Caroline Flack found dead

razorblunt · 16-02-2020 07:11AM

It’s getting a bit ridiculous that other celebs are coming out with “she made a mistake”. It can be both sad and true that she needed to face her actions. She smashed a lamp over her sleeping partners head. That’s serious assault at the very least. Har to categorise as a mistake.

razorblunt · 16-02-2020 07:13AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Whether she is guilty of the alleged offences or not, the media have absolutely hounded her for the last two months.
It has been relentless, the tabloids and gutter press didn’t just report on what she’s been accused of, they targeted her over and over again.

It was borderline harassment the last few weeks, and between the media, the comments under articles, Twitter and the DM’s she was no doubt getting on instagram, is this even surprising? There is only so many abusive comments a person can take.

I’m loathe to agree with Pierse Morgan but the woman had lost everything, privately, publicly, professionally and personally.
Her career was over.
She was humiliated and torn to shreds by both the general public and by the press.
Some might say deservedly so, if she was guilty of what she was accused of.
But I don’t think what she allegedly did warranted that kind of vicious treatment at all.

I have no issue with any media posting factual, verified news stories.
I don’t even really have an issue with them publishing what she was accused of, when it initially came to light. But until a trial had taken place, they had no right to persistently target her and repeatedly publish the accusations over and over again for crimes she hadn’t even been found guilty of yet.
It was a trial by media and there has to be accountability for things like this.

The virtue signalling from the ‘thoughts and prayers’ celebrity crowd has been stomach turning today.
I saw some of the journalists from The Sun sharing condolence, which is the height of hypocrisy when they’ve practically been running a hate campaign against her the last few months.

It has definitely made me rethink the media I consume, the articles I click on etc. I don’t want to support those vultures in any way and I’m going to try to be more conscious of what I click on.

May the poor woman rest in peace and finally be free from the pain she has been in.
It’s just really tragic all round for all involved.

Fück Piers Morgan. His behaviour towards Megan Markle is equally as disgraceful.
He’s also doing all those things to Jameela Jamil now too.

lawrencesummers · 16-02-2020 07:18AM

RIP.

The desire to be famous should be considered an urgent mental health problem. Why anybody wants to put themselves out there in the public is beyond me, it’s an epidemic that thousands subscribe to, chasing meaningless followers and likes on social media hoping for their 15 minutes of fame in a shallow superficial world based on narcissism and ego.

Imagine having paparazzi following you, not being able to do anything only for it to be national news, being open to abuse from online trolls. Funk that. How anybody knowingly aspires to that is beyond me.

lawrencesummers · 16-02-2020 07:22AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Whether she is guilty of the alleged offences or not, the media have absolutely hounded her for the last two months.
It has been relentless, the tabloids and gutter press didn’t just report on what she’s been accused of, they targeted her over and over again.

It was borderline harassment the last few weeks, and between the media, the comments under articles, Twitter and the DM’s she was no doubt getting on instagram, is this even surprising? There is only so many abusive comments a person can take.

I’m loathe to agree with Pierse Morgan but the woman had lost everything, privately, publicly, professionally and personally.
Her career was over.
She was humiliated and torn to shreds by both the general public and by the press.
Some might say deservedly so, if she was guilty of what she was accused of.
But I don’t think what she allegedly did warranted that kind of vicious treatment at all.

I have no issue with any media posting factual, verified news stories.
I don’t even really have an issue with them publishing what she was accused of, when it initially came to light. But until a trial had taken place, they had no right to persistently target her and repeatedly publish the accusations over and over again for crimes she hadn’t even been found guilty of yet.
It was a trial by media and there has to be accountability for things like this.

The virtue signalling from the ‘thoughts and prayers’ celebrity crowd has been stomach turning today.
I saw some of the journalists from The Sun sharing condolence, which is the height of hypocrisy when they’ve practically been running a hate campaign against her the last few months.

It has definitely made me rethink the media I consume, the articles I click on etc. I don’t want to support those vultures in any way and I’m going to try to be more conscious of what I click on.

May the poor woman rest in peace and finally be free from the pain she has been in.
It’s just really tragic all round for all involved.

Out of interest (and not having a go) if the gender roles were reversed would you still hold the same opinion? Had she been allegedly battered on the head with a lamp by the BF and he was vilified by the media to the point of suicide would you think the same?

I don’t seem to recall anyone having that point of view about the bladerunner fella pistorious before his conviction.

16-02-2020 07:26AM

Bizarre thread. It is not part of some "gender war" to point out the blatantly obvious.

Millicently · 16-02-2020 07:34AM

Look, this is what happens when someone dies, no matter what they did in life they are canonised in death. I've never watched Love Island I don't follow her or read tabloids very often but this woman killed herself hours after the Crown Prosecution Service told her that they were going ahead with the Court Case and the day before the show she'd been fired from was due to air.

Now it's all about glossing over the fact that the woman seriously assaulted a man while he slept and painting her as a victim in all of this. The reality is that men are the victims of domestic violence too but they don't really get much coverage. I'll get eaten alive for saying it but this just seems very selfish and manipulative timing. She isn't the victim here, the man she attacked and could have murdered in his sleep is the victim. Yes she's dead, yes it's sad but she's wasn't a saint so lets not pretend that she was.

lawrencesummers · 16-02-2020 07:42AM

Millicently wrote: »

Look, this is what happens when someone dies, no matter what they did in life they are canonised in death. I've never watched Love Island I don't follow her or read tabloids very often but this woman killed herself hours after the Crown Prosecution Service told her that they were going ahead with the Court Case and the day before the show she'd been fired from was due to air.

Now it's all about glossing over the fact that the woman seriously assaulted a man while he slept and painting her as a victim in all of this. The reality is that men are the victims of domestic violence too but they don't really get much coverage. I'll get eaten alive for saying it but this just seems very selfish and manipulative timing. She isn't the victim here, the man she attacked and could have murdered in his sleep is the victim. Yes she's dead, yes it's sad but she's wasn't a saint so lets not pretend that she was.

Your gonna get slated.

Blazer · 16-02-2020 07:44AM

razorblunt wrote: »

Fück Piers Morgan. His behaviour towards Megan Markle is equally as disgraceful.
He’s also doing all those things to Jameela Jamil now too.

Piers Morgan is absolute scum.
My missus watches him every day on the tv and it drives me nuts. She’s been criticising him since Flacks death but she’ll be back watching him next week. I told her this is exactly why people like him are on tv in that people like her validate his actions by continuing to watch him.
Same as that Britain’s got talent show where they bring me on people who are obviously not all there just to make fun of them. It’s another of bullying.
ITV really are the daily mail of tv channels. They should be shut down.

lawrencesummers · 16-02-2020 07:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Bizarre thread. It is not part of some "gender war" to point out the blatantly obvious.

What’s bizarre is that people buy the tabloids, people spend hours on social media. But now all of a sudden they are the enemy. The Massive irony of people positing on Twitter / IG / Facebook about how terrible it is seems to be lost on a lot of people.

coinop · 16-02-2020 08:26AM

I have a wry smile on my face reading the indignant posts blaming the tabloids and gossip mags for hounding this woman over the alleged assault. The papers only publish these stories because the idiot masses can't get enough of them. It's a sad state of affairs when the average young woman on the street knows every last detail of the lives of the Kardashian sisters but can't name their local TD. I genuinely had never heard of this woman until today because (a) I don't read trashy tabloids or gossip mags and (b) don't watch reality TV (or any TV at all actually). If you are truly horrified at the treatment this woman received from the media then for god's sake stop buying these red-top papers.

Ohmeha · 16-02-2020 08:28AM

Her management and some of her social circle are coming out now attributing blame to the CPS for pursuing prosecution against her

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 08:29AM

Millicently wrote: »

Look, this is what happens when someone dies, no matter what they did in life they are canonised in death. I've never watched Love Island I don't follow her or read tabloids very often but this woman killed herself hours after the Crown Prosecution Service told her that they were going ahead with the Court Case and the day before the show she'd been fired from was due to air.

Now it's all about glossing over the fact that the woman seriously assaulted a man while he slept and painting her as a victim in all of this. The reality is that men are the victims of domestic violence too but they don't really get much coverage. I'll get eaten alive for saying it but this just seems very selfish and manipulative timing. She isn't the victim here, the man she attacked and could have murdered in his sleep is the victim. Yes she's dead, yes it's sad but she's wasn't a saint so lets not pretend that she was.

But no one is a saint. Everyone makes mistakes. In this case even the victim in question didn't want it going any further.
Maybe I feel for her because I put myself in her shoes and wonder what made her do what she done to him. There was rumours of cheating on his behalf. I remember myself when I woke up during the night and found out my abusive ex was cheating I picked up the first think I could find (a book I think) a threw it. Obviously different cases but no one only me knows what happened there and no one only Caroline knows what happened in her case. However, the constant scrutiny and humiliation she must of felt was not fair.
I actually haven't been able to sleep tonight thinking of her. The whole cancel culture thing that goes on disgusts me.

marieholmfan · 16-02-2020 08:29AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I'm not getting into a debate about who fault iy was or whatever

But when you see people like Dan Wootton being one of first to express his sadness at her death, the hypocrisy and bullying that man does to people is sickening and part of a rotten culture that does little to help.

And if Mr Wootton takes his own life your email will be one of the causal factors!

Can you not see the hypocrisy?

Dan Wootton is just doing his job.

marieholmfan · 16-02-2020 08:32AM

razorblunt wrote: »

Fück Piers Morgan. His behaviour towards Megan Markle is equally as disgraceful.
He’s also doing all those things to Jameela Jamil now too.

Can you not see that by attacking Piers Morgan (a fellow Irishman by the way) you are engaging in the behaviour you decry?

Hannibal_Smith · 16-02-2020 08:37AM

ibarelycare wrote: »

They targeted her cos she attacked her partner. Obviously the end result is tragic but why should she have been let off for the press for what they did?

Because theyre not there to put her on trial. They're to report an incident. All those rags do is print and post sensationalist stuff for shock value and attention.

coinop · 16-02-2020 08:40AM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Because theyre not there to put her on trial. They're to report an incident. All those rags do is print and post sensationalist stuff for shock value and attention.

They only print those stories because people buy the papers.
Did you hold the same views during the Paddy Jackson "trial by media"?

Hannibal_Smith · 16-02-2020 08:42AM

coinop wrote: »

They only print those stories because people buy the papers.
Did you hold the same views during the Paddy Jackson "trial by media"?

Paddy Jackson's trial went ahead?

coinop · 16-02-2020 08:45AM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Paddy Jackson's trial went ahead?

Yes and he was found not guilty of rape and sexual assault. But try explaining that to the permanently outraged Boards.ie feminist squad who thrive on cancel culture and destroying people's lives for the sin of possessing testicles. Diageo were pressured into cutting ties with London Irish when Jackson transferred to the club.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 16-02-2020 08:51AM

It’s very shocking. Police and the law makers need to find a way in this social media age to prevent trial by social media.

One thing I found annoying is the use of Caroline’s death by some of our recently unelected TD’s to draw parallels between the abuse she got online and the criticism they receive as elected representatives.

Hannibal_Smith · 16-02-2020 08:52AM

coinop wrote: »

Yes and he was found not guilty of rape and sexual assault. But try explaining that to the permanently outraged Boards.ie feminist squad who thrive on cancel culture and destroying people's lives for the sin of possessing testicles. Diageo were pressured into cutting ties with London Irish when Jackson transferred to the club.

Boards.ie arent responsible for Diageo cancelling a contract.

He had a trial and the facts came out in court. Caroline was put on trial by the media before anything was heard in court. It's the media's job to report accurately. Not sensationalise for clickbait and hound a person into their grave.

Rikand · 16-02-2020 08:57AM

marieholmfan wrote: »

Can you not see that by attacking Piers Morgan (a fellow Irishman by the way) you are engaging in the behaviour you decry?

It doesnt matter what his heritage is. Hes still a grade A cnut

One eyed Jack · 16-02-2020 09:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bizarre thread. It is not part of some "gender war" to point out the blatantly obvious.

“Bizarre” is you making that same point in every thread like you’re trying to fuel a gender war. They’re distinct circumstances in each and every case, so what’s ‘obvious’ to you may well sound just silly to someone else.

Millicently wrote: »

Now it's all about glossing over the fact that the woman seriously assaulted a man while he slept and painting her as a victim in all of this. The reality is that men are the victims of domestic violence too but they don't really get much coverage. I'll get eaten alive for saying it but this just seems very selfish and manipulative timing. She isn't the victim here, the man she attacked and could have murdered in his sleep is the victim. Yes she's dead, yes it's sad but she's wasn't a saint so lets not pretend that she was.

Not gonna eat you alive but I don’t think she planned on taking her own life at all. She was by all accounts under a tremendous amount of pressure from all sides and self-harming. She just wasn’t mentally well. That doesn’t justify her clocking her boyfriend over the head, but for me it does go some way towards explaining it.

Was she a saint? No. She wasn’t the devil either, and when I put things in perspective, for me it’s still a tragedy that someone chose to take their own life. The way some people here are going on, it’s almost as though they have their own issues going on.

Blazer · 16-02-2020 09:02AM

sashafierce wrote: »

But no one is a saint. Everyone makes mistakes. In this case even the victim in question didn't want it going any further.
Maybe I feel for her because I put myself in her shoes and wonder what made her do what she done to him. There was rumours of cheating on his behalf. I remember myself when I woke up during the night and found out my abusive ex was cheating I picked up the first think I could find (a book I think) a threw it. Obviously different cases but no one only me knows what happened there and no one only Caroline knows what happened in her case. However, the constant scrutiny and humiliation she must of felt was not fair.
I actually haven't been able to sleep tonight thinking of her. The whole cancel culture thing that goes on disgusts me.

I'm pretty sure that the 911 audio, the body cams of the police and her admittance of guilt at the scene all tell the story and the reason why the CPS was going to prosecute and rightly so. Being a so called celebrity shouldn't give you a pass to avoid prosecution for breaking the law.
The same people on social media or here who are saying poor caroline will be spitting fire and blood at someone getting a suspended sentence next week for assault etc.

Del Griffith · 16-02-2020 09:04AM

sashafierce wrote: »

But no one is a saint. Everyone makes mistakes. In this case even the victim in question didn't want it going any further.
Maybe I feel for her because I put myself in her shoes and wonder what made her do what she done to him. There was rumours of cheating on his behalf. I remember myself when I woke up during the night and found out my abusive ex was cheating I picked up the first think I could find (a book I think) a threw it. Obviously different cases but no one only me knows what happened there and no one only Caroline knows what happened in her case. However, the constant scrutiny and humiliation she must of felt was not fair.
I actually haven't been able to sleep tonight thinking of her. The whole cancel culture thing that goes on disgusts me.

Leaving out that she killed herself, in what CUCKOO land does a person read about serious violent domestic abuse and feel sympathy and affinity with the alleged abuser rather than the victim?

You literally seem to be saying he probably deserved it

whiskeyman · 16-02-2020 09:13AM

I note the designer who originally created the 'brutal' Valentine's card The Sun reported on their removed article has since removed it, deleted his Twitter and Facebook.

He's probably aware the media may come for him next or use him as a scapegoat for her death.

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 09:16AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Leaving out that she killed herself, in what CUCKOO land does a person read about serious violent domestic abuse and feel sympathy and affinity with the alleged abuser rather than the victim?

You literally seem to be saying he probably deserved it

No that's not what I said. I said we don't know what happened and we don't. Why assume anything.
Yes she can be held accountable for her actions without the whole world knowing about it. I'm sure many of us work with people who have done similar things and they don't lose their jobs and get battered by the country for it.

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 09:18AM

Blazer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that the 911 audio, the body cams of the police and her admittance of guilt at the scene all tell the story and the reason why the CPS was going to prosecute and rightly so. Being a so called celebrity shouldn't give you a pass to avoid prosecution for breaking the law.
The same people on social media or here who are saying poor caroline will be spitting fire and blood at someone getting a suspended sentence next week for assault etc.

But she can be accountable without the media and the trolls getting involved. I simple don't think her actives deserved the treatment she got.

Richard Hillman · 16-02-2020 09:23AM

The print media are the enemy of the people

One eyed Jack · 16-02-2020 09:24AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Leaving out that she killed herself, in what CUCKOO land does a person read about serious violent domestic abuse and feel sympathy and affinity with the alleged abuser rather than the victim?

You literally seem to be saying he probably deserved it

I don’t think it’s cloud cuckoo land at all. It’s often the case that people will feel sympathy and affinity with a person accused of abuse and may see them as the victim. In most cases it’s gonna happen where the accused is a woman. That’s just reality.

In what cloud cuckoo land does anyone imagine that men and women are regarded equally? Seems to be when women do shìtty things there are people out to try and equate their shìtty behaviour with the shìtty behaviour perpetrated by men. Most people don’t view them the same way, not just based on the persons sex, but there’s a whole load of different factors feed into that.

sashafierce · 16-02-2020 09:26AM

Pagluica wrote: »

That's reasonable, but this attitude should also be extended to people such as Paddy Jackson.

Yeah I agree and when the Paddy Jackson case was happening I was saying the same thing. None of this should of been public. I always really liked Caroline I'm thinking about her the last 12 hours suppose I just feel angry that this happened.

Caroline Flack found dead

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