her dad who found her. Who really knows what was going on in her private life? May she rest in peace.


  • #1058
    claregal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭claregal1


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    She was previously engaged to someone else, Andrew Brady, and that ended. And after she got arrested, he sent out some message like 'the Truth always comes out'. He then followed it up with something like 'looks like my 2018 (when he was in a relationship with Flack) is looking like someone else's 2019'.

    She had done this before, according to reports.
    There wasn't really anything that I think could have been done. If she was going to do something drastic, she sounds like she would have done it sooner or later.

    He has also come out apologising for contributing to some of it ..some screen shots attached from his statement on Instagram..


  • #1059
    Blanco100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    claregal1 wrote: »
    He has also come out apologising for contributing to some of it ..some screen shots attached from his statement on Instagram..

    What the hell is wrong with people cc'ing the whole world in their personal business

    #blamethemedia must be trending. Did this goon not have a pop himself, leopards not changing their spots etc....


  • #1060
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    claregal1 wrote: »
    He has also come out apologising for contributing to some of it ..some screen shots attached from his statement on Instagram..

    His original statements about domestic violence came via his own Instagram account also, he can’t claim that the media misquoted; it was his account.

    It’s all damage limitation for these social media darlings now, rewriting history for their own agendas.


  • #1061
    claregal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭claregal1


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    His original statements about domestic violence came via his own Instagram account also, he can’t claim that the media misquoted; it was his account.

    It’s all damage limitation for these social media darlings now, rewriting history for their own agendas.
    I totally agree . All these celebrities posting private messages and bits of Caroline's private life all over Instagram is shocking to say the least. Whilst it is very tragic that she has taken her own life through suicide and it's very sad that she felt this was her way out - I'm beginning to tune out now with everyone jumping on the bandwagon .


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  • #1062
    Blanco100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    claregal1 wrote: »
    I totally agree . All these celebrities posting private messages and bits of Caroline's private life all over Instagram is shocking to say the least. Whilst it is very tragic that she has taken her own life through suicide and it's very sad that she felt this was her way out - I'm beginning to tune out now with everyone jumping on the bandwagon .

    Her family should make a statement asking "friends" to refrain from making self serving statements and tributes on social media.


  • #1063
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,185 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    His original statements about domestic violence came via his own Instagram account also, he can’t claim that the media misquoted; it was his account.

    It’s all damage limitation for these social media darlings now, rewriting history for their own agendas.

    The amount of arse covering, focus shifting and focus grabbing that is going on in the wake of Ms Flack's death is only to be expected.

    The awkward moment you are drowning and realize that to save yourself you need to stand on your shipmates shoulder's...

    When gainful employment in some aspects of the media is so entwined with follower counts it is only to be expected.


  • #1064
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Be right back wrote: »
    I feel terribly sorry for her dad who found her. Who really knows what was going on in her private life? May she rest in peace.

    Tbf, similar thing happened with one former participant on the show. A former contestant took her own life, her fiancee found her.
    Months afterwards, he took his own life.
    (Not that I'm saying her dad will. At least, I hope not)

    You had all kinds of defenders coming out then. I doubt even Flack said too much.
    (Btw, still not blaming the show.)


  • #1065
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    Her family should make a statement asking "friends" to refrain from making self serving statements and tributes on social media.

    I'd say her family have more things to worry about. At some point, personal responsibility plays a part.


  • #1066
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,870 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    claregal1 wrote: »
    He has also come out apologising for contributing to some of it ..some screen shots attached from his statement on Instagram..

    Yesterday's post by him looked like a drunken ramble. It was all over the place.
    Very strong sentiments.
    Is it just me or has his post about NDAs and toxic relationships now disappeared?

    To thine own self be true



  • #1067
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,672 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jackboy wrote: »
    He called the police. When the police arrived the place was covered in blood and he had a cut to the head. Maybe she had slashed her wrists which could have accounted for some of the blood. However, there is clearly enough here for a trial. The both of them denying the event afterwards is not enough to cancel the trial.

    I never suggested it was.

    But again you need to look objectively of the facts of the case, now we can do that with some hindsight. But there was enough information there to suggest that it should not have went to trial.

    The CPS were quick out of the blocks to state they did everything above board.

    But they failed to mention they are obliged to consider the mental state of the alleged perpetrator and factor that into their decision to prosecute among several other factors.

    That alleged perpetrator killed themselves.

    So yes the CPS do have questions to answer.

    Does that automatically mean they are in the wrong. No.

    But I will imagine they will have to explain themselves a bit more thoroughly than tweeting out 2 generic lines, certain legal commentators have suggested of which by themselves this case doesn't even meet that threshold.

    As for gutter scum media, they are certainly responsible by their actions.

    But the British won't do anything about it, even in the aftermath of a Royal leaving the family because of them.

    Little Briton took the tabloids side.

    It will take another generation to kill that mindset, maybe being an island on the periphery of a progressive union will focus the mind a bit sharper and they might get there a bit sooner.


  • #1068
    claregal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭claregal1


    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    Yesterday's post by him looked like a drunken ramble. It was all over the place.
    Very strong sentiments.
    Is it just me or has his post about NDAs and toxic relationships now disappeared?

    All gone now as far as I can see ...


  • #1069
    Brendan Flowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    DavidLyons_ wrote: »
    This person was famous for making inane, shallow, braindead drivel for the drooling hunzos and vapid, vacuous gobsh1tes.

    I assume the "drivel" you refer to includes I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here?


  • #1070
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,055 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    0127647 wrote: »
    Tweets on this subject confirm to me there are vast swathes of humanity that are beyond stupid.

    One guy is claiming the showing of police cam footage of the night flack was arrested shouldn't be shown cos we all have good and bad days lol

    Yeah Jodie Marsh and her followers reckon it was all a set up and everyone was in on it :rolleyes:


  • #1071
    [Deleted User]
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    Boggles wrote: »

    As for gutter scum media, they are certainly responsible by their actions.

    But the British won't do anything about it, even in the aftermath of a Royal leaving the family because of them.

    Little Briton took the tabloids side.

    It will take another generation to kill that mindset, maybe being an island on the periphery of a progressive union will focus the mind a bit sharper and they might get there a bit sooner.

    I don't see how the tabloids are responsible for her suicide. They reported on her arrest for assault. I don't see any evidence of them doing anything wrong in this case, unless I am missing something.


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  • #1072
    sashafierce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭sashafierce


    She must of felt like so many people we against her. I can't imagine something happening with a current boyfriend and out of the woodwork comes an ex posting on social media about it.

    God I wish this never happened. I liked her so much x


  • #1073
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They reported on her arrest for assault.
    There's stretching the truth, and then there's just being ridiculous.

    They didn't just report on her arrest. They filled pages with speculation and photos and anecdotes. For weeks.

    If there was one day where there was one 300-word article in each paper saying that Flack had been arrested for an alleged assault, then you could argue that they were just reporting on the news.

    But there was wasn't. This wasn't reporting. This was gossip. Constant, unending, unsubstantiated gossip.

    I defy any human being to maintain their mental health in half-decent shape when part of the media are incessantly gossiping about you publically to millions of readers and across airwaves and the internet.

    Imagine you heard a story about a school pupil who killed themselves after being subjected to constant bullying - other kids making up rumours about them, spreading lies publically and unashamedly, writing things on bathroom walls, sharing unflattering photos on social media, making vile comments on social media.
    You would blame the bullies. You'd ask where the parents were, where the school was, why this constant abuse of an individual was allowed to go unchecked.

    Yet when the media does it, people seem content to look the other way. "Ah sure, you know, she's famous, and they're just reporting the news".


  • #1074
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    https://twitter.com/BigBoyler/status/1229451551724277760?s=19

    This is a tweet from Irish comedian/actor Chris O Dowd. Anything for a pic eh!! I know some celebrities court the media. Some do it to stay relevant. In this instance Caroline didn't need to do that. Her death is tragic. I feel so bad for her family. She should be at her parents funerals not the other way round. She made a horrible mistake that's for sure but there's always another way to cope. If only she could have seen that. If any of you here are feeling down or anything please talk to someone.


  • #1075
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't see how the tabloids are responsible for her suicide. They reported on her arrest for assault. I don't see any evidence of them doing anything wrong in this case, unless I am missing something.

    You are.


  • #1076
    Porklife
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    sashafierce wrote: »
    She must of felt like so many people we against her. I can't imagine something happening with a current boyfriend and out of the woodwork comes an ex posting on social media about it.

    God I wish this never happened. I liked her so much x

    You didn't know her though, you liked how she presented herself or who you assumed she was but you didn't actually know her.

    I think the very fact that she allegedly attacked her boyfriend, sleeping or otherwise after reading a text message shows a clear sign of mental instability. If she had larcerations on her wrists at the same it further cements this. Finding out somebody is cheating on you is horrific (I've been there so I know the pain) but your reaction shouldn't be to attack them. The girl was obviously unwell and even told paramedics the night before that she was suicidal.

    Obviously nobody thinks her assault was justified (that is of course if she did it) but ultimately it is irrelevant now. The woman took her own life. If she was guilty of the crime that surely that is punishment enough. My personal view is that she probably did hit him with the lamp and was so terrified of the truth coming out and a long and arduous trial that she just couldn't handle it and instead took her own life.

    It can't be easy living in the public eye and being surrounded by young beautiful women on a daily basis. She was clearly struggling to cope with it all and it has sadly ended in tragedy.


  • #1077
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭Tork


    The re-writing of the narrative bothers me. It's taking it away from the core fact that a serious domestic violence incident occurred and that women are just as capable as men of inflicting serious injuries on their partners. The minimising of this incident is well underway. Just about everyone connected to her exists in the world of social media so they've all got plenty to say and it's all self-serving.


  • #1078
    Boggles
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    Porklife wrote: »
    My personal view is that she probably did hit him with the lamp and was so terrified of the truth coming out and a long and arduous trial that she just couldn't handle it and instead took her own life.

    It was more than likely heading for the magistrates court, 1 maybe 2 days max.

    Again people seem to be completely missing the possibility that there was a extremely strong chance she would have been found not guilty.

    Even if she was found guilty, she would have been looking at probably a fine as a first offender.

    Of course when one reads headlines like "Bedroom Bloodbath" accompanied by fake crime scene photos covered in blood, then yes I imagine certain minds could be bent into thinking we are dealing with a modern day Rose West.


  • #1079
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    sashafierce wrote: »
    She must of felt like so many people we against her. I can't imagine something happening with a current boyfriend and out of the woodwork comes an ex posting on social media about it.

    God I wish this never happened. I liked her so much x

    I liked her too. She was superb on SCD.

    When my husband started the sentence the other day and said ' You know yer one Caroline Flack...' and I just replied 'oh sh*t dont tell me she's dead'.

    If the claims were true and it all happened as is reported, I would have hoped she would have come out of it Ant Mc Partlan style.


  • #1080
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Was going to read through this thread until i got to the first"who cares" and guessed it has turned in to a sh!tshow

    Anyway, i thought Nick Ferrari made some fair points on the last word yesterday afternoon. If you didn't hear it, he pretty much said it was not the Media's fault


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  • #1081
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Boggles wrote: »
    Of course when one reads headlines like "Bedroom Bloodbath" accompanied by fake crime scene photos covered in blood, then yes I imagine certain minds could be bent into thinking we are dealing with a modern day Rose West.

    The photos were real but according to him and another report recently, the blood wasn't his.

    That's a huge piece of context that the tabloids are guilty of manipulating. It was presented in such a way that you can be left in no doubt that it was his blood, and then that enhances the drama, which in turn enhances the public's disdain for the woman.

    There's a good chance they didn't know that it wasn't his blood at the time, which makes it even worse because when a news outlet is assuming things, rather than knowing them, then Jesus, what chance do any of us have if we find ourselves in their pages one day?


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