Caroline Flack found dead

suicide_circus · 16-02-2020 09:27AM

When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change. The devil changes you.

Ms Flack put herself front and centre of the narcissistic trash culture lapped up by mob. She got abuse on twitter and instagram yet in never occurred to her to delete the apps because they were the tools of her trade.

If her death makes a few young people rethink the attractiveness of this vapid and empty way of life then some good will have come out of it.

RIP

16-02-2020 09:27AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Proof?

The policeman who attended at the scene, he stated the circumstances in court on the day she was charged.

Still waters · 16-02-2020 09:28AM

Pagluica wrote: »

The media and feminist attack dogs should have a good hard look in the mirror before they pick their next victim. It's disgusting.

I don't get this sort of thinking, are you seriously blaming them for her death, it suits people like flack to court the media and entertain them when their star is on the rise but when things go wrong they've to be treated with kid gloves and handled carefully in case of "mental health issues" they can't have it every way, she had a glowing career, endless opportunities that most people ever only dream of and set on a path that would let her live a very affluent lifestyle, you could say she had it all but having it all is sometimes not enough, these pampered, idolised, fawned over faux celebrities want their cake and eat it too.

It's terrible what she has done when the world was at her feet and she obviously had serious problems to resort to this type of action but the blame lies squarely at her feet, and to blame the media or even the cps is avoiding the real issue, like many that went before her it was all rosy when things were going well but they lack the understanding and capabilities to deal with problems when the shìt hits the fan, the problem of idolised spoilt pampered rich detatched celebrities i guess

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 09:28AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don’t think it’s cloud cuckoo land at all. It’s often the case that people will feel sympathy and affinity with a person accused of abuse and may see them as the victim. In most cases it’s gonna happen where the accused is a woman. That’s just reality.

In what cloud cuckoo land does anyone imagine that men and women are regarded equally? Seems to be when women do shìtty things there are people out to try and equate their shìtty behaviour with the shìtty behaviour perpetrated by men. Most people don’t view them the same way, not just based on the persons sex, but there’s a whole load of different factors feed into that.

See I think my reason for feeling such sympathy for Caroline is because of my own experience in a hellish relationship. I remember my ex telling me his mates thought I was mad but he never told them he cheated on me. So again anyone outside a relationship doesn't know the full story just like we don't here so we should be kinder towards the people involved.

One eyed Jack · 16-02-2020 09:34AM

Pagluica wrote: »

This tends to be why women are treated more leniently by the courts.

No, one of the reasons women appear to be treated more leniently by the courts is because of the reality that in general they don’t exhibit anything near the same level of violence as men.

blade1 · 16-02-2020 09:35AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Leaving out that she killed herself, in what CUCKOO land does a person read about serious violent domestic abuse and feel sympathy and affinity with the alleged abuser rather than the victim?

You literally seem to be saying he probably deserved it

Probably in a world where the victim probably thought by going ahead with the charges would cause more bad than good.
He's an even bigger victim now I think as he's left being linked to her death(through no fault of his own seemingly,or very little) for the rest of his life.

16-02-2020 09:36AM

sashafierce wrote: »

But no one is a saint. Everyone makes mistakes. In this case even the victim in question didn't want it going any further.
Maybe I feel for her because I put myself in her shoes and wonder what made her do what she done to him. There was rumours of cheating on his behalf. I remember myself when I woke up during the night and found out my abusive ex was cheating I picked up the first think I could find (a book I think) a threw it. Obviously different cases but no one only me knows what happened there and no one only Caroline knows what happened in her case. However, the constant scrutiny and humiliation she must of felt was not fair.
I actually haven't been able to sleep tonight thinking of her. The whole cancel culture thing that goes on disgusts me.

You need to get help for your violent tendencies before you do some damage.
There is no excuse for violence against anyone, particularly domestic violence against your partner.
Nobody but her made her do what she did. Don't try to justify it.

Oh & FYI, domestic violence victims never want to go ahead with complaints. That's why they are domestic violence victims.

munster87 · 16-02-2020 09:36AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No, one of the reasons women appear to be treated more leniently by the courts is because of the reality that in general they don’t exhibit anything near the same level of violence as men.

I suppose there’s an old lesson there, never judge a book by its cover.

anewme · 16-02-2020 09:41AM

blade1 wrote: »

He's an even bigger victim now I think as he's left being linked to her death(through no fault of his own seemingly,or very little) for the rest of his life.

I really hope someone is looking after that chap at the moment. He's in a very vulnerable position.

One eyed Jack · 16-02-2020 09:46AM

Pagluica wrote: »

To elaborate, women are treated more leniently for the same crimes and circumstances. Likewise good looking people are treated more leniently than those who are not good looking.

Human beings are biased, there is no doubt about that. Studies have repeatedly shown those to be the case, and shown that courts are biased.A good looking person will garner more sympathy than a person not blessed with good looks.

They’re clearly not the same circumstances if all you’ve done is reversed the genders - immediately that changes the circumstances. That’s why simply reversing the genders doesn’t map to reality, because it can’t, never mind the idiots who try to make out that it’s terrible that people don’t see men and women the same way in all circumstances.

suicide_circus · 16-02-2020 09:46AM

Love Island and its ancestors such as Big Brother are essentially freak shows, except the exhibits are disfigured on the inside rather than the outside.

blade1 · 16-02-2020 09:46AM

Pagluica wrote: »

Likewise good looking people are treated more leniently than those who are not good looking.

I'd get away with murder so

Tom Mann Centuria · 16-02-2020 09:51AM

Pagluica wrote: »

To elaborate, women are treated more leniently for the same crimes and circumstances. Likewise good looking people are treated more leniently than those who are not good looking.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. This young woman, who is in no way ugly got 7 and a half years for the abuse she inflicted on her partner a couple of years ago. I think that would be in line with what I'd expect a man to get, maybe she got more than I would expect actually.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43799850

Gynoid · 16-02-2020 09:56AM

Horrible that she killed herself, it is such a bleak act, a friend did it last year, it leaves bewildering calamity in its wake.

Coinciding with holding the above thought I also think that hitting a sleeping person, who is utterly defenseless, over the head, the most vulnerable part of the body, with any object, but especially something heavy, is the very essence of a murderous act. I would argue though others may disagree that it meets with any reasonable legal definition of intent to murder or seriously harm (which also is considered mens rea re murder cases). It was an atrocious thing to do and there are no justifications.

kerryjack · 16-02-2020 10:00AM

Sad end to such a beautiful women it's a pitty she couldn't get away from the madness for a while. A few days around Dingle a walk up a mountain and jump in a lake and few pints of Guinness in Dick macks pub afterwards would sort a lot of people out. RIP caroline.

JMNolan · 16-02-2020 10:10AM

I wonder with all the condemnation of twitter abuse and online abuse will Graham Lenihan get a break? Or is online trolling only wrong if it's done to women? I had a look at his twitter feed and the abuse seems to be still going, typical hypocrisy. Or maybe people here will defend this abuse while condemning abuse of Caroline?

volchitsa · 16-02-2020 10:13AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I wonder with all the condemnation of twitter abuse and online abuse will Graham Lenihan get a break? Or is online trolling only wrong if it's done to women? I had a look at his twitter feed and the abuse seems to be still going, typical hypocrisy. Or maybe people here will defend this abuse while condemning abuse of Caroline?

I'd agree with you there - although I don't think think it's mostly women who are trolling Graham Lenihan, it's mainly men, albeit some are dressed up as women.

Gynoid · 16-02-2020 10:16AM

kerryjack wrote: »

Sad end to such a beautiful women it's a pitty she couldn't get away from the madness for a while. A few days around Dingle a walk up a mountain and jump in a lake and few pints of Guinness in Dick macks pub afterwards would sort a lot of people out. RIP caroline.

If the madness is inside there is no getting away from it up a mountain. She had agency. There is something of a vibe emerging of her as a helpless victim without personal agency against a tide of madness. I don't get that.

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 10:17AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I wonder with all the condemnation of twitter abuse and online abuse will Graham Lenihan get a break? Or is online trolling only wrong if it's done to women? I had a look at his twitter feed and the abuse seems to be still going, typical hypocrisy. Or maybe people here will defend this abuse while condemning abuse of Caroline?

I don't know who he is or what he's done but I don't think anyone regardless of their actions should be trolled online by anyone. If someone does something stupid or says something stupid then let them on. If it's criminal it will be dealt with. If not then Susan down the road sending anonymous messages won't undo it.

One eyed Jack · 16-02-2020 10:22AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I wonder with all the condemnation of twitter abuse and online abuse will Graham Lenihan get a break? Or is online trolling only wrong if it's done to women? I had a look at his twitter feed and the abuse seems to be still going, typical hypocrisy. Or maybe people here will defend this abuse while condemning abuse of Caroline?

Will Graham Linehan be giving anyone a break though?

The co-creator of the hit comedy series Father Ted, Graham Linehan, has revealed how his career has suffered due to the backlash from his consistently critical campaign against trans issues and his adamant stance on gender identity.

“I think there’s just a stink around me, the stink of bigotry, you know, that has deliberately been created, by radical trans-rights activists. It has had a chilling effect.” Linehan said. Linehan had previously urged the National Lottery to withdraw funding from a charity for trans children.

Graham Linehan says that his campaigns against trans people have cost him work

uck51js9zml2yt · 16-02-2020 10:23AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm not a fan of hers or the programme she was on. Also not a fan of morons that post 'who' on a thread about a death when a link to who they were is contained in the OP.

He said that he didn't know who she was...I didn't either.
That statement doesn't exclude the possibility of reading who she was after the fact.

People really need to grow up.

Sad she's dead, terrible waste of life but I still don't know her.

volchitsa · 16-02-2020 10:24AM

sashafierce wrote: »

I don't know who he is or what he's done but I don't think anyone regardless of their actions should be trolled online by anyone. If someone does something stupid or says something stupid then let them on. If it's criminal it will be dealt with. If not then Susan down the road sending anonymous messages won't undo it.

He's involved in the anti trans rights stuff, about not letting trans women into women's toilets or take part in women's sports and the like. He gets the most awful abuse, TBF.

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 10:28AM

volchitsa wrote: »

He's involved in the anti trans rights stuff, about not letting trans women into women's toilets or take part in women's sports and the like. He gets the most awful abuse, TBF.

Sounds like a stupid opinion to be but I've no desire to troll him. Ignore him yes I can do that.

Littlehorny · 16-02-2020 10:30AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change. The devil changes you.

Ms Flack put herself front and centre of the narcissistic trash culture lapped up by mob. She got abuse on twitter and instagram yet in never occurred to her to delete the apps because they were the tools of her trade.

If her death makes a few young people rethink the attractiveness of this vapid and empty way of life then some good will have come out of it.

RIP

This is a very true statement about the cesspit of modern "celebrity". When you play with a snake eventually you'll get bitten.
Having a look through Twitter and Instagram yesterday and the amount of celebrities going on social media to give out about abuse on social media!
It's like they just have to be heard and seen 24/7, they seem to think "Caroline has dyed and it's tragic but don't forget about ME!"

One eyed Jack · 16-02-2020 10:30AM

volchitsa wrote: »

He's involved in the anti trans rights stuff, about not letting trans women into women's toilets or take part in women's sports and the like. He gets the most awful abuse, TBF.

Except that’s not really a fair assessment at all. Linehan gets back exactly what he puts out there.

That has nothing to do with Caroline Flack who didn’t deserve the crap she had to take from the media and it appears on social media she was constantly being bombarded with even worse crap. Some people the way they go on like she was evil incarnate or something, no sense of perspective themselves.

marieholmfan · 16-02-2020 10:37AM

I feel profoundly sorry for her family and hope at some stage they can heal. What a sad tragedy for them.

I am sure Miss Flack had some good qualities.

She was a former professional dancer who was allowed on Strictly Come Dancing and won ; is that normal?

She was in a position of trust and confidence with regard to a 17 year old boy when she was in her thirties and she molested him and probably introduced him to drugs.

Drug users like her are responsible for the postcode gang murders in England.

She personally had no problem profiting from love island despite the three suicides.

She could have killed her boyfriend and probably threatened him with professional destruction if he didn't drop the charges.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Except that’s not really a fair assessment at all. Linehan gets back exactly what he puts out there.

That has nothing to do with Caroline Flack who didn’t deserve the crap she had to take from the media and it appears on social media she was constantly being bombarded with even worse crap. Some people the way they go on like she was evil incarnate or something, no sense of perspective themselves.

volchitsa · 16-02-2020 10:39AM

I follow Graham Linehan, I haven't seen him being abusive to people, except if you consider that my post above is abusive. Which I would disagree with.

I agree that it's different from Caroline Flack for lots of reasons, but she was accused of a actual crime. Linehan's not. Not that it justifies her abuse either by the way. But nor is his abuse justified either.

I just think we need to do something about all the abuse that some people feel entitled to give out under cover of being pretty anonymous on Twitter and totally anonymous elsewhere. It's becoming a massive problem in today's society.

The point about Linehan is he's alive and the abuse is ongoing - so are we going to wring our hands every time someone ends up committing suicide while still excusing other examples as being different?

Boggles · 16-02-2020 10:40AM

marieholmfan wrote: »

I feel profoundly sorry for her family and hope at some stage they can heal. What a sad tragedy for them.

I am sure Miss Flack had some good qualities.

She was a former professional dancer who was allowed on Strictly Come Dancing and won ; is that normal?

She was in a position of trust and confidence with regard to a 17 year old boy when she was in her thirties and she molested him and probably introduced him to drugs.

Drug users like her are responsible for the postcode gang murders in England.

She personally had no problem profiting from love island despite the three suicides.

She could have killed her boyfriend and probably threatened him with professional destruction if he didn't drop the charges.

I also heard she invented child cancer. :rolleyes:

There is some fúckíng lunatics frequenting this site.

volchitsa · 16-02-2020 10:52AM

Boggles wrote: »

I also heard she invented child cancer. :rolleyes:

There is some fúckíng lunatics frequenting this site.

Nobody said she invented child cancer - you should put that mirror down.

If a 30-something male went out with a 17 year old girl, I personally find that unhealthy to say the least (think Roy Moore in the states). When the 30-something adult is in a position to advance the young person's career - or not - then it's worse than unhealthy, it's abusive.

I don't care whether it's a man or a woman doing it.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying that justified the abuse she got on Twitter. That's a different issue.

jackboy · 16-02-2020 10:54AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Linehan gets back exactly what he puts out there.

Not true at all. You can not equate an opinion on a topic with extreme personal abuse.

Caroline Flack found dead

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