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"None of our children on the list are getting these houses"

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  • 16-02-2020 2:29pm
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    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭


    Interesting article in the IT.

    At first glance you think on reading the title this is a racism thing or something but when you read the article deeply it actually becomes much more important and more worrying for other reasons.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/house-the-irish-first-group-halts-building-work-on-65-social-homes-in-west-dublin-1.4174252

    “We watch these houses being built, and none of our children on the list are getting them,” said one woman in her 50s, who did not want to be identified. “They can be 10, 12 years on the list, and they’re going nowhere. There’s no explanation as to why.”

    ....

    Celine Corish (27) said she is living with her sons aged nine and five in her mother’s three-bedroom house with 10 other people.

    “There’s one bathroom. I share a bedroom with my sister, her two kids and my two kids. There’s damp all over the walls and ceiling. We got the council out and they said the damp is because it’s so over-crowded. I’m 7½ years on the list, number 860.” She said she has been told she will be waiting seven to 10 more years to be housed.

    ...

    Yeh should read the rest which is in the same vein.

    The entitlement is strong in this article.

    No mention of going to college, getting a job, renting a place, getting a mortgage.

    They mention the furiners though.

    They want the houses for their adult children who expect to be housed. It's a cradle to grave outlook of how the state will look after them.

    It's quite worrying really as to where our peculiar brand of welfare state is taking society.

    Somebody is paying the bill.


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    #2
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    If don't have your own place to live or can't provide them with the living conditions you'd like then why have kids?


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    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Interesting article in the IT.

    At first glance you think on reading the title this is a racism thing or something but when you read the article deeply it actually becomes much more important and more worrying for other reasons.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/house-the-irish-first-group-halts-building-work-on-65-social-homes-in-west-dublin-1.4174252




    Yeh should read the rest which is in the same vein.

    The entitlement is strong in this article.

    No mention of going to college, getting a job, renting a place, getting a mortgage.

    They mention the furiners though.

    They want the houses for their adult children who expect to be housed. It's a cradle to grave outlook of how the state will look after them.

    It's quite worrying really as to where our peculiar brand of welfare state is taking society.

    Somebody is paying the bill.

    By furriners they mean furriners outside the area, they just want more houses to go to local people, Africans , Asians etc as well. I think they do have a point of sorts but until there is enough of a supply it'll be council lists that will decide.


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    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I live in the area and I'm embarrassed for them. It's a tiny group of about 8 people who are involved. They have shut the site down. I can't understand why it's allowed continue.


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    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,843 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    meh, government offer a free housing and people wonder why people would hold out for it? LOL!

    whats the altertnative? try save a deposit, by existing for years, living at home or in a kip, then paying a marginal tax rate of FIFTY percent?


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    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    is_that_so wrote: »
    By furriners they mean furriners outside the area, they just want more houses to go to local people, Africans , Asians etc as well. I think they do have a point of sorts but until there is enough of a supply it'll be council lists that will decide.

    No they want the houses to go to the people living in the area ie adults living with their parents.


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    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No they want the houses to go to the people living in the area ie adults living with their parents.
    Read


    all


    the


    way


    through


    the


    article!


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    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    LessOutragePlz wrote:
    If don't have your own place to live or can't provide them with the living conditions you'd like then why have kids?


    So if your kids already exist, give them back?


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    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    So if your kids already exist, give them back?

    Where did I say that?

    Just asking a genuine question.


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    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,553 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    So if your kids already exist, give them back?

    Ultra late term abortion ;)


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    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Read


    all


    the


    way


    through


    the


    article!

    That might be the acceptable version they have given the press but they are a bit more honest about their wishes in person.


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    RonanG86
    Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    7 and a half years and 859 people are ahead of her? I know the housing list is really long in some parts of Dublin, but seems far-fetched.

    Wouldn't surprise me if she forgot to complete her re-assessment, or didn't receive it because she moved without telling the Council, and lost her waiting points.

    Also quite a lot of Councils don't actually directly number you anymore because of different areas, different house requirements and people on the list losing / gaining points as their circumstances change.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    I live in the area and I'm embarrassed for them. It's a tiny group of about 8 people who are involved. They have shut the site down. I can't understand why it's allowed continue.

    There was another group of only 15 people a few weeks ago that got national coverage from RTE Radio. And yet anti-immigration groups will insist that you're 'not allowed' talk about such issues.


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    padd b1975
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    I live in the area and I'm embarrassed for them. It's a tiny group of about 8 people who are involved. They have shut the site down. I can't understand why it's allowed continue.

    PEACEFUL PROTEST!!


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    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    banie01 wrote:
    Ultra late term abortion


    Just drop them back to the hospital they came from, at any age, I can't see the problem


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    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Harika


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    So if your kids already exist, give them back?

    Look,teenage pregnancy happens, if that happens and you have no place to stay maybe hold back or use contraception. What's missing in the story is the whereabouts of the father(s) . The social system is there for people in a hole, not people in a hole who dig themselves in deeper every day.
    Btw a common theme in those stories are people in their 20s already 10 years on the housing list, like they never even tried.


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    Turtyturd
    Registered Users Posts: 28,395 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    It’s a fairly sad existence...






















    ...to constantly seek out stuff like this so you can rush and post it here.


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    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Harika wrote: »
    Btw a common theme in those stories are people in their 20s already 10 years on the housing list, like they never even tried.
    its their lifestyle. they'd no more consider providing their own housing than they'd consider holding off on having children until they were financially independent.


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    Westwood
    Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Westwood


    Brand new build here in Ratoath co Meath 400 houses, 10% given to foreign nationals as council houses, not 1 Irish family, these houses start at 310k-500k, call it what you like racism or whatever but it's sickening to the stomach


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    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Interesting article in the IT.

    At first glance you think on reading the title this is a racism thing or something but when you read the article deeply it actually becomes much more important and more worrying for other reasons.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/house-the-irish-first-group-halts-building-work-on-65-social-homes-in-west-dublin-1.4174252




    Yeh should read the rest which is in the same vein.

    The entitlement is strong in this article.

    No mention of going to college, getting a job, renting a place, getting a mortgage.

    They mention the furiners though.

    They want the houses for their adult children who expect to be housed. It's a cradle to grave outlook of how the state will look after them.

    It's quite worrying really as to where our peculiar brand of welfare state is taking society.

    Somebody is paying the bill.

    Growing numbers and growing numbers of politicians promising everything free if you just vote them into power.

    I think you should have 2-3 years employment stamps to be entitled to vote, or maybe give them a “half vote”

    They intentionally contribute nothing to the state, scrounge for their whole lifetime, and yet we give them a say on how the state is ran. That’s not democracy, it’s stupidity


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    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Westwood wrote: »
    Brand new build here in Ratoath co Meath 400 houses, 10% given to foreign nationals as council houses, not 1 Irish family, these houses start at 310k-500k, call it what you like racism or whatever but it's sickening to the stomach

    As a matter of interest who did you vote for in the recent election?


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    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    _Brian wrote:
    They intentionally contribute nothing to the state, scrounge for their whole lifetime, and yet we give them a say on how the state is ran. That’s not democracy, it’s stupidity


    How much should people be earning, in order to gain a full vote?


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    RonanG86
    Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    AFAIK, you have to have been employed for 52 continuous weeks in Ireland to be entitled to Social Housing Support at some point in the past few years (think it's 5) if you're non-EU.

    Dunno about if you are EU though. I'd imagine said stipulation does not exist because of the free movement principle.


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    mcgragger
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭mcgragger


    I had to get a job and work my bollox off to pay for the one I am in and keep working to pay the mortgage.

    And before people start jumping up and down I am from that area. It was my lifes mission to get out of it without a handout.


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    RonanG86
    Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    How much should people be earning, in order to gain a full vote?

    Yeah, someone hasn't heard of the concept of universal sufferage. How about we go back to only rich, male, Protestant Landlords voting. Bring back the 18th century!


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    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Harika


    Westwood wrote: »
    Brand new build here in Ratoath co Meath 400 houses, 10% given to foreign nationals as council houses, not 1 Irish family, these houses start at 310k-500k, call it what you like racism or whatever but it's sickening to the stomach

    Who should be given council houses: People who need them most or people who feel entitled to them?


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    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Westwood wrote: »
    Brand new build here in Ratoath co Meath 400 houses, 10% given to foreign nationals as council houses, not 1 Irish family, these houses start at 310k-500k, call it what you like racism or whatever but it's sickening to the stomach


    The council giving housing to the most in need then it goes down the list.


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    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    I read the entire article and not a father in sight. It's a whole multi-generational subculture where women keep having kids while on waiting list and fathers just disappear.
    What we do know is the list for the girls from around here has not dropped, and non-national families are moving in. We are tired of seeing the girls move out of the area, away from their family supports.


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    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    How much should people be earning, in order to gain a full vote?

    Like other entitlements, 2 years Prsi employment contributions would be a good start and not linked to income.


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    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Harika


    RonanG86 wrote: »
    AFAIK, you have to have been employed for 52 continuous weeks in Ireland to be entitled to Social Housing Support at some point in the past few years (think it's 5) if you're non-EU.

    Dunno about if you are EU though. I'd imagine said stipulation does not exist because of the free movement principle.


    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/local_authority_and_social_housing/applying_for_local_authority_housing.html

    All you need is to be in need.


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    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    strandroad wrote: »
    I read the entire article and not a father in sight. It's a whole multi-generational subculture where women keep having kids while on waiting list and fathers just disappear.

    I think they also dont mention fathers as its more of a pity story then.


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    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    handlemaster wrote: »
    The council giving housing to the most in need then it goes down the list.

    We need to call these people out, they see need based on skin colour and accent.


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