Is the U.S.A. the most extreme terrorist nation?

s7ryf3925pivug · 10-01-2020 12:32PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

USSR 12 in past 70 years counting Korea, China and Vietnam which are on your list but is inaccurate.

There are 20 on that list since 1950. It discusses the inclusion of each item on the list.

marieholmfan · 10-01-2020 12:33PM

Salvatore Polite Trance wrote: »

There are 20 on that list since 1950. It discusses the inclusion of each item on the list.

Only 12 in the period during which the USSR existed. You've edited your post after the response and I'm going to report it.

s7ryf3925pivug · 10-01-2020 12:38PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

Only 12 in the period during which the USSR existed. You've edited your post after the response and I'm going to report it.

I didn't edit my post. If I did you would see "last edited by" at the bottom of it.

RobertKK · 10-01-2020 12:48PM

The Pentagon probably runs the US with the Democrats and Republicans fighting to make it look like they have democracy when all they seem to disagree with are social issues.
On the international stage, not much changes in a big way, for a person who won a Nobel peace prize and lauded by people who call themselves liberals, Obama ended up with the US involved in more wars than at the start of his presidency, took the drone program to a new level which is a form of terrorism and by all accounts Trump has taken this further with drones but so far he seems far more hesitant on wars of invasion.
The drones should be listed as a form of state terrorism, no one could live under a drone humming overhead 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as it seeks its target, not knowing when the payload will be delivered, it kills many innocent people who get associated with the 'declared' terrorist if in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Many innocent people have been killed, three farmers in Afghanistan were killed at one stage for being tall because Osama Bin Laden was tall.
This is terrorism and a nation that shows it has little regard for life when it does this.
The drone program is out of control and worse than ever and no accountability for the crimes being committed.

noodler · 10-01-2020 12:50PM

the_syco wrote: »

What a complete f**king moron. Not only were they ready to fight until the last man, they had tanks in kilometres of underground tunnels waiting for the invasion.

Historians mostly agree the bombs were unnecessary.

He's not the one who comes off like a moron there.

partyguinness · 10-01-2020 12:58PM

The one thing about the US generally is that they are terrible bad losers.

Even in sports especially athletics when they are beaten they are first out crying foul and throwing doping allegations around when everyone knows the US are the biggest dopers out there.

It's almost like: "We have the most money, best facilities, the best doctors and best access to drugs. Sure if we are still being beaten then the winner absolutely has to be doped up."

Even this week Trump was banging on the Iranian hostage crisis from 79-81 so you really have to question the bona fides of this latest episode..well as if there was a doubt.

Bricriu · 10-01-2020 01:11PM

Not only is the US the most extreme terrorist nation, it is the greatest force for instability for nearly every country in the World.
It's filthy hands can be found at the bottom of a lot of international atrocities.

For an academic, thoroughly researched catalogue of some of the US's worst atrocities in the last 50 years, read Canadian intellectual Naomi Klein's brilliant book The Shock Doctrine - a must-read for anyone who wishes to know how the World works.

For further info read US intellectual Noam Chomsky.

Winning_Stroke · 10-01-2020 01:35PM

Ah here lads, I thought ye'd be all guns a blazin' for Israel to get that award.

partyguinness · 10-01-2020 01:38PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

I was shocked to see the pictures of Ghenghis Khan on the banknotes when I was in Mongolia.

Not at all. He has Godlike status in Mongolia.

jester77 · 10-01-2020 01:40PM

US are only looking out for their own business interests, US politics are controlled by large corporate entities and they are looking out for themselves. And the saddest part is they have enough of the US public brainwashed into voting puppets into power to keep the status quo.

It's not a coincidence that this Iran issue is now bubbling with a general election on the horizon.

Bricriu wrote: »

Not only is the US the most extreme terrorist nation, it is the greatest force for instability for nearly every country in the World.
It's filthy hands can be found at the bottom of a lot of international atrocities.

For an academic, thoroughly researched catalogue of some of the US's worst atrocities in the last 50 years, read Canadian intellectual Naomi Klein's brilliant book The Shock Doctrine - a must-read for anyone who wishes to know how the World works.

For further info read US intellectual Noam Chomsky.

That's a must read, great book.

Edgware · 10-01-2020 01:41PM

Bricriu wrote: »

Not only is the US the most extreme terrorist nation, it is the greatest force for instability for nearly every country in the World.
It's filthy hands can be found at the bottom of a lot of international atrocities.

For an academic, thoroughly researched catalogue of some of the US's worst atrocities in the last 50 years, read Canadian intellectual Naomi Klein's brilliant book The Shock Doctrine - a must-read for anyone who wishes to know how the World works.

For further info read US intellectual Noam Chomsky.

You were doing fine until you wheeled in that scote Chomsky. Why is it every pinko thinks the sun shines out his arse?

Rodin · 10-01-2020 01:43PM

sxt wrote: »

Terrorism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization

A Country that can attack and invade oil rich countries with no consequences for their actions. A country that can invade Iraq under false pretenses killing up to 1 million people, according to the British lanclet report, and suffer no consequences

A country that can impose crippling sanctions on oil rich countries

A country that is willing to drop atomic bombs with the knowledge that it will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Was it An absolutely hideous war crime that was used as a political tool?

Admiral Leahy, Chief of Staff to presidents Roosevelt and Truman, later commented:

"It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children

General Douglas MacArthur, Commander of US Army forces in the Pacific,

"My staff was unanimous in believing that Japan was on the point of collapse and surrender"

Admiral William Halsey, commander of the U.S. Third Fleet,

"the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment." The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the
bomb was used.

Yes.

BeerWolf · 10-01-2020 01:43PM

When the US spends an insane amount on Military compared to other countries combined, selling their weapons and all... war is a huge money maker, so it's hardly surprising they want to be the "world police" delving into the affairs of every country possible.

10-01-2020 01:45PM

Vote yes and your J1 application may be declined :pac:

marieholmfan · 10-01-2020 02:06PM

partyguinness wrote: »

Not at all. He has Godlike status in Mongolia.

Yeah they love him and see him as a force for good in history.

10-01-2020 02:25PM

partyguinness wrote: »

I visited the War Remanent Museum in Ho Chi Minh in 2010. There is a whole room dictated to Agent Orange and Napalm with photographs showing the effects on the Vietnamese population.

Not a comfortable place to be especially if you are American.

Same. Interesting place, Vietnam. Same with the memorials in Cambodia about the people killed by US airstrikes, carpet bombing, and the dropping of mines in a country the US was neutral with.

RobertKK wrote:

The drones should be listed as a form of state terrorism, no one could live under a drone humming overhead 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as it seeks its target, not knowing when the payload will be delivered, it kills many innocent people who get associated with the 'declared' terrorist if in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You could also add the use of private contractors, black sites, and their perspective on "collateral damage".. High precision weaponry that often kills the innocent.. Ever notice how a report of collateral damage comes up, but it's forgotten pretty quickly afterwards these days? People have become so used to hearing about it happening, that it's no longer shocking that it does, and there's rarely any demands for accountability. No heads get chopped. It's become a necessary evil.

partyguinness · 10-01-2020 02:28PM

Then again I was in Peru years ago and they despise the Spanish.

Mad_maxx · 10-01-2020 02:43PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'll repeat myself and ask; from the viable options, who would you rather be the dominant world power if not the US?

They are the least worst option of the thug nations

Zebra3 · 10-01-2020 03:38PM

partyguinness wrote: »

It is widely accepted that dropping the nukes on Japan was not solely about ending the war with Japan.

It was used by the US to demonstrate to the rest of the world (well the Russians really) that they had nukes.

Sure so what if 200-300k civilians get incinerated and without warning- without doubt two of the single greatest wartime atrocities committed in human history.

Good old Uncle Sam.

I was in Hiroshima a few years ago.

Interesting fact in the peace museum there was that the US preserved four Japanese cities to test their bombs on.

After all, no point dropping the bombs on a city that has already been damaged when you want to see the full effect of it. And let other nations see the full effect.

partyguinness · 10-01-2020 03:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'll repeat myself and ask; from the viable options, who would you rather be the dominant world power if not the US?

You assume that there are other entities that wish to act in the same manner as the US.

James Brown · 10-01-2020 03:48PM

Decent people everywhere. It's the big money men start, instigate and enrich themselves from all conflict.

suicide_circus wrote: »

based on the way Russia and China treat their own citizens, i'm very glad the US is the one in the driving seat militarily.

I'd say the way U.S. companies such as Apple and Nike supply them with business and we do with custom, has a lot to answer for on that too.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-01-2020 07:05PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

Only 12 in the period during which the USSR existed. You've edited your post after the response and I'm going to report it.

Mod note: Just to clarify this, there's a short period of time after posting a response where a poster can edit a post to correct any error and no record of the original will exist, unless it's quoted or reported. Unless the above happened, there's no record of anything untoward happening here so please move the conversation along from this as it isn't an issue here.

TIA

Buford T. Justice

s7ryf3925pivug · 10-01-2020 08:21PM

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Mod note: Just to clarify this, there's a short period of time after posting a response where a poster can edit a post to correct any error and no record of the original will exist, unless it's quoted or reported. Unless the above happened, there's no record of anything untoward happening here so please move the conversation along from this as it isn't an issue here.

TIA

Buford T. Justice

Yeah but I didn't edit it. Pretty sure the period of time is less than three minutes, which is how long after my post she replied. Also her post quotes what she accuses me of changing it to after her post, which is impossible.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-01-2020 08:24PM

Edgware wrote: »

You were doing fine until you wheeled in that scote Chomsky. Why is it every pinko thinks the sun shines out his arse?

... as were you until you used the word "pinko".

mondeo · 10-01-2020 10:36PM

Maybe Ireland should write a letter to Putin and request membership of Russia, Mr Varadkar can suggest restarting the Soviet Union again.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-01-2020 11:19PM

mondeo wrote: »

Maybe Ireland should write a letter to Putin and request membership of Russia, Mr Varadkar can suggest restarting the Soviet Union again.

That you Bertie, Y'aul socialist chander ya?!

Edgware · 11-01-2020 11:12AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... as were you until you used the word "pinko".

You're ok with scrote so

Edgware · 11-01-2020 11:14AM

Guess who was right about Iran shooting down the passenger aircraft during the week?
What time is the protest at the Iranian embassy today?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-01-2020 11:45AM

Edgware wrote: »

You're ok with scrote so

That's just you being vulger and attacking the man personally,

"Pinko" just makes you look like you dismiss everything right of centre prejoratively which is pretty ignorant to be honest.

11-01-2020 08:44PM

Edgware wrote: »

Guess who was right about Iran shooting down the passenger aircraft during the week?
What time is the protest at the Iranian embassy today?

Who? Santa?

It's still too early for a comprehensive examination without the political pressure associated. I'll wait a while longer before jumping to conclusions. There are far too many agenda's present right now.

Is the U.S.A. the most extreme terrorist nation?

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