Ireland's Call -- What's the Problem?

milehip · 10-01-2020 07:58PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

Can't find a dance remix. Gap in the market and when you do make it stick a *banging* donk on it!

Is there any other kind of donk?

10-01-2020 08:45PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Might as well save God save the queen.in fact most of the crowd would probably prefer it. Another example of pandering to the Ulster protestants of which Davy Tweed was a shining example of. Horrible Ditty.

Could maybe play something teenybopper for him to try and lure some young ones in.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-01-2020 09:44PM

Elmo wrote: »

But not as a country, them up there can stay up there but not Donegal, Monaghan or Cavan, they can stay down here up there on my Island!

That's right. They play as a rugby team representing the island of Ireland, Not a country.

10-01-2020 10:19PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's right. They play as a rugby team representing the island of Ireland, Not a country.

Which is wrong. International sport should be about nations so in my eyes we don’t have a rugby team (or whatever other sports sell out to the loyalists).

Motivator · 10-01-2020 10:38PM

Ireland’s Call will never be our National Anthem. Our actual National Anthem is stunning when played in the right manner, in the right setting. The clip below is hair raising:

https://youtu.be/nHqwKMBWKXE

Tell me how · 10-01-2020 11:05PM

Motivator wrote: »

Ireland’s Call will never be our National Anthem. Our actual National Anthem is stunning when played in the right manner, in the right setting. The clip below is hair raising:

True. (Still think standing in Hogan stand singing it at GAA match is more evocative mind).

But, can you see how should we have a United Ireland that that would be unacceptable to the circa 1M unionists living in what is now Northern Ireland.
That is why I think Ireland's call should be selected seamlessly. It ticks a lot of boxes.

(THE UI debate is going to be f*ckin painful with all the BS rhetoric that is going to go along with it. From all sides.)

El_Duderino 09 · 10-01-2020 11:11PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Which is wrong. International sport should be about nations so in my eyes we don’t have a rugby team (or whatever other sports sell out to the loyalists).

Ah why are you worried about loyalists? Irish rugby predates the border on the island. I'm fine with that and I think Ireland's call is a great anthem for an all Ireland team.

Life doesn't exist through a republican vs loyalist lens. Irishness isn't about republican vs loyalist. How boring and one dimensional must it be to view the world like that?But this thread demonstrates some people seem to really enjoy the Republican vs loyalist dynamic.

Huntergonzo · 10-01-2020 11:12PM

Ireland's Call isn't a great tune, it serves a purpose but it's poor.

In fairness Amhran na bhFiann isn't much better, it's a pretty drab tune aswell.

In terms of the 6 nations (which is only round the corner of course), I think you have 4 brilliant national anthems: the French, Welsh, Scottish and Italian, 2 poor ones in both Irish tunes and a shíte one in God Save the Queen.

EmmetSpiceland · 10-01-2020 11:40PM

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Ireland's Call isn't a great tune, it serves a purpose but it's poor.

In fairness Amhran na bhFiann isn't much better, it's a pretty drab tune aswell.

In terms of the 6 nations (which is only round the corner of course), I think you have 4 brilliant national anthems: the French, Welsh, Scottish and Italian, 2 poor ones in both Irish tunes and a shíte one in God Save the Queen.

‘Amhrán na bhFiann‘ is much better than the Welsh, and Scottish, national “songs”.

‘Ireland’s Call’ would be second from bottom with ‘God Save the Queen’ taking the wooden spoon.

IAMAMORON · 10-01-2020 11:51PM

I like land of our fathers myself, it has a lovely cres(c)hendo , i always find myself turning up the volume for their games in Cardiff.

Is sublime a welsh word ?

Del.Monte · 10-01-2020 11:51PM

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Irelands Call will never ever be the official anthem of a united Ireland its way too unpopular. A lot of rugby fans are west Brits and prods. Especially the leinster ones, munster not so much.

Nice balanced post.

I'm a southern Anglo-Irish protestant and a rugby fan and despise Ireland's Call and see it as pc nonsense. In the pre-professional era there were members of the RUC/British Army that played for Ireland and had no difficulty standing through Amhrán na bhFiann. They were not obliged to sing it and probably wouldn't have known the words - anymore than I do.

An interesting piece in the Cork Examiner by Donal Lenihan here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/i-knew-something-was-wrong-when-20-plain-clothes-gardai-turned-up-at-irish-training-189685.html

All that said, it seems from my own experience that many Irish people aren't prepared to give an inch when it comes to changing the anthem or flag to appease NI unionists - not that it would anyway.

twowheelsonly · 11-01-2020 12:31AM

Personally I prefer to go with the National Anthem but don't have a problem with Irelands Call as a song either.

Anyone who says that neither stirs enough emotion obviously missed that famous day in 2007 !! The English were beaten that day before a ball was kicked such was the emotion in Amhrann Na bhFiann. Spine tingling.

Rodin · 11-01-2020 01:49AM

Soon enough the tricolour will be a thing of the past anyway.

Other faiths will want representation. Might be a crescent on it yet.

EmmetSpiceland · 11-01-2020 01:52AM

Rodin wrote: »

Soon enough the tricolour will be a thing of the past anyway.

Other faiths will want representation. Might be a crescent on it yet.

We can stick it above the “Red Hand” that will be in the middle of the white part.

JohnnyFlash · 11-01-2020 01:56AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

‘Amhrán na bhFiann‘ is much better than the Welsh, and Scottish, national “songs”.

‘Ireland’s Call’ would be second from bottom with ‘God Save the Queen’ taking the wooden spoon.

You a French or Italian man, Emmet?

Sam Quentin · 11-01-2020 01:58AM

It's quite catchy and easy to learn

Sardonicat · 11-01-2020 02:02AM

Rodin wrote: »

Soon enough the tricolour will be a thing of the past anyway.

Other faiths will want representation. Might be a crescent on it yet.

There are no faiths represented on the tricolour.

11-01-2020 08:32AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Nice balanced post.

I'm a southern Anglo-Irish protestant and a rugby fan and despise Ireland's Call and see it as pc nonsense. In the pre-professional era there were members of the RUC/British Army that played for Ireland and had no difficulty standing through Amhrán na bhFiann. They were not obliged to sing it and probably wouldn't have known the words - anymore than I do.

An interesting piece in the Cork Examiner by Donal Lenihan here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/i-knew-something-was-wrong-when-20-plain-clothes-gardai-turned-up-at-irish-training-189685.html

All that said, it seems from my own experience that many Irish people aren't prepared to give an inch when it comes to changing the anthem or flag to appease NI unionists - not that it would anyway.

Why is everyone obsessed with appeasing loyalist? It’s all anyone ever goes on about these days. **** them.

Huntergonzo · 11-01-2020 08:37AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

‘Amhrán na bhFiann‘ is much better than the Welsh, and Scottish, national “songs”.

‘Ireland’s Call’ would be second from bottom with ‘God Save the Queen’ taking the wooden spoon.

All a matter of opinion I suppose but I think Amhran na bhFiann is a distant 5th in the six nations and Ireland's Call is basically tied 5th with it.

Such a shame for a country which has produced brilliant music over the years to settle with 2 lifeless tunes as anthems.

topmanamillion · 11-01-2020 08:53AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

When we, eventually, do have a united Ireland “Ireland’s Call” will be the anthem and that’s a good thing.

No it won't be. It's an awful thing Phil Coulter wrote to take the IRFUs money. Purposefully writtten to be as bland and inoffensive as possible.
Its a glorified pub song. Grand for the goys to go on the Heino watching the match but if its the best a United Ireland can offer considering the heritage and reputation of literature and song writing the country has, then I'm grand for a UI, thanks.

11-01-2020 09:56AM

topmanamillion wrote: »

No it won't be. It's an awful thing Phil Coulter wrote to take the IRFUs money. Purposefully writtten to be as bland and inoffensive as possible.
Its a glorified pub song. Grand for the goys to go on the Heino watching the match but if its the best a United Ireland can offer considering the heritage and reputation of literature and song writing the country has, then I'm grand for a UI, thanks.

It would be kind of fitting in a way for this modern FG Ireland to have an anthem that was written for a sport that excludes people based on how much money they have.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-01-2020 10:39AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It would be kind of fitting in a way for this modern FG Ireland to have an anthem that was written for a sport that excludes people based on how much money they have.

So many people looking to be offended by this. Going on about the rugby goys, the loyalists, one clown even managed to shoehorn in the Muslims. Rugby doesn't exclude based on money. Go to Portlaoise rugby club and you'll see its a club full of completely normal people from portlaoise and a 20km radius. south Dublin rugby clubs are probably full of south dubliners but that's hardly unexpected.

Some people carry an inferiority complex which might prevent them from joining, but that's not rugby's fault.

It's just a song do maybe it's time to get over it and accept that most people wouldn't have liked any new song because it's new.

Huntergonzo · 11-01-2020 11:05AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So many people looking to be offended by this. Going on about the rugby goys, the loyalists, one clown even managed to shoehorn in the Muslims. Rugby doesn't exclude based on money. Go to Portlaoise rugby club and you'll see its a club full of completely normal people from portlaoise and a 20km radius. south Dublin rugby clubs are probably full of south dubliners but that's hardly unexpected.

Some people carry an inferiority complex which might prevent them from joining, but that's not rugby's fault.

It's just a song do maybe it's time to get over it and accept that most people wouldn't have liked any new song because it's new.

Ye I always laugh when people say they don't like rugby because it's a snobs game basically, but isn't that the height of snobbery itself to hate a game based upon an uninformed perception of who plays it.

Personally I like most sports and when someone introduces me to a new sport, I'm generally curious about a) the rules and b) is this entertaining to watch.

What I don't do is come to the conclusion that I can only enjoy this sport if it's played by people from a particular background, that's at the very least a petty attitude.

Yamanoto · 11-01-2020 11:14AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It would be kind of fitting in a way for this modern FG Ireland to have an anthem that was written for a sport that excludes people based on how much money they have.

Between the lurking loyalist menace and now this, there's a fierce whack of the neurotic about ya there chief.

11-01-2020 11:39AM

Yamanoto wrote: »

Between the lurking loyalist menace and now this, there's a fierce whack of the neurotic about ya there chief.

I suppose being told you’ll have to change everything to appease someone does that.

Yamanoto · 11-01-2020 11:53AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I suppose being told you’ll have to change everything to appease someone does that.

Who's asking you to 'change everything'?

Who's seriously suggesting Ireland's Call as a national anthem?

Which Rugby clubs have turned you away on the basis of your income?

Marhay70 · 11-01-2020 12:03PM

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Irelands Call will never ever be the official anthem of a united Ireland its way too unpopular. A lot of rugby fans are west Brits and prods. Especially the leinster ones, munster not so much.

Yeah we shouldn't be appeasing these Prods and West Brits. I suggest a real Irishman like yourself should immediately write to the GAA and demand they rename all those clubs like Thomas Davis, Wolfe Tone, John Mitchell, Robert Emmet, Parnell etc. and while they're at it, that cup named after Sam Maguire.
Can't be having these people confused with "real" Irishmen.

Hamsterchops · 11-01-2020 12:06PM

Motivator wrote: »

Ireland’s Call will never be our National Anthem. Our actual National Anthem is stunning when played in the right manner, in the right setting. The clip below is hair raising:

https://youtu.be/nHqwKMBWKXE

Sure tis great altogether, but what about if (or when) this island becomes politically united?

If we take on board just short of one million Unionist, British, Loyalist people with a strong identity of their own, surely we can't expect then to embrace Amhrán na bhFiann and the Tricolour, hence we will need a new all island Anthem + a new all island flag, both of which would express the new Ireland - Unionist, Nationalist, British, Irish, Republican & Loyalist....

Currently, Ireland's call is the only show in town.

11-01-2020 12:10PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

Who's asking you to 'change everything'?

Who's seriously suggesting Ireland's Call as a national anthem?

Which Rugby clubs have turned you away on the basis of your income?

Ah jaysus, all anyone has talked about for the past week (with uncle Leo’s tan loving ceremony) is how much we have to change to make loyalists happy.

marvin80 · 11-01-2020 12:18PM

This sums it up well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmSRGD1dRkI

Ireland's Call -- What's the Problem?

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