General Election TV debates

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 12:12PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you suggesting SF should not be quizzed on this? I think SF can count themselves lucky that they are not being questioned about a few more killings.

I don't see the poster suggesting this, they have however asked you a fairly easy question . Which to me seems as if you wish to evade it.

maccored · 06-02-2020 12:13PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you suggesting SF should not be quizzed on this? I think SF can count themselves lucky that they are not being questioned about a few more killings.

SF kill people now? Shouldnt the guards arrest them?

Fr_Dougal · 06-02-2020 12:28PM

Sinn Féin TDs have "zero" influence over policy decisions despite being elected to the Dáil, according to a former party member.

Aontú party leader Peadar Tóibín, who resigned from Sinn Féin over his views on abortion, said key policy decisions are made by a "very tight circle" of six or seven people and are then "handed down" to TDs.

In a rare insight into how the secretive party works, Mr Tóibín said most Sinn Féin TDs are not permitted to choose their own staff members. Instead, he said the party picks their parliamentary assistants who can have even more influence than the TDs they are working for.

"TDs don't come together to make decisions on a regular basis. At least the important decisions are not made by TDs," he said. "TDs and staff gather on a weekly basis, but the staff would have as much say, with regards the direction of policy."

Mr Tóibín said he knew of one TD who was effectively directed to make Dáil speeches by their assistant as she did not agree with the policy. "That TD actually decided to give a speech in Irish so that the policy wouldn't be associated with her," he said.

On another occasion, Mr Tóibín said TDs sought to have an internal debate over a proposal to support a Dáil motion on banning religious ethos in schools. However, after the discussion they were told what the party position was.

"The decision was obviously pre-written before the TDs had asked to have a discussion so at that point it was quite clear to me that my influence as a TD representing the people of Meath was pretty much zero," he added.

"Sometimes you'd be in meetings and you'd feel like everyone was talking from text books and those who spoke outside of the textbook were frowned upon."

And people complain about China and North Korea, at least they don’t pretend to be something they’re not.

lawred2 · 06-02-2020 12:30PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you suggesting SF should not be quizzed on this? I think SF can count themselves lucky that they are not being questioned about a few more killings.

No. I asked you whether this was an issue for before election 2020?

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 12:32PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And people complain about China and North Korea, at least they don’t pretend to be something they’re not.

Yet he was willing to be part of that party strange, nice he found his voice when he got kicked out.

quokula · 06-02-2020 12:33PM

lawred2 wrote: »

No. I asked you whether this was an issue for before election 2020?

It's always been an issue for the families of their victims. It's of increased national interest now when it's possible that some of these people could actually have a hand in running the country, which should be horrifying to any decent human being.

lawred2 · 06-02-2020 12:41PM

quokula wrote: »

It's always been an issue for the families of their victims

Of course. And rightly so. Never in question.

quokula wrote: »

It's of increased national interest now when it's possible that some of these people could actually have a hand in running the country, which should be horrifying to any decent human being.

Right. So no - it wasn't an issue before election 2020.

realdanbreen · 06-02-2020 12:42PM

lawred2 wrote: »

No. I asked you whether this was an issue for before election 2020?

It's been an issue when the quinn family asked repeatedly for 13 years for SF to withdraw the usual smearing they do of innocent victims and apologise. Murphy only did it yesterday after Mary lou f****d up on live TV

blanch152 · 06-02-2020 12:47PM

lawred2 wrote: »

No. I asked you whether this was an issue for before election 2020?

The victims of Sinn Fein have been an issue for me for a very long time, and I have continually raised them on here, despite repeated abuse from the usual SF apologists.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 12:47PM

The sheer amount of residential now that has just received or has applied firvpkanning in Dublin is insane ! Go onto SkyscraperCity website and there is an Irish forum. So supply us going to ramp up From now collosaly! The issue is it’s a case of possibly fg leaving it too late , from a voter perspective. The progress on this issue has been glacial. Problem number two , affordability! I remember years ago the head of ires reit , saying what an inefficient use of space , dial aspect apartments were. Say we have ffg again , if you want masses of affordable apartments here and to stick with the private sector option, you need to go single aspect and possibly reduce size. Believe me , that is infinitely preferable for most people sharing. A modern , contemporary, warm near zero energy from a heating a heating perspective apartment, central , that they don’t have to share. Nobody will give a toss it’s single aspect and if they do , off you go and buy why other non new “ affordable “ apartment.

I would love to see figures of just how much going to single aspsct would reduce cost. The government also cream off a huge amount with the cost of a new build. I would abolish stamp duty. Makes it easier to raise deposit. Change planning guidelines so developers can’t just go for what is most profitable, which they will obviously do. Sick of government vilifying developers for their own failure , it’s a smoke screen that far too many believe. Go into your for profit employer later and tell them you have a plan to cut profits , let me know how you get on ...

FrancieBrady · 06-02-2020 12:51PM

quokula wrote: »

It's always been an issue for the families of their victims. It's of increased national interest now when it's possible that some of these people could actually have a hand in running the country, which should be horrifying to any decent human being.

So why didn't it come up at the start of the campaign?

tobsey · 06-02-2020 12:53PM

thequarefellow wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by thequarefellow:
But they haven't done so. There are countless examples of attractive high rise living all over Europe. I've lived in some. Just f***ing do it! Go abroad, look at good examples of same, with the necessary infrastructure, and do it! But they haven't.

I'm so tired of hearing bull***t like this from government. They are the ones in charge. Change the rules, Change the constitution. Do what ever needs to be done ffs. They had practically the country pleading with them to build more housing and they failed to do so on any meaningful level. It is actually a housing crisis after all. I was writing to Simon Coveney when he was housing minister pleading with him to get s**t done. It just deteriorated from there. And don't talk to me about Nama!

FG failed on this issue!
And Fianna Fail can't be trusted either, building houses in bogs and rural backwaters that had to be torn down because nobody wanted to live there.

SF might just do something different. Or they might make a bo***cks of it. But I'm so frustrated that I will vote for them and give them a chance. Whats's the worst that can happen? Major recession? Bring it on. At least I'll be able to afford property then.

The government did change the rules: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/building-height-restrictions-in-towns-and-cities-lifted-37604346.html

The councils in Dublin just didn't apply them, except for a couple of cases in the docklands.

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 12:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So why didn't it come up at the start of the campaign?

SF weren't at 25% three weeks ago. The media and those on here claiming to be outraged at Paul Quinn's murder won't give a flying f**k after the polls close on Saturday.

Maewyn Succat · 06-02-2020 12:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't know why it is your business and you'll note I haven't asked anyone how they will vote but as there is nothing to hide here, I haven't looked at the maths but I want the 2 of them elected here so it will either be Matt Carthy No. 1 with Pauline Tully No. 2 or vice versa.

So not a SF voter but voting SF 1 and 2 and defend them all day long on here...

tobsey · 06-02-2020 12:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And straight away allowing McDowell (jesus christ..who are they gonna dig up next) to lie through his teeth.

The IMC said this was about illegal activity and have still not withdrawn that.

Yes but they didn't indicate that Paul Quinn was involved in criminal activity as you are continuosly suggesting. They said the the murderers were former IRA and therefore were acting as a criminal gang and not as part of the IRA.

Hamsterchops · 06-02-2020 01:00PM

Mary Lou got a right grilling live on air this morning by Pat Kenny of all people, and predictably he quizzed her about the Conor Murphy affair + other IRA activity + Sinn Fein's poor record in the Norther Assembly (which they pulled down for three years), but leaving all the Provo stuff aside, she was really outed as a lightweight on economics, trying to defend her proposed tax rate, which sounds ludicrous.

She did try to waffle and to duck & dive, but she wasn't let off the hook, and I can honestly say, Provo murders aside, Sinn Fein are not ready to be the government of this State.

maccored · 06-02-2020 01:02PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary Lou got a right grilling live on air this morning by Pat Kenny of all people, and predictably he quizzed her about the Paul Murphy affair + other IRA activity + Sinn Fein's poor record in the Norther Assembly (which they pulled down for three years), but leaving all the Provo stuff aside, she was really outed as a lightweight on economics, trying to defend her proposed tax rate, which sounds ludicrous.

She did try to waffle and to duck & dive, but she wasn't let off the hook, and I can honestly say, Provo murders aside, Sinn Fein are not ready to be the government of this State.

the only thing of substance you said there was the tax rate sounded ludicrous. Ask Blanch152 about stormont. he/she will tell you how its completely a different set up than here (and blanch152 is correct on that)

Maybe you and blanch need to compare notes?

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 01:04PM

tobsey wrote: »

The government did change the rules: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/building-height-restrictions-in-towns-and-cities-lifted-37604346.html

The councils in Dublin just didn't apply them, except for a couple of cases in the docklands.

Here we are in 2020. Dcc attempting to block residential development in the high court, that abp approved !!! Welcome to Ireland. And for anyone that think eoghan Murphy is the prime target for housing failure, let me introduce you to dcc lads!

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0205/1113383-sheriff-street-development/

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 01:06PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary Lou got a right grilling live on air this morning by Pat Kenny of all people, and predictably he quizzed her about the Paul Murphy affair + other IRA activity + Sinn Fein's poor record in the Norther Assembly (which they pulled down for three years), but leaving all the Provo stuff aside, she was really outed as a lightweight on economics, trying to defend her proposed tax rate, which sounds ludicrous.

She did try to waffle and to duck & dive, but she wasn't let off the hook, and I can honestly say, Provo murders aside, Sinn Fein are not ready to be the government of this State.

They are only running 42 candidates so it's fairly obvious they will not be governing the state anytime soon.

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 01:09PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Here we are in 2020. Dcc attempting to block residential development in the high court, that abp approved !!! Welcome to Ireland. And for anyone that think eoghsn Murphy is the prime target for housing failure, let me introduce you to dcc lads!

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0205/1113383-sheriff-street-development/

The DCC lads are objecting because of the SDZ, which to be changed has to be opened to public consultation. Seems the DCC lads are doing their job . I assumed you read the link you posted.

votecounts · 06-02-2020 01:10PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary Lou got a right grilling live on air this morning by Pat Kenny of all people, and predictably he quizzed her about the Paul Murphy affair + other IRA activity + Sinn Fein's poor record in the Norther Assembly (which they pulled down for three years), but leaving all the Provo stuff aside, she was really outed as a lightweight on economics, trying to defend her proposed tax rate, which sounds ludicrous.

She did try to waffle and to duck & dive, but she wasn't let off the hook, and I can honestly say, Provo murders aside, Sinn Fein are not ready to be the government of this State.

So much respect for a murdered victim, you don't even know his name:(

realdanbreen · 06-02-2020 01:12PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary Lou got a right grilling live on air this morning by Pat Kenny of all people, and predictably he quizzed her about the Paul Murphy affair + other IRA activity + Sinn Fein's poor record in the Norther Assembly (which they pulled down for three years), but leaving all the Provo stuff aside, she was really outed as a lightweight on economics, trying to defend her proposed tax rate, which sounds ludicrous.

She did try to waffle and to duck & dive, but she wasn't let off the hook, and I can honestly say, Provo murders aside, Sinn Fein are not ready to be the government of this State.

The dogs on the street knew she was lightweight. She only got the leaders job because she was willing to do what she is ordered to do.

optogirl · 06-02-2020 01:12PM

votecounts wrote: »

So much respect for a murdered victim, you don't even know his name:(

for a nanosecond there I thought he was implying that MLMCD & Paul Murphy had an affair

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 01:16PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary Lou got a right grilling live on air this morning by Pat Kenny of all people, and predictably he quizzed her about the Paul Murphy affair + other IRA activity + Sinn Fein's poor record in the Norther Assembly (which they pulled down for three years), but leaving all the Provo stuff aside, she was really outed as a lightweight on economics, trying to defend her proposed tax rate, which sounds ludicrous.

She did try to waffle and to duck & dive, but she wasn't let off the hook, and I can honestly say, Provo murders aside, Sinn Fein are not ready to be the government of this State.

Connor Murphy is the finance minister, Paul Quinn was the murdered young man. At least show the victim some respect by getting his name right. Jesus.
Pathetic point scoring.

FrancieBrady · 06-02-2020 01:16PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

SF weren't at 25% three weeks ago. The media and those on here claiming to be outraged at Paul Quinn's murder won't give a flying f**k after the polls close on Saturday.

Sadly, if you look at these hypocrites track records on other victim exploitation controversies, that is blatantly obvious and correct.

quokula · 06-02-2020 01:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sadly, if you look at these hypocrites track records on other victim exploitation controversies, that is blatantly obvious and correct.

In the eyes of SF it seems that raising the concerns of victims is much worse than creating victims.

FrancieBrady · 06-02-2020 01:22PM

quokula wrote: »

In the eyes of SF it seems that raising the concerns of victims is much worse than creating victims.

If FF or FG were seriously interested in victims they would have done something to address the plight of ALL victims.

Can you point to anything they have done in the years since the GFA to address this?

Remember they are the very ones vested with the power to do something.

Zetor19 · 06-02-2020 01:22PM

By the time the next election comes around I fully expect Miriam, Sean o R, plank Kenny and tubs etc etc to be manning the polling booths and helping out with the “counting”.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 01:47PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The DCC lads are objecting because of the SDZ, which to be changed has to be opened to public consultation. Seems the DCC lads are doing their job . I assumed you read the link you posted.

I did, the SDZ is madness, massively capping nonsensical heights! So you think they should apply the law, that is insane? and a massive part of this crisis?

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 01:50PM

I am voting SF, FG are leading this change, I voted for them previously. You can expect the working masses to be robbed on property, given as good as no tax cuts and what? wait another nine years? LOL!

One new party to the centre right and the SF surge and this near century FFG farce, could come crashing down! I pray to god it does!

I say centre right as a lazy generalisation. I mean a party that will actually reward workers, you already have every other base here covered. It would actually give people a choice and stop some of the delusionment!

General Election TV debates

Comments