BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

kalkat2002 · 05-01-2020 08:22AM

Driving a c max 1.6
If you want sensations is not your engine
If you want a bulletproof engine for your missus and forget her ...it is your choice
Said this until 4000 rpm is lazy but from this to around 6300 rpm what I like is the continuous power without any loss
Thirsty drives compensated so far with no visits to the mechanic

TommyGun2017 · 05-01-2020 04:33PM

High spec, high mileage 2008 Laguna 2.0 diesel with Tax and NCT for under €900.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/23870931

WestWicklow1 · 05-01-2020 05:43PM

A friend is thinking of buying a Lexus 220D.

Are there any issues with that engine/gearbox/car that you know of?

Working class heroes · 05-01-2020 06:06PM

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

A friend is thinking of buying a Lexus 220D.

Are there any issues with that engine/gearbox/car that you know of?

Terrible, absolutely terrible engine. Those engine were just lobbed into those just to keep up with the popularity of Deisel.

FirstIn · 05-01-2020 08:45PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

Terrible, absolutely terrible engine. Those engine were just lobbed into those just to keep up with the popularity of Deisel.

Bit like Honda. When I hear of people wanting a diesel Honda , I always dismay. The best and I believe the largest petrol engine manufacturer in the world and you want a diesel from them. Mad.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-01-2020 09:32PM

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

A friend is thinking of buying a Lexus 220D.

Are there any issues with that engine/gearbox/car that you know of?

He'd be better off piling the money up and setting fire to it.

grogi · 05-01-2020 09:34PM

FirstIn wrote: »

Bit like Honda. When I hear of people wanting a diesel Honda , I always dismay. The best and I believe the largest petrol engine manufacturer in the world and you want a diesel from them. Mad.

And what is wrong with 2.2 diesel from Honda?!

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 09:45PM

Any 220d lexus I've seen on the road is smoking like a coal plant.....

They are up there with Mazda diesel to the point I'd have more faith and belief in a chocalate engine.....

Absolutely nuts to even think of one....

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 09:46PM

grogi wrote: »

And what is wrong with 2.2 diesel from Honda?!

Crack manifold and few other bits....
They weren't as reliable as any other petrol engines especially the VTEC.....
VTEC were or are bullet proof.

kqcregg · 05-01-2020 10:40PM

Hi all. Getting the itch to change my current bangernomics 2005 Honda accord 2.0 petrol. Great car but a bit thirsty at just under 34 mpg based on nearly 39k miles in 28 months. Mixed driving.

In keeping with the idea of this thread my previous two bangernomics were replaced at end of life (00 1.2 punto after over 2 years + 01 1.6 avensis after 3 years) so this is a bit of a change for the sake of it.

Torn between staying petrol or going diesel. For petrol I'm thinking of a Mazda 6 1.8 2nd gen 2008 onwards. Any opinions? Any owners on here that can advise on actual mpg?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2009-mazda-6/23730826

For diesel something like a volvo v50 1.6 or one of the Renault 1.5 dci like a Fluence or megane or Hyundai i30 1.6

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-volvo-v50-1-6-diesel/23467243

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-renault-megane-estate1-5/23874275

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-i30-new-nct/23251103

The fear of the big diesel issues is the main concern!

colm_mcm · 05-01-2020 10:41PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Crack manifold and few other bits....
They weren't as reliable as any other petrol engines especially the VTEC.....
VTEC were or are bullet proof.

Yeah but if you want/need a diesel a petrol is shag all good to you.

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 10:47PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yeah but if you want/need a diesel a petrol is shag all good to you.

Oh fully agree, loved the torque in them....

I'll be honest I'm depressed driving the megane.... So miss power...

Duke O Smiley · 05-01-2020 10:50PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-opel-astra-for-sale-last-ever-lyons-tea-car/23872542

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M2FhNTc4YzlkMWI1YTBhZWJmMWM0NThhNDI1Yjg0YjS-OWk5AFztSJbmK8uiegwnaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL2RvbmVkZWFsLmllLXBob3Rvcy9waG90b18xMzkyNDA4NzJ8fHw2MDB4NjAwfHx8fHx8fHw=.jpeg

1 owner, years test, small bit of tax and:

The car was originally the last ever prize in the Lyons tea minstrels back in 2001

€500

It actually looks like a very nice example

bazz26 · 05-01-2020 11:12PM

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

A friend is thinking of buying a Lexus 220D.

Are there any issues with that engine/gearbox/car that you know of?

Head gasket failure,
EGR problems and carbon build up.

Best avoided unless you like visiting your mechanic regularly.

angrybeaver · 05-01-2020 11:27PM

kqcregg wrote: »

Hi all. Getting the itch to change my current bangernomics 2005 Honda accord 2.0 petrol. Great car but a bit thirsty at just under 34 mpg based on nearly 39k miles in 28 months. Mixed driving.

In keeping with the idea of this thread my previous two bangernomics were replaced at end of life (00 1.2 punto after over 2 years + 01 1.6 avensis after 3 years) so this is a bit of a change for the sake of it.

Torn between staying petrol or going diesel. For petrol I'm thinking of a Mazda 6 1.8 2nd gen 2008 onwards. Any opinions? Any owners on here that can advise on actual mpg?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2009-mazda-6/23730826

For diesel something like a volvo v50 1.6 or one of the Renault 1.5 dci like a Fluence or megane or Hyundai i30 1.6

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-volvo-v50-1-6-diesel/23467243

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-renault-megane-estate1-5/23874275

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-i30-new-nct/23251103

The fear of the big diesel issues is the main concern!

Those Mazda 6 with the 1.8 petrol engine is as you’d expect thirsty but fairly reliable. Not overly exciting to drive.

I’m in a similar debate at the moment myself, I’d lean towards one of the 1.5dci engined Renaults purely on value. They seem to be able to put up high mileage if looked after.

rn · 06-01-2020 02:23AM

There were lots of those volvo v50 1.6 diesels bought by work colleagues in the 06-10 period. I knew 5 owners. All lovely cars, well finished.

However all gave significant engine trouble before they were 6 years old. No owners left in the office now.

I believe the much rarer 2.0l is more reliable.

grogi · 06-01-2020 09:38AM

angrybeaver wrote: »

Those Mazda 6 with the 1.8 petrol engine is as you’d expect thirsty but fairly reliable. Not overly exciting to drive.

I'd say it is completely opposite. They are not particularly thirsty, but far from beig reliable.

Those engines have very weak oil rings. Oil rings let some oil go through and burn, the level goes down very fast (1l/1000km is completely normal). But this is not the biggest problem - if you let the oil level go too low (which is relatively easy), you'll wear other rings and the compression goes shopping. This very soon fails the car at the NCT. On top of that the everlasting issues with corrosion.

Fantastic cars, very nicely built and superb to drive. But not reliable at all.

angrybeaver · 06-01-2020 09:46AM

grogi wrote: »

I'd say it is completely opposite. They are not particularly thirsty, but far from beig reliable.

Those engines have very weak oil rings. Oil rings let some oil go through and burn, the level goes down very fast (1l/1000km is completely normal). But this is not the biggest problem - if you let the oil level go too low (which is relatively easy), you'll wear other rings and the compression goes shopping. This very soon fails the car at the NCT. On top of that the everlasting issues with corrosion.

Fantastic cars, very nicely built and superb to drive. But not reliable at all.

Not reliable at all?

I disagree, I ran one for 3 years without any major issue. My father had one for a similar time without issue. Surprised to hear them as not reliable at all. But just my experience of them.

On the consumption, I found it as thirsty as 2.0 petrols I had.

tabby aspreme · 06-01-2020 09:50AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Crack manifold and few other bits....
They weren't as reliable as any other petrol engines especially the VTEC.....
VTEC were or are bullet proof.

303k miles on a 2.2 Honda, and never a spanner on the engine yet

06-01-2020 11:26AM

Hi,

I am in the market for a car as well.
Currently have a VW Passat 1.9 TDI 2003, 205,000 on it.
I think that car has got to go.

However I spotted a link posted by angrybeaver which has got my interest - Sorry Angrybeaver for showing interest in an ad that you posted !
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-renault-megane-estate1-5/23874275
What do the educated folk on here think of this ?

punisher5112 · 06-01-2020 11:29AM

6541 wrote: »

Hi,

I am in the market for a car as well.
Currently have a VW Passat 1.9 TDI 2003, 205,000 on it.
I think that car has got to go.

However I spotted a link posted by angrybeaver which has got my interest - Sorry Angrybeaver for showing interest in an ad that you posted !
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-renault-megane-estate1-5/23874275
What do the educated folk on here think of this ?

Honestly it will be a serious let down from where you are as in comfort and power imo.

However they are a good motor, and in estate form definitely more roomy.

Have the hatch and its quite cramped for me.

Reliable as most other out there now too.

I just got it as needed diesel, cruise control and Bluetooth etc..

Nemeses2050 · 06-01-2020 11:30AM

how you folks, speaking of Honda's, i'm looking at this 1.8 petrol from 2008, anything to watch out please? would really appreciate any advice.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2020 11:31AM

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

how you folks, speaking of Honda's, i'm looking at this 1.8 petrol from 2008, anything to watch out please? would really appreciate any advice.

Nothing too much been a Honda.

They're quite good on juice too.

Nice motors.

ambro25 · 06-01-2020 11:41AM

rn wrote: »

There were lots of those volvo v50 1.6 diesels bought by work colleagues in the 06-10 period. I knew 5 owners. All lovely cars, well finished.

However all gave significant engine trouble before they were 6 years old. No owners left in the office now.

I believe the much rarer 2.0l is more reliable.

Had the misfortune of owning a late Friday shift-built 08 2.0d V50.

The car was really well specced and supremely comfortable, and the engine might have been reliable, but the car had more Gremlins in its electronics than both Joe Dante's movies put together. Started with the DPF sensor (at around 60kmiles, yet car was driven daily on fast roads) and it all went downhill fast from that, both dealers and specialist indies could never get it right afterwards.

The think kept going into Limp mode due to misbehaving sensors (or algos self-conflicting) and the last straw for me was when the 'management unit' declared a 'major brake system fault' out of the blue, and disconnected the ignition on the spot (full disconnect, not Limp mode)...while I was cruising at 50 mph on an A road in the middle of a queue of traffic, in the dark (evening winter commute). Engine cut off, and not jump starting from clutching the gearbox, leaving me to coast to a stop. A dealer check later, and nothing wrong whatsoever with the brakes, just the sensors and the electronics continuing their f***** about. I got rid fast, and never Volvo ever again (went back to Subaru).

I still can't decide which, of this and a Fiat Brava 1.6 SX (97), is the worst car I've ever owned

kqcregg · 06-01-2020 12:16PM

grogi wrote: »

I'd say it is completely opposite. They are not particularly thirsty, but far from beig reliable.

Those engines have very weak oil rings. Oil rings let some oil go through and burn, the level goes down very fast (1l/1000km is completely normal). But this is not the biggest problem - if you let the oil level go too low (which is relatively easy), you'll wear other rings and the compression goes shopping. This very soon fails the car at the NCT. On top of that the everlasting issues with corrosion.

Fantastic cars, very nicely built and superb to drive. But not reliable at all.

That's my main worry with the Maxda 6. Theres a few on Donedeal but with short NCT's and recent change of ownerships! Might look at a Civic saloon instead or 1.8 Avensis.

flexcon · 06-01-2020 12:22PM

grogi wrote: »

I'd say it is completely opposite. They are not particularly thirsty, but far from beig reliable.

Those engines have very weak oil rings. Oil rings let some oil go through and burn, the level goes down very fast (1l/1000km is completely normal). But this is not the biggest problem - if you let the oil level go too low (which is relatively easy), you'll wear other rings and the compression goes shopping. This very soon fails the car at the NCT. On top of that the everlasting issues with corrosion.

Fantastic cars, very nicely built and superb to drive. But not reliable at all.

I have a 08 Mazda 6 1.8 2nd gen, 110,000 Km and have this exact issue right now. Practically going through 5litres of oil every 3 months, which is almost spot on 1litre/1000.

However, outside filling her up with oil, she has been seriously reliable. So once I keep an eye on the oil, the car flies it.

Sluggish drive, but really really quite and comfortable.

CrankyHaus · 06-01-2020 12:35PM

kqcregg wrote: »

Hi all. Getting the itch to change my current bangernomics 2005 Honda accord 2.0 petrol. Great car but a bit thirsty at just under 34 mpg based on nearly 39k miles in 28 months. Mixed driving.

In keeping with the idea of this thread my previous two bangernomics were replaced at end of life (00 1.2 punto after over 2 years + 01 1.6 avensis after 3 years) so this is a bit of a change for the sake of it.

Torn between staying petrol or going diesel. For petrol I'm thinking of a Mazda 6 1.8 2nd gen 2008 onwards. Any opinions? Any owners on here that can advise on actual mpg?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2009-mazda-6/23730826

For diesel something like a volvo v50 1.6 or one of the Renault 1.5 dci like a Fluence or megane or Hyundai i30 1.6

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-volvo-v50-1-6-diesel/23467243

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-renault-megane-estate1-5/23874275

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-i30-new-nct/23251103

The fear of the big diesel issues is the main concern!

I was in an identical situation a couple of years ago. I'd say you'll miss your Accord if you go into any of those cars. If staying with petrol I'd keep the Honda, or maybe get a Civic for better fuel economy (hardly worth the expense and hassle).

If diesel out of those 3 I'd go for the Megane or something with the 1.5 DCI. I looked at V50s because a friend had a petrol one and they're very nice inside, but the Diesels did not inspire confidence. Some VAG stuff with the 1.9 or 2.0 diesels like a 2008 or up Leon or Octavia might also do the trick.

Edit: have a look at diesel Saabs in the UK also. Good value available. Supposed to be reasonably reliable.

Kilboor · 06-01-2020 12:42PM

Thoughts on this Civic? In the market at the moment for a bangernomic.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civc-i-v-tec-petrol-nct-11-20-superb-car/23738479

CoBo55 · 06-01-2020 12:46PM

Kilboor wrote: »

Thoughts on this Civic? In the market at the moment for a bangernomic.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civc-i-v-tec-petrol-nct-11-20-superb-car/23738479

Lovely car, strong money though. Offer him 1500 you'd have a brilliant car.

Kilboor · 06-01-2020 12:48PM

CoBo55 wrote: »

Lovely car, strong money though. Offer him 1500 you'd have a brilliant car.

Thanks, are all the 1.8s 140 bhp?

BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

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