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Carriages cleared and sealed off after incident on Dublin to Sligo train

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  • #32
    IE 222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    Victor wrote: »
    Irish Rail are slightly disingenuous and count the time the front of the train reaches the platform, not the stop time of the doors open time.

    There is an online feed available.

    It's not going to differ by 10 mins.

    Can you check previous arrival times online? The only ones I've ever seen are enroute arrival times which are "estimates".


  • #33
    IE 222
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    end of the road wrote: »
    however he did it, he sounds like a complete dose who shouldn't be in any sort of a job never mind a managerial roll tbh.



    ah she's not to be fair.

    They are, the posters expectations are above and beyond the norm. IE can't be held accountable for this incident.


  • #34
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The idea behind non openable windows is that you would always have the AC on so no need to ever open them as a healthy flow of air at a set temperature would be maintained. Opening windows when the AC is on is like opening your fridge door in the belief it will cool down your beer.

    There is no AC where the toliets are located and between the carriages.

    On the commuter trains this can have 40~50 people camped in this space.

    Its like a sauna with no air. People are sick, faint, on a regular basis.

    No handrails either.


  • #35
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,718 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    beauf wrote: »
    There is no AC where the toliets are located and between the carriages.
    No toilet anywhere should have air conditioning, they should operate on an extraction system only basis.
    On the commuter trains this can have 40~50 people camped in this space.
    I think this is an exaggeration.
    People are sick
    Define sick.
    People ... faint, on a regular basis.
    Most people who faint do so because they haven't eaten properly.


  • #36
    coinop
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 315 ✭✭coinop


    This unfortunate and embarrassing incident was brought to national attention by this cowardly bully who revels in twitter drama https://twitter.com/IzzyKamikaze. She (he?) initially claimed the elderly passenger who couldn't make it to the restroom on time was a drunk and disorderly passenger. If that isn't slander I don't know what is. I understand the elderly man's picture was also circulated by low-lifes on different social media platforms. Talk about kicking a man when he is down.


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  • #37
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    coinop wrote: »
    This unfortunate and embarrassing incident was brought to national attention by this cowardly bully who revels in twitter drama https://twitter.com/IzzyKamikaze. She (he?) initially claimed the elderly passenger who couldn't make it to the restroom on time was a drunk and disorderly passenger. If that isn't slander I don't know what is. I understand the elderly man's picture was also circulated by low-lifes on different social media platforms. Talk about kicking a man when he is down.

    She likes a good moan but if she was on the train and saw the he incident then she might have seen the person's behaviour prior. Posting pics is out of order no matter what.


  • #38
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Victor wrote: »
    No toilet anywhere should have air conditioning, they should operate on an extraction system only basis.

    It's not about the toilet. It's about the space between carriages that's completely unsuited for the number of people crammed into it.
    Victor wrote: »
    I think this is an exaggeration.

    It's not I've counted it numerous times.
    Victor wrote: »
    Define sick.
    .

    Why. Someone who gets physically sick. Passes out. Becomes unwell. Need an ambulance.
    Victor wrote: »
    Most people who faint do so because they haven't eaten properly.

    If that was the cause then it would happen randomly all over the train and not be almost people standing between carriages. It's heat related.

    I only commented because someone mentioned the AC and lack of opening Windows as if it wasn't a problem. It is a problem. Daily.
    If you are going to use these trains like cattle trucks modify them with AC and handles. It's been like this for decades. How long do you need before sorting it out.


  • #39
    Odelay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Emme wrote: »
    What proof do you need? A full bacteriological analysis of both trains? That is not possible now. Common sense dictates that human waste in a public area is a health hazard, more so if it is a slip/fall hazard as well.

    There was vomit between two carriages on another train that day and it hadn't been cleaned up before the journey. That indicates to me that Irish Rail care little about their passengers and the health hazard from the vomit. Mothers with children often have to stand or sit on the ground in the spaces between carriages. Irish Rail knows that yet vomit was still left in that space.


    My boss called me in one morning after I arrived late due to my train getting into Heuston late. He asked me what time the train got in. I told him the time it got in (I had checked the clock at Heuston and my phone) and he accused me of lying. It turned out that Irish Rail put a time 10 minutes earlier than the actual time the train got in.

    If Irish Rail put the time the driver put his foot on the brake at Heuston as the arrival time this is not a true reflection of the time the train got in. Doors have to be opened and morning trains are so crush loaded that it easily takes over 5 minutes for all passengers to disembark. Then people have to get through the barriers at the top of the platform and there are often queues for that. If Irish Rail say the time a train gets in is the second the driver brakes at Heuston it is stretching the truth. However I do not know their criteria for deciding train arrival times except that it seems to be at variance with the time on the clock at Heuston.



    Arrival time is..... the time the train.........arrives!! Not the time it takes Tracy to get up off her seat and make her way out of the station.

    This is quite common. See how it works in airports, arrival time is the time the plane arrives, not to time it takes someone to make it though security and get to the car park.

    You’re trying to blow this up into something it’s not by being deliberately misleading.


  • #40
    beauf
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    Often find the time on the boards to not match the actual departure and arrival times. It's mostly correct though.


  • #41
    Emme
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    Odelay wrote: »
    Arrival time is..... the time the train.........arrives!! Not the time it takes Tracy to get up off her seat and make her way out of the station.

    This is quite common. See how it works in airports, arrival time is the time the plane arrives, not to time it takes someone to make it though security and get to the car park.

    You’re trying to blow this up into something it’s not by being deliberately misleading.

    Do you expect Tracy and the rest of the people on the train to disembark when the front of the train reaches the platform but is still moving? Somebody stated earlier that this is when Irish Rail note the arrival time.
    coinop wrote: »
    This unfortunate and embarrassing incident was brought to national attention by this cowardly bully who revels in twitter drama https://twitter.com/IzzyKamikaze. She (he?) initially claimed the elderly passenger who couldn't make it to the restroom on time was a drunk and disorderly passenger. If that isn't slander I don't know what is. I understand the elderly man's picture was also circulated by low-lifes on different social media platforms. Talk about kicking a man when he is down.

    It was unfortunate that people on the train made assumptions about the man being drunk. Circulating the picture is a no-no. It came to my attention from the link I posted at the beginning of the thread. I hope the man is all right and makes a full recovery. I doubt he will travel with Irish Rail again.

    I get the impression that Irish Rail and some people responding here (no connection to Irish Rail of course) are annoyed about the incident being reported not for the sake of the man's health and well being but because it is a vindication of Irish Rail. Some people will do anything to defend this cattle truck while it is clear that passenger conditions on Irish Rail are getting worse every day. Passengers deserve better, that poor man certainly did! The effects of his illness were compounded by the crush loading on that particular train.


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  • #42
    Xertz
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    I think people are being VERY unfair on that person who had an unfortunate incident. It could happen to anyone - all it takes is a severe stomach / intestinal bug, many forms of allergic reaction, severe forms of IBS, it can also be a problem caused by various digestive system chronic illnesses like Crohn's disease or Ulcerative Colitis flaring up etc or someone undergoing perhaps chemotherapy or radiotherapy. There are a lot of reasons why someone can have an episode like this and it's just one of the downsides of being a biological organism that has to digest food to survive. Our digestive tracts occasionally can go quite spectacularly wrong and not in the most dignified ways.

    There are countless reasons why something like this could happen and it's something that could happen to any of us.

    Turning what is just an unfortunate, embarrassing and totally understandable situation into load of tabloid nonsense is .. well nonsense.

    These things happen, thankfully not too frequently, but it's just part of life and I think we should probably all move on from it.


  • #43
    Emme
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    Xertz wrote: »
    I think people are being VERY unfair on that person who had an unfortunate incident. It could happen to anyone - all it takes is a severe stomach / intestinal bug, many forms of allergic reaction, severe forms of IBS, it can also be a problem caused by various digestive system chronic illnesses like Crohn's disease or Ulcerative Colitis flaring up etc or someone undergoing perhaps chemotherapy or radiotherapy. There are a lot of reasons why someone can have an episode like this and it's just one of the downsides of being a biological organism that has to digest food to survive. Our digestive tracts occasionally can go quite spectacularly wrong and not in the most dignified ways.

    There are countless reasons why something like this could happen and it's something that could happen to any of us.

    Turning what is just an unfortunate, embarrassing and totally understandable situation into load of tabloid nonsense is .. well nonsense.

    These things happen, thankfully not too frequently, but it's just part of life and I think we should probably all move on from it.

    I agree with all the above. However I think the episode was reported to highlight how overcrowded the trains are and how unsuitable the train is now for people who have health issues. Again I hope this man made an recovery.


  • #44
    IE 222
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    Emme wrote: »
    Do you expect Tracy and the rest of the people on the train to disembark when the front of the train reaches the platform but is still moving? Somebody stated earlier that this is when Irish Rail note the arrival time.



    It was unfortunate that people on the train made assumptions about the man being drunk. Circulating the picture is a no-no. It came to my attention from the link I posted at the beginning of the thread. I hope the man is all right and makes a full recovery. I doubt he will travel with Irish Rail again.

    I get the impression that Irish Rail and some people responding here (no connection to Irish Rail of course) are annoyed about the incident being reported not for the sake of the man's health and well being but because it is a vindication of Irish Rail. Some people will do anything to defend this cattle truck while it is clear that passenger conditions on Irish Rail are getting worse every day. Passengers deserve better, that poor man certainly did! The effects of his illness were compounded by the crush loading on that particular train.

    Arrival time is once the train comes to a complete stop in the station.

    You seem to be the one adding more to the story here. Your opening post certainly had a lot more details added than the article and you claim to have other sources.

    Again if you weren't onboard the train I think you should refrain from stating such things as "the crush loading had an effect on the mans wellbeing" and "the man was ill" cause you simply don't know.


  • #45
    Emme
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    I did not get the link from Izzy Kamikaze and I am not that person or twitterbot. I am not trying to discredit or ridicule the poor man concerned.


  • #46
    Jamie2k9
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    Victor wrote: »
    Irish Rail are slightly disingenuous and count the time the front of the train reaches the platform, not the stop time of the doors open time.

    15-20 seconds different hardly a big deal.

    What is a issue is from time to time they failed to report correct stats and I have saw data record a train as arrived on time yet it was significantly delayed. They denied it outright at first and eventually admitted it. I don't think it was deliberate however it shouldn't happen.

    Its cancellations where they misrepresent the statistics.


  • #47
    Jamie2k9
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    beauf wrote: »
    There is no AC where the toliets are located and between the carriages.

    On the commuter trains this can have 40~50 people camped in this space.

    Its like a sauna with no air. People are sick, faint, on a regular basis.

    No handrails either.

    There is air all be it limited.


  • #48
    coinop
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 315 ✭✭coinop


    [paragraph deleted referring to named person and mostly not relevant to the topic]

    Moving onto the packed trains issue: it has already been explained that due to the unique track gauge that Ireland stupidly has held onto, the new carriages will not arrive until 2022. An unpopular solution to the problem is to abolish the free travel pass or at least severely restrict its use to off-peak times. This would help reduce over-crowding but our politicians are too cowardly to tackle the issue head on.


  • #49
    magicbastarder
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    coinop wrote: »
    the unique track gauge that Ireland stupidly has held onto
    well, this thread just took a new turn.


  • #50
    Strumms
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    bikeman1 wrote: »
    Show me one train in the world that is not full leaving a capital city at the height of rush hour?

    More trains will come and more trains will be full to the top.

    Full is fine, but a train where people are blocking the corridors and access to toilet facilities is wrong, ‘full to the top’ is wrong... people are entitled to some level of comfort and indeed safety as they mobilize from one part of the train to another. An older passenger with a walking stick, frame will be in more danger on an ‘over’ crowded train...

    Irish rail simply need to refuse passengers from accessing the train if it’s full not selling excess tickets too. Excesses of the traveling public should be accommodated by Irish rail by using charted bus services.

    The population increase year on year in about 52,000 in this country, an annual increase of around 1.1%. The EU average is 0.2% growth per annum. We simply here do not have the rail infrastructure to allow changes to occur at the rate happening and the demand for increased trains and space...


    I guess that all means,... it gets worse before better. Ideally I’d like to see double decker trains as utilized by SNCF in France but there would be major infrastructure investment required to make that viable, low bridges, stations being two which just spring to mind...not to mention procurement of the rolling stock, no easy fix... the powers that be need to get the finger out though.


  • #51
    beauf
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    There is air all be it limited.

    You felt that needed clarifying in case someone was confused there may be a vacuum. As in literally no air. Lol.


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  • #52
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    well, this thread just took a new turn.

    yes but much slower of a turn that couldve been taken with a more modern gauge


  • #53
    end of the road
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    coinop wrote: »
    Moving onto the packed trains issue: it has already been explained that due to the unique track gauge that Ireland stupidly has held onto, the new carriages will not arrive until 2022.

    designing the specifications, getting the tender ready and putting the tender out and going through all the bids if multiple bids, signing contracts with whoever wins, manufacturing the trains, getting them here and testing them, are what causes the length of time to get carrages in service. our track gauge if it has any part to play would probably add up to a week or a couple of weeks altogether i would suspect.
    it would have been better if we had adopted standard gauge yes, however we haven't and yet life has gone on and we haven't had trouble getting stock. sure, we can't bring in second hand stuff or lease from elsewhere, but realistically it's much better just to buy new and get it done.
    our gauge is not unique, all be it is only used in a couple of other countries, however it is unlikely to be changed at this stage. either the cost, or the disruption, or both will in all likely hood see to it. it's not that much of an issue anyway as said.
    coinop wrote: »
    An unpopular solution to the problem is to abolish the free travel pass or at least severely restrict its use to off-peak times. This would help reduce over-crowding but our politicians are too cowardly to tackle the issue head on.

    they are not to cowardly to tackle the issue head on, rather it's not an issue that needs tackling as the amount of space freed up would likely be so neglagable that it is not worth implementing, it would ultimately be pointless.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #54
    beauf
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    coinop wrote: »
    ....An unpopular solution to the problem is to abolish the free travel pass or at least severely restrict its use to off-peak times. This would help reduce over-crowding but our politicians are too cowardly to tackle the issue head on...

    I find it difficult to see why if someone has a free pass they would choose peak (the most miserable) time to travel unless they absolutely had to. Indeed that so many would cost that time to effect over crowding.


  • #55
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Of course this problem wouldn't have arisen if CIE hadn't scrapped its fleet of perfectly good Mk III carriages - the dogs in the street were calling this out at the time but nobody was listening. Everybody's money is nobody's money and CIE don't give a fig about their customers - never have, never will. Goodnight now.

    ****



  • #56
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Of course this problem wouldn't have arisen if CIE hadn't scrapped its fleet of perfectly good Mk III carriages

    :confused: the mans illness was caused by the lack of Mk III carriages?


  • #57
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,794 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Restricting the free travel pass... how much of an impact is that going to have I’d wonder.... too you have people using the free travel pass who need it and need to travel at peak times, people with medical conditions, not working, coming from or going to hospital/physio appointments, I’d rather we take the look at upgrading the infrastructure to cope and transport the population, rather then take the road of... “hey to deter you from using public transport, we’ll hit you in the pocket”. Fûck it if you ‘need’ to be somewhere or are not of the means and ability to pay for it...


  • #58
    beauf
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    coinop wrote: »
    ....If OP thinks Irish Rail is such a horrible way to travel I suggest travelling more (try India) or else catch the bus.

    Personally I cancelled my pass and went back to the car. Still use the train just a lot less.


  • #59
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    15-20 seconds different hardly a big deal.

    it would be national news in Japan.


  • #60
    beauf
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    Royal Some Theorist wrote: »
    it would be national news in Japan.

    International news...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-44149791


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  • #61
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    15-20 seconds different hardly a big deal.

    What is a issue is from time to time they failed to report correct stats and I have saw data record a train as arrived on time yet it was significantly delayed. They denied it outright at first and eventually admitted it. I don't think it was deliberate however it shouldn't happen.

    Its cancellations where they misrepresent the statistics.

    Can I ask if we have 2 different topics in the same thread ? It seems to have expanded a bit 😀


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