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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I know this might not be on the top of the list of priorities for trump but for all Irans issues it is an history rich country with one of the oldest civilisations in the world with loads of unesco world heritage sites within its borders. I know trump was talking anout cultural targets which I took to mean those world heritage sites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Ref Iranian response to the killing, nations in that region believe in blood-revenge. I have no doubt that Iran will exact its revenge in some manner, probably in a way that Don can't respond to without been seen as an utterly irresponsible thug.

    Trump is perhaps unique as a US president in having a ridiculous number of potential vulnerabilities. Every Trump property, resort, business and associate is now a real target, and many of these are scattered around the globe far from the reach of the US security services.

    Probably not a good time to plan a trip to Doonbeg.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 42 mickdoocey


    hard to know how this will turn out. it has potential to really blow up in trumps face but if he seen to force Iran to back down he will be a shoe in for November regardless of what happens the rest of the year.

    what do iran do now, if they hit back even through a proxy Trump could attack them by air.
    he might be crazy enough to do it, and Iran have to be wary it could end very badly for them.

    If it was my decision Iran should keep the powder dry until November, trump could lose and then they could request his arrest for war crimes. The democrats are that zany they would hand him over .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Esper has just announced that the US WILL NOT strike cultural sites.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It's unfortunate that Trump has led it to the point that the DoD has to state the blindingly obvious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,128 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It's unfortunate that Trump has led it to the point that the DoD has to state the blindingly obvious.

    What's truly so unfortunate is that it has taken so many people so long to see what was so blindingly obvious from the get go -

    that Trump is a snakeoil salesman who is so far out of his depth it is frightening, and will scorch the earth to save his own skin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Esper has just announced that the US WILL NOT strike cultural sites.
    Mark Esper will be next for the chop so. You don't contradict Trump, even when he's been meddling in your department. Sounds like the DoD is in disarray after Esper left his senior team out of the loop on the Soleimani killing; perhaps at Trump's demand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    droidus wrote: »
    Trump is perhaps unique as a US president in having a ridiculous number of potential vulnerabilities. Every Trump property, resort, business and associate is now a real target, and many of these are scattered around the globe far from the reach of the US security services.

    Probably not a good time to plan a trip to Doonbeg.

    Trump would probably love if thez destroyed his buildings, he would love the insurance pay outs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,828 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    seamus wrote: »
    Mark Esper will be next for the chop so. You don't contradict Trump, even when he's been meddling in your department. Sounds like the DoD is in disarray after Esper left his senior team out of the loop on the Soleimani killing; perhaps at Trump's demand.

    Seems likely, especially since his chief of staff just resigned, to be replaced by some GOP functionary with defense experience. This administration is like watching a blender on high speed with the lid removed stuff flys out so fast you can't keep track.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/defense-secretary-chief-of-staff-094717


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Seems likely, especially since his chief of staff just resigned, to be replaced by some GOP functionary with defense experience. This administration is like watching a blender on high speed with the lid removed stuff flys out so fast you can't keep track.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/defense-secretary-chief-of-staff-094717

    This so soon after losing his Sec of Navy, not good. I think Mike Pompeo is starting to backtrack from the position of total support for Don when it comes to what the US might do if and when Iran reacts to the killing. He can't do a denial of Don yet and still hold his job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What's truly so unfortunate is that it has taken so many people so long to see what was so blindingly obvious from the get go -

    that Trump is a snakeoil salesman who is so far out of his depth it is frightening, and will scorch the earth to save his own skin.

    While he's upset the applecart through presidential directives and scared the sh*te out of nations across the globe, as a socio-political experiment by the GOP for the office of POTUS, Don is a total failure. He's woken the US, for good or bad, to what happens when it elects a tyro to the top office in the land.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,128 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    aloyisious wrote: »
    While he's upset the applecart through presidential directives and scared the sh*te out of nations across the globe, as a socio-political experiment by the GOP for the office of POTUS, Don is a total failure. He's woken the US, for good or bad, to what happens when it elects a tyro to the top office in the land.

    What sickens me is that when he becomes indefensible to those that should have frankly copped on a lot sooner to his gig, they will maintain that they were right to stand behind the Commander in Chief and try and rationalise their plain stupidity in supporting him in the first place. Moreover, I wager they will criticise others, who were right in their evaluation of him, saying either we never gave him a chance, or that the right time to stop supporting him was when they said so.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,574 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    SNIP.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,574 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Ok, take the World War II stuff to the History & Heritage forum please.

    Post edited.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,574 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Brian? wrote: »
    SNIP.

    Apologies mods. Saw the warning too late.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,128 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The lawyer for Lev Parnas is playing a blinder on the PR front..


    https://twitter.com/josephabondy/status/1214392685592752128?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Senior Trump advisor, Roger Stone's sealed court documents from his conviction have been released.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/feds-to-hand-over-roger-stone-records-to-media-outlets/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Seems likely, especially since his chief of staff just resigned, to be replaced by some GOP functionary with defense experience. This administration is like watching a blender on high speed with the lid removed stuff flys out so fast you can't keep track.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/defense-secretary-chief-of-staff-094717

    The CoS has been expected to resign for some time, he was a temporary hold-over from the previous SecDef and has long expressed an interest in returning to the private sector.

    The replacement may be "some GOP functionary with defense experience", but if she was a senior advisor to Dunford (as per the politico article) she is also a very competent GOP functionary with defense experience. I also like her apparent focus on cyber.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    droidus wrote: »
    Trump is perhaps unique as a US president in having a ridiculous number of potential vulnerabilities. Every Trump property, resort, business and associate is now a real target, and many of these are scattered around the globe far from the reach of the US security services.

    Probably not a good time to plan a trip to Doonbeg.

    Do the Iranians personalise it against Trump? Or do they see it as yet another instance of US interference which has been constant (in their minds) since 1979?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The replacement may be "some GOP functionary with defense experience", but if she was a senior advisor to Dunford (as per the politico article) she is also a very competent GOP functionary with defense experience. I also like her apparent focus on cyber.

    That has an entirely different meaning online. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Do the Iranians personalise it against Trump? Or do they see it as yet another instance of US interference which has been constant (in their minds) since 1979?
    Anything that would count as a strike against a US target, including the president's own company would be considered fair game by them I would say.

    However I would really expect them to stay focused in the region. Trump has made a hash of this and point blank refusal to show any evidence as to why this assassination was needed is a big issue as well.

    Until they show it evidence I will assume it is with the evidence of WMDs. Trump should be assumed to be lying till proven otherwise at this point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    Do the Iranians personalise it against Trump? Or do they see it as yet another instance of US interference which has been constant (in their minds) since 1979?

    Since 1953 and Mosaddegh at least.

    Agree with the above. Any US target would be seen as legitimate, though I imagine Trump's properties would offer a very tempting target. it would be interesting to see how this would be viewed in international, or even US law. Can an attack against a president's businesses be seen as an attack against the US considering that a president isnt even supposed to own those businesses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    droidus wrote: »
    Since 1953 and Mosaddegh at least.

    Agree with the above. Any US target would be seen as legitimate, though I imagine Trump's properties would offer a very tempting target. it would be interesting to see how this would be viewed in international, or even US law. Can an attack against a president's businesses be seen as an attack against the US considering that a president isnt even supposed to own those businesses?

    Any attacker probably being revenge-minded against the Great Satan, anything bearing the mark of Uncle Sam will do as a target as the religious see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,828 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Igotadose wrote: »

    It really is one rule for one group and another for the other.

    6 months for what he did? Remember he got his son let off. Imagine some poor person robbing a convenience store?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It really is one rule for one group and another for the other.

    6 months for what he did? Remember he got his son let off. Imagine some poor person robbing a convenience store?


    All depends on how much he ratted out over the last few year or so...did he not sing like a canary (for a while anyway..) a lot of prosecutions and investigations are waiting until The great Orange one is either kicked out of office by impeachment or voted out at the end of this year

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    According to trump Bolton wouldn’t know anything about the Ukraine issue. Well let’s see if John Bolton really doesn’t know anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,128 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It really is one rule for one group and another for the other.

    6 months for what he did? Remember he got his son let off. Imagine some poor person robbing a convenience store?

    Good thing the judge hates his guts.

    Hope he throws the book at him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Fonny122


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It really is one rule for one group and another for the other.

    6 months for what he did? Remember he got his son let off. Imagine some poor person robbing a convenience store?
    Don't forget that the DOJ (who also don't seem all that pushed on investigating how Epstein got murdered under their watch) is headed by William Barr who has been found to be reacting items left, right and centre that he has no right to, on a whole number of documents under investigation.

    He also got the job on the back of a 19 page letter he wrote to Trump about how he would essentially make sure he never had to face the law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,557 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy



    The Iranians ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,557 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,627 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Hilary was supposed to be a war monger but we see the truth now

    It's looking like war is starting and caused by that buffoon in the White House


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I wonder in my life time(I'm in my mid thirties) will I ever see a Middle East at peace. I've never known it to not be in some kind of turmoil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard are taking responsibility for the rocket attack. Steph Grissom, W/h press Sec: President and NSC are aware of and monitoring the situation. If there are no US casualties and the base is Iraqi, there can be a disclaimer by Don that NO US interests were attacked but that's up to him and cool heads [if they can keep him in a sensible mood] despite Don talking about the US money used to build up the base. It seems that along with Iraqi fighter aircraft squadrons and the US using it, the UK has forces there as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard are taking responsibility for the rocket attack.

    Well at least we weren't kept in suspense. Trump said the ball was in Irans court but it looks like the ball has come over the net to tar Americans. So your move president trump.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,557 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well at least we weren't kept in suspense. Trump said the ball was in Irans court but it looks like the ball has come over the net to tar Americans. So your move president trump.

    Convenient opportunity to test out new hardware against Iranian air defense systems :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The ante has been upped by the IRG saying it will target any state which "enables" US aggression. I assume that means Saudi Arabia, not sure if it also refers to Turkey as both countries have US bases.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,574 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: I'm locking this. New thread is here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058043510

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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