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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,442 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    PommieBast wrote: »
    Haddington Road agreement.

    Nope. Was unilaterally imposed long before that.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,442 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    subpar wrote: »
    Yes , teachers and their Union Officials should hang their heads in shame. They opted to brake a basic code of trade union membership i.e. equal pay for equal work.

    Except they didn't.
    All they had to do at the time of the callaspe of the economy was in to take a 5 euro pay cut a week for EVERY teacher and that would have achieved the payroll savings that the Government were forced to make.

    (a) your maths are way off
    (b) that option was not acceptable to the government.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭jj880


    Pat Rabbitte forgot he was a politician and admitted on tv he told a heap of lies to get votes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Weller81


    Diceicle wrote: »
    Ironically, they'd all be considered too pale, male and stale for Labours (recent) target demographic.

    I would disagree and say that Duncan Smith very much fits the profile


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Varadkar says Sinn Féin must now build a coalition - RTE website

    Mary Lou has the opportunity to build a coalition, and deliver on Sinn Fein promises.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr




  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Varadkar says Sinn Féin must now build a coalition - RTE website

    Mary Lou has the opportunity to build a coalition, and deliver on Sinn Fein "promises".

    Fixed that for you, and everyone knows that "promises" don't need to be kept, silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    jm08 wrote: »
    Do people speak in paragraphs?

    My reading is that he is referring to the Free State Government parties, not the electorate.


    “There’s a seismic shift and the Shinners are at the f**king table. The ‘big two’, as they call themselves, say they’re not going to talk to us. Well, do you know what? We broke the bastards. We broke the Free State and this country will never be the same again - because the people are after taking their voice and it’s up to us now to deliver.



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/transcript-of-speakers-at-up-the-ra-sinn-f%C3%A9in-event-we-broke-the-free-state-1.4170504

    Or else you disappear down the drain in the next election, much like Labour have done twice in the past.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Riskymove wrote: »
    while I agree in general it was a clear landslide for SF in Dublin

    they probably would have elected a second candidate in any of the constituencies they got high votes in and the surpluses brought in other left candidates at the expense of FF and FG generally

    If you read my post again, you might see that:

    a. A 25% popular vote is not a landslide.

    b. More candidates does not increase the 1st pref numbers.

    c. While more candidates would certainly bring in more TDs in some constituencies, it might split the vote in others thus losing TDs. That is why they did not have enough candidates - they never saw the surge coming, and did not want to risk losing any likely TDs through splitting their vote. This is particularly true of their leader.

    Under our system, each voter has one vote. Most of the voters that vote down the card will get the TD they dislike the least.

    FG have said they will not talk to SF. That leaves the left wing cats being herded into a coalition by MLMcD - good luck with that. Alternatively, a SF/FF coalition where some senior FF TDs have said they will not serve so not stable.

    A surge for SF, not a landslide.


  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Varadkar says Sinn Féin must now build a coalition - RTE website

    Mary Lou has the opportunity to build a coalition, and deliver on Sinn Fein promises.

    Why, if FF got the most seats, are SF the ones trying to form a coalition?

    Is it not usual that the largest party gets first go at it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    It's actually a bit sad.

    But Labour is basically a sinking ship and in fairness to him, a lifeboat is there.
    Who would dare take the wheel now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,446 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭unit 1


    Its strategy. They thought sf would have, by a slim margin, the most seats, but had to change tack to sf having the biggest vote when all was counted.
    The strategy for the moment is to send mlmd on a fools errand to try and set up a gov knowing it is impossible without the backing of either ff or fg.
    When she fails then she will have to appeal to either ff or fg and senior hurling will begin.
    In any case any of the big 3 could rightly claim to have a mandate and try and form a gov because at the end of the day its all down to maths.

    I still would not rule out a ff/fg/green government with a spinning taoiseach. Ff and fg have already done business together, could negotiate a programme for government with the greens and would have 5 years with an improving economy to look forward to IN POWER, as opposed to what, either one of them watching from the sidelines?

    Mary Harney "the worst days in power are better than the best days in opposition"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,442 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Labour still paying the price for the incredibly bad leadership of Gilmore and Burton.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭howareyakid


    Former Labour TD, Declan Bree, was speaking before the election - where he was running as an I4C candidate - and he criticised Labour in their current guise as not being left enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Have to say I thought Brendan spoke with reason and sense in his leaders debate.

    He had reasoned responses to the questions, didn’t make stupid pledges and listed off an impressive amount of positives they implemented last time in.

    If anything he was too sensible and reasoned, in this day and age it’s the chimp with the cymbals run round shouting “change change change” that the current short attention spans of today understood and remembered.

    Problem too is lack of good candidates, the guy in our constituency is terrible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    _Brian wrote: »
    Problem too is lack of good candidates, the guy in our constituency is terrible.

    Indeed-they dragged Emmet Stagg out of retirement in my constituency,which frankly smelt of desperation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭howareyakid


    Howlin also really impressed me in the leaders’ debates. Spoke really well, I felt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭scooby77


    unit 1 wrote: »
    I still would not rule out a ff/fg/green government with a spinning taoiseach.

    Ivan Yates today put a case for FF/FG/ Rural Independents. Either could be a good bet...wouldn't bet much on Mary-Lou as Taoiseach at all yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What happened was people thought a vote for Lab was a proxy vote for FG.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Ivan Yates today put a case for FF/FG/ Rural Independents. Either could be a good bet...wouldn't bet much on Mary-Lou as Taoiseach at all yet.

    I would think the GP is a safer bet as they are keen to save the planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Ivan Yates today put a case for FF/FG/ Rural Independents. Either could be a good bet...wouldn't bet much on Mary-Lou as Taoiseach at all yet.


    Another option would be FF\Greens\SocDems\Independents with FG doing confidence and supply from the opposition benches.



    We have got to keep those Shinners out for as long as possible. Pascal having to reassure the multinationals today to continue to invest. I work with multinationals and this country is going down the toilet if SF get in. Give it 5 years and FF /FG can co-ordinate at the next election, perhaps stepping aside in certain constituencies to help the other. The situation is that serious people, the country is really on the edge of a precipice now.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Another option would be FF\Greens\SocDems\Independents with FG doing confidence and supply from the opposition benches.



    We have got to keep those Shinners out for as long as possible. Pascal having to reassure the multinationals today to continue to invest. I work with multinationals and this country is going down the toilet if SF get in. Give it 5 years and FF /FG can co-ordinate at the next election, perhaps stepping aside in certain constituencies to help the other. The situation is that serious people, the country is really on the edge of a precipice now.

    FF or FG stepping aside has no effect under STV multi seat voting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    FF or FG stepping aside has no effect under STV multi seat voting.




    Explain that one. How can your biggest rival for middle Ireland votes stepping aside not help you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    Huh?
    You don't really believe the DUP can be woo'd into a United Ireland do you?

    I think there's a sizeable chunk of the population down here who think a United Ireland is inevitable in the next 20 years without giving much thought to what would be involved to get almost a million Unionists on side. The concessions we might have to make could be too much for some
    I also think that whatever we would like to see happening, their decision will be more important and I don't think a simple majority up there will suffice, IMO, it would require AT LEAST a two thirds majority for things to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,700 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    saabsaab wrote: »
    What happened was people thought a vote for Lab was a proxy vote for FG.

    It’s a proxy vote for whichever of FFG get the most votes as Labour will always do business with them for a couple of ministerial pensions. The Labour part of your vote is therefore irrelevant and people see that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Ivan Yates today put a case for FF/FG/ Rural Independents. Either could be a good bet...wouldn't bet much on Mary-Lou as Taoiseach at all yet.

    A loudmouth with zero credibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Seamai wrote: »
    I think there's a sizeable chunk of the population down here who think a United Ireland is inevitable in the next 20 years without giving much thought to what would be involved to get almost a million Unionists on side. The concessions we might have to make could be too much for some
    I also think that whatever we would like to see happening, their decision will be more important and I don't think a simple majority up there will suffice, IMO, it would require AT LEAST a two thirds majority for things to work.

    The GFA doesn't give one community a veto over the change in constitutional status of NI. Only the people collectively in NI can.

    After a positive Unity vote on both sides of the border; the British government, the Irish government, the intelligence agencies, the PSNI, the Gardai, all the political parties, SF and probably even dissident groups are now on the same side.
    Some unionist hold outs in whatever form their protest takes will not be able to stop the march of the people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    A loudmouth with zero credibility.

    Bit harsh, she has just won the popular vote


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭mayoman1973


    I love the United Ireland talk from Sinn Fein. I have lived in the north for the past 15 years and Sinn Fein seem to think its a fore gone conclusion that nationalists here will vote for it when its put in front of them. The past aside ( We cant forget the past I hear ye say ) I am struggling to see how I would be better off as part of a United Ireland. Everytime I turn on RTE its the health service down below in free fall and housing crisis. The biggies in any persons life are 1 Health, 2.Education 3.House. 4. Prob Car or Transport. Once people up here are told that when they go to a doctor its 60 for a gawk, 100 for a look, 150 for a poke, 200 for your tablets etc they will soon have a rethink. Free is always better IMHO :) When they go to tax their big 2.0L + Audi ( Which everyone up here seems to drive, me included ) and they are asked for the guts of £1000 to do so ( I pay 150 for a 3L 4x4 at the min ) that might soften their cough. Education is "freeish in the south but sure I can avail of that anyways cause we can pretend to be in the EU for that bit cause it suits us :) Johnny Cash talks the talk at the end of the day and unless theres a unification grant coming my way ( which I'm sure ye southern folk will love paying through some new shinner tax lol ) then I may just well stay here and take the Queens shilling. The only decision the shinners made up here since I moved here was when good old Catriona Ruane I think it was abolished the 11+ exam. That worked out well if you ask any parents of P7 kids. NOT !!


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