Caroline Flack found dead

rusty cole wrote: »

if anyone saw the documentary on Barrymore two weeks ago, you'd get a good idea as to the media and their role in such downfalls. In fairness to him, he'd have had reason to do the same, his life is in tatters now even with no evidence of foul play (which I'm not sure about) but suffice it to say he's still alive and well.

I mentioned this further up the thread.

I thought it showed Barrymore in a poor light as well. It’s clear he has a lot to answer.

The media built him up, tore him down but then (big brother time) decided Barrymore should be redeemed and changed their bias again.

The bit where he used the media to push that the family forgave him was shocking. As was when the news of the world knocked on Stuart’s mam s door.

Recently they’ve targeted Meghan Markle. She did the right thing and gave them 2 fingers.

Vultures.

Raconteuse wrote: »

Mental illness and suicide have always been around.

Don't think Ian whacked Debbie over the head with a lamp while she slept at any point though.

Loughc wrote: »

And it might not have been as bad as the stories the media published. Her BF didn’t want to press charges. But we’ll never know now it didn’t go to court.

Regardless of what she did to the bf she didn’t deserve this. No one does. She deserved to be trialled and judged in a court of law not trailed by social media.

It's a well known a lot of abused partners don't bring charges for different reasons. From what I gather she took her own life after she heard the CPS were going ahead with the charges, which make me wonder about what else there was going on. I agree she deserved to be put on trial before the courts but you cannot blame media and social media for what happened. You would think in this day and age people especially celebs should know that if you are abusive it will come out sooner or later and because someone is well liked doesn't mean they get treated any differently.
What sticks in my craw is now everyone is saying she was a vulnerable person and the case should never been brought before the courts. How many times have we heard that same excuse used for murderers, rapists, abusers etc. Ah sure they were well loved, the pillar of the community and then they get an 18 month sentence.....

SusieBlue wrote: »

You keep bringing up this thread as if it’s some trump card when the circumstances were so completely different they aren’t even worth comparing.
That case had opinion split down the middle.

You said:

I brought that very thread up earlier to highlight how some will always defend a man and take issue with a victim regardless of how blindingly obviously the evidence is, and I was told it was irrelevant and didn’t matter.

That’s why I bought it up.

Now here is another where the victim is male: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058050391

Below are quotes from some female posters:

I’d say there was a pair of them in it.

It's not uncommon for victims of domestic abuse to fight back and be demonized for it. Its also not uncommon for a relationship to be mutually abusive, which I think was the case here.

far fewer men are murdered by their female partners than vice versa

Should we act like violence against women and violence against men are occurring at the same levels? NO.

And that’s a very recent thread.

Police were called and one officer described the scene like a murder due to the blood there.

Her boyfriend was sleeping and she smacked him on the head with a lamp. She apparently has a history of being abusive as well. He didn't want to press charges but police are obligated to do so.
She was due to face court in a few days as well.

It's sad she killed herself but people blaming social media are missing the huge picture to focus on a tiny speck of it.

skallywag wrote: »

Agree strongly.

If you hit someone over the head with a lamp while they are asleep, then there is a more than reasonable chance that you are going to kill them.

I am really struggling to see how there is so much sympathy for her.

It’s honestly not that difficult. Her own boyfriend, the person whom she clocked over the head with a lamp, is able to understand why she behaved the way she did. The gas thing is that because he doesn’t share the opinions of the baying mob, now he’s being vilified on social media too for sympathising with her.

Different people gonna have different perspectives is all. I don’t condone her behaviour, but the fact that she was on medication and wasn’t mentally well somewhat mitigates her culpability as far as I’m concerned. Taking her own life was too great a punishment for the humiliation she must have felt at that moment.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s honestly not that difficult. Her own boyfriend, the person whom she clocked over the head with a lamp, is able to understand why she behaved the way she did.

That sounds exactly like what someone who is the victim of physical abuse would say. They find a way to excuse the abuse. There would be no scrambling for explanations, such as a previous mental illness, if a man had done what she did, he'd be called a thug.

Raconteuse wrote: »

Bunch of psychos.

I actually despair for the human race sometimes!!!

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Her own boyfriend, the person whom she clocked over the head with a lamp, is able to understand why she behaved the way she did.

This is the part that I am really struggling with.

How can someone 'understand' why their partner hits them over the head with a lamp while they slept? This is not a case of screaming at someone, perhaps pushing each other while in argument.

She tried to kill him in my book. At the very least did not care about the consequences.

It is very sad that she saw no other way out and it’s scary to imagine how alone she must have felt.

I agree the British tabloids and social media can be toxic and have an ugly side but I’m sure her internal troubles were the main cause behind this tragedy. Whether that be loneliness, shame, guilt or helplessness.

It’s very much a chance for us to challenge ourselves in how we treat those with mental health issues. Not just the tabloids and media but as individuals. Try not to judge, remember no one is perfect, be aware of how those close to you are doing, try to offer a listening ear it can make such a difference.

Money and fame certainly can’t buy this.

skallywag wrote:

How can someone 'understand' why their partner hits them over the head with a lamp while they slept? This is not a case of screaming at someone, perhaps pushing each other while in argument.

Because he knew her.

Her mental illness and the extent of it was known to him. Thankfully, I have never been violent towards my partner when I have an "episode" but I definitely act out of character and am essentially a different person when it takes hold of me.

It's very sad and Caroline was a deeply flawed individual who did horrific things.

Nobody disputes that.

What some people are saying is that the role of the media (which she courted for her own benefit) no longer is there to inform, but to entertain.

It's always been that way I suppose but in cases like this, it's a stark reminder that there is a huge price to pay for fame.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.