Mens Rights Thread

Reviews and Books Galore · 13-12-2019 03:11PM

Yeah, I decided I would vote for trump if I was american. I honestly feel like the hatred for men is more damaging than anything one president (who may even be an asset) can do.

Also, anybody remember when it was said only female politicians had their appearance critiqued? :P

iptba · 14-12-2019 03:11AM

Alimony rules about the change in the Netherlands

As of January 1, 2020, there will be a new law which will determine the new maximum period a person has to pay alimony for after a divorce. The new law will be applicable to all new divorce procedures, initiated January 1, 2020, or later. At the moment, the maximum period is 12 years after registration of the divorce decree. The new law states that, in principle, the maximum period will now be 5 years and will equal 50% of the duration of the marriage.

For example, if you were married for 6 years, the maximum spousal maintenance period will be 3 years after divorce registration.

https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/alimony-netherlands-what-will-change-2020

iptba · 16-12-2019 03:15AM

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

#InternationalMensDay
#Movember

#CantSeeCantBe

#Femicide2019

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/20x20_ie/status/1197122418441015297?s=11

#16Days
16 Days of Activism for No Violence against Women and Children takes place 25 Nov (Int Day of No Violence against Women) to the 10 Dec (Int Human Rights Day)

#WiTAwards
Women in IT Awards Series
@womeninitawards
The world's largest tech gender diversity events: #WITAwards and #WITSummit
- Ireland
- Silicon Valley
- London
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#16Days
16 Days of Activism for No Violence against Women and Children takes place 25 Nov (Int Day of No Violence against Women) to the 10 Dec (Int Human Rights Day)

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/travelportland/status/1193745972880384002?s=20

iptba · 18-12-2019 02:14PM

Ciara O'Connor: 'There isn't enough time to point out the desperate logic of successful old white men threatened by modernity'

https://www.independent.ie/style/voices/ciara-oconnor-there-isnt-enough-time-to-point-out-the-desperate-logic-of-successful-old-white-men-threatened-by-modernity-38786022.html

This headline is all about a column which just discusses one old white man. And all he is discussing is movies where there isn't any necessarily right or wrong answer.

Hard to see this would seen as an acceptable way to characterise many if not most or all other groups.

H3llR4iser · 18-12-2019 06:49PM

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/style/voices/ciara-oconnor-there-isnt-enough-time-to-point-out-the-desperate-logic-of-successful-old-white-men-threatened-by-modernity-38786022.html

This headline is all about a column which just discusses one old white man. And all he is discussing is movies where there isn't any necessarily right or wrong answer.

Hard to see this would seen as an acceptable way to characterise many if not most or all other groups.

You know what? I'm sick and tired of this - and I'm not even 40, so much more "Millennial" than "old white man". I had written a long and elaborate response, but I can't be bothered. I'm just gonna say this: every generation makes mistakes which are felt decades down the line.

We won't be the exception - from "Anti-Vaxxers" to knee-jerk reactions based on the screams of a crying teenager, from society being reduced to a mirror of social media to "selective acceptable discrimination", these are only some of the disasters future generations will inherit from us. We have no right to belittle those who came before us and literally built this world out of the rubble of WWII, physically AND socially; In comparison, our biggest achievements look like a toddler managing not to pee their pants.

Also, remember, what goes around comes around; If the trajectory of "ideological prevarication" keeps on this path, we can pretty much expect to be persecuted and executed publicly by the time we're 60 years old by the "neo roarers" or something like that (basically, those born after 2020). Dystopian Sci-Fi? I hope so.

Calhoun · 18-12-2019 07:06PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

You know what? I'm sick and tired of this - and I'm not even 40, so much more "Millennial" than "old white man". I had written a long and elaborate response, but I can't be bothered. I'm just gonna say this: every generation makes mistakes which are felt decades down the line.

We won't be the exception - from "Anti-Vaxxers" to knee-jerk reactions based on the screams of a crying teenager, from society being reduced to a mirror of social media to "selective acceptable discrimination", these are only some of the disasters future generations will inherit from us. We have no right to belittle those who came before us and literally built this world out of the rubble of WWII, physically AND socially; In comparison, our biggest achievements look like a toddler managing not to pee their pants.

Also, remember, what goes around comes around; If the trajectory of "ideological prevarication" keeps on this path, we can pretty much expect to be persecuted and executed publicly by the time we're 60 years old by the "neo roarers" or something like that (basically, those born after 2020). Dystopian Sci-Fi? I hope so.

Our generation are the ones who have seen Trump and Johnson being voted into office. Not because they were great politicians or they pulled the wool over peoples eyes but because we let a small elite who weaponized the internet to have a bigger voice than 90% of the population.

They failed to then realize attacking people and sowing discourse does not get you votes but further alienates.

iptba · 19-12-2019 03:51PM

A separated father of three with joint custody and access rights has won a significant Supreme Court appeal over Dublin City Council’s categorisation of him on its housing list as a one-person household.

The council must now reconsider the man’s application in line with the court’s findings, including the council is not entitled to operate a “blanket” policy towards such persons but must assess their individual circumstances.

The five judge court’s unanimous ruling has implications for more than 800 separated persons in similar situations on the council’s housing list who were treated as single person households, meaning a lower Housing Assistant Payment (HAP), after their former partner was categorised as a larger household with a larger HAP.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/separated-father-wins-supreme-court-appeal-on-housing-support-1.4120483

iptba · 23-12-2019 07:49PM

1. Greta Thunberg

The opener “Nothing against Greta – I’m a great man for the recycling and the paper cups myself – I’m just worried about her. She’s being manipulated. You can see it in her eyes. She’d rather be at home lying on her bed and staring morosely at a screen like any normal teenager.”

The comeback “Actually, I think what you’re seeing in her eyes is contempt for the middle-aged men faking concern for her wellbeing instead of taking action on the climate crisis. Funny how nobody ever seems to worry about David Attenborough being a puppet of the Russians or a stooge of Soros.”

Fight factor 8/10. Few things are as triggering to a certain type of middle-aged man as the mere mention of Greta Thunberg. If your family has its own Jeremy Clarkson we suggest you wade right in.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/this-year-s-top-10-christmas-conversation-killers-1.4099427

Wonder is there much evidence for the bit in bold.

logseman · 23-12-2019 07:53PM

iptba wrote: »

Wonder is there much evidence for the bit in bold.

Someone is taking time of his day to go to an Irish online board and quote a rag in order to say "Wonder if there is much evidence" to a selected bit that has been even bolded. More stoic spirits wouldn't / don't.

iptba · 23-12-2019 08:03PM

logseman wrote: »

Someone is taking time of his day to go to an Irish online board and quote a rag in order to say "Wonder if there is much evidence" to a selected bit that has been even bolded. More stoic spirits wouldn't / don't.

Yes, one of the things I do on this thread is highlight some criticisms of men in the national media; it doesn't take much time for me to copy and paste bits as I'm reading online at my desktop anyway.

And the Irish Times is considered the paper of record.

Somebody shared similar concerns to mine in a comment underneath the article:

When did it become ok to generalise about a group of people and lash them all en masse for a stereotype? Was that not stopped years ago? Why do white middle aged men have to accept this kind of treatment when nobody would dare spit generalisations and stereotypes at any other grouping of people? Not all white middle aged men conform to the cheap tabloid stereotype vomited out here and I think it is reasonable and even necessary to object to it. IT should demand better for its content.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/this-year-s-top-10-christmas-conversation-killers-1.4099427?__vfz=medium%3Dcomment_share_email#vf-1731700019655

Silentcorner · 23-12-2019 08:22PM

Actually, in the age of constant hysteria...if the last few years have taught us anything, it is that middle aged white men are the least likely to buy into that hysteria!!

Calhoun · 23-12-2019 10:55PM

What I find funny is it's always the holier than dou preacher who apparently accepts all people and wants to end racism and the like that stereotypes.

They fail to understand that hate begets hate, and unless they embrace tolerance then don't expect the world to change.

I am ok with that as it's human nature I just find it hilarious.

23-12-2019 11:39PM

iptba wrote: »

And the Irish Times is considered the paper of record.

:D

Not any more its not. Its almost an activist paper now. Very very entrenched in the liberal agenda.

Silentcorner · 23-12-2019 11:47PM

F##k all Liberal about a lot of these agendas....no liberal agenda would use the toxic terminology we are seeing as the norm today!

Calhoun · 23-12-2019 11:53PM

Thats just it isn't it, its a harder line agenda masquerading as middle of the ground.

Traditional media is going through its deaththrows, the IT is no exception and they have steadily picked up more and more click baitey type of journalists.

I still put more stock in some of their serious articles and i dont overly avoid it but i just don't take it for gospel like people would in days gone by.

Silentcorner · 24-12-2019 12:01AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Thats just it isn't it, its a harder line agenda masquerading as middle of the ground.

Traditional media is going through its deaththrows, the IT is no exception and they have steadily picked up more and more click baitey type of journalists.

I still put more stock in some of their serious articles and i dont overly avoid it but i just don't take it for gospel like people would in days gone by.

People do not seem to realise that feminism is hard left ideology...embracing it makes no commercial sense in the long run!!

Calhoun · 24-12-2019 12:14AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

People do not seem to realise that feminism is hard left ideology...embracing it makes no commercial sense in the long run!!

We have seen quite a number of examples recently where the counter culture is actually moving heavily toward the right. Its kinda blown up in their face.

Silentcorner · 24-12-2019 12:38AM

Calhoun wrote: »

We have seen quite a number of examples recently where the counter culture is actually moving heavily toward the right. Its kinda blown up in their face.

I mentioned before that I believe we are witnessing peak feminism, we are also witnessing peak woke culture in media and culture...on this island we tend to be behind the rest of the world in these matters, our media are further behind again...Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are not leaders, they are opportunists, they recognise this very clear shift in the electorate, the Democrats and Labour are completely clueless and will not see power for at least a decade in the US or the UK.

You know when we are teaching kids, who also believe in Santa, that there are 92 genders the liberal/left agenda has gone too far!!

Media that have take the feminist/sjw Editorial direction will soon find out that it will be the final nail in their coffins!

24-12-2019 08:30AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I mentioned before that I believe we are witnessing peak feminism,

We are seeing an evolution of feminism. Just as we had the 1st wave, 2nd wave, etc. Feminism isn't going to disappear. It's pushed the boundaries and found out how far they can push things. There will be some push back (eventually), but you're fooling yourself if you think they're going to lose most of what they've gained.

There are feminists established at every level of authority from business to the government. They're not going to lose their jobs, and so have a platform to continue pushing their agendas. Some will be discredited, some displaced, but those with an ounce of sense will be able to continue shaping society the way they please. Just look at every level of education, women make up the majority of teachers, and while not every woman is a feminist, there's still enough who will be around to shape future generations.

iptba · 26-12-2019 04:04AM

Why do some women feel a ‘murderous rage’ at Christmas?
‘Women can get very stressed over Christmas . . . believing the fun is in their hands’

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/parenting/why-do-some-women-feel-a-murderous-rage-at-christmas-1.3322999

Quite a bit of this is about complaining men are not doing that much. Though it's not as bad as some articles as it least it mentions a big issue is that women can have high standards for what they want with regard to Christmas and that, in some cases they might be aiming too high.

Padraig Mor · 26-12-2019 11:00AM

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/parenting/why-do-some-women-feel-a-murderous-rage-at-christmas-1.3322999

Quite a bit of this is about complaining men are not doing that much. Though it's not as bad as some articles as it least it mentions a big issue is that women can have high standards for what they want with regard to Christmas and that, in some cases they might be aiming too high.

Sickening. Rhetorical question obviously, but if the genders were reversed, can you imagine the Times printing the following:

“I’ve found a group of friends with kids who are of a similar age – their wives are useless at Christmas! There are four of us and we pick an evening to go to dinner and do some shopping and go to the panto without wives or children".....the group attended an "adult panto" in a pub this year......
......."women are clueless when it comes to Christmas and they don’t understand...... buying the turkey."........
......."Christmas is a big burden for men, far more so than for women".......
........"“It always seems to be the men who take responsibility for these big occasions. I think it’s ingrained into society’s mind-set and into men’s mind-set,”........

Reviews and Books Galore · 26-12-2019 01:50PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Sickening. Rhetorical question obviously, but if the genders were reversed, can you imagine the Times printing the following:

“I’ve found a group of friends with kids who are of a similar age – their wives are useless at Christmas! There are four of us and we pick an evening to go to dinner and do some shopping and go to the panto without wives or children".....the group attended an "adult panto" in a pub this year......
......."women are clueless when it comes to Christmas and they don’t understand...... buying the turkey."........
......."Christmas is a big burden for men, far more so than for women".......
........"“It always seems to be the men who take responsibility for these big occasions. I think it’s ingrained into society’s mind-set and into men’s mind-set,”........

Yeah, I always wonder what percentage the husband pays of the bills in those families :P

Tbh, this is just the same 'ball and chain' bonding thing that men do (until recently) that women also do. You know, complaining about men to your female friends.

I think that's why it's not a good idea to change your behaviour because of female complaints as there will always be more :P

logseman · 26-12-2019 06:00PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Actually, in the age of constant hysteria...if the last few years have taught us anything, it is that middle aged white men are the least likely to buy into that hysteria!!

But when they do, they go to places like Las Vegas and shoot at hundreds of people. There are ways and ways to be “hysterical”, and it may not be a stretch to prefer the tumblr rant without dozens of corpses behind.

Silentcorner · 26-12-2019 06:33PM

logseman wrote: »

But when they do, they go to places like Las Vegas and shoot at hundreds of people. There are ways and ways to be “hysterical”, and it may not be a stretch to prefer the tumblr rant without dozens of corpses behind.

Jesus where did that come from!!! Being a deranged murderer and someone who is getting sucked into hysteria are two different worlds apart...it is nuts that you would conflate the two!!!

Reviews and Books Galore · 26-12-2019 06:39PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Jesus where did that come from!!! Being a deranged murderer and someone who is getting sucked into hysteria are two different worlds apart...it is nuts that you would conflate the two!!!

Men are wild animals. When they get out of control they bite and attack women/ordered society :rolleyes:

iptba · 26-12-2019 06:50PM

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/parenting/why-do-some-women-feel-a-murderous-rage-at-christmas-1.3322999

Quite a bit of this is about complaining men are not doing that much. Though it's not as bad as some articles as it least it mentions a big issue is that women can have high standards for what they want with regard to Christmas and that, in some cases they might be aiming too high.

Another article along similar lines, this time in the Irish Independent:

Lorraine Courtney: 'Us women can be our own worst enemies - we have to stop setting such a bad example'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-us-women-can-be-our-own-worst-enemies-we-have-to-stop-setting-such-a-bad-example-38813036.html

Again, there is some balance with some talk that the pressure can be coming from women themselves and other women.

It also makes points about the rest of the year, but doesn't point out that men do more hours of paid employment and have longer commutes on average.

Limpy · 26-12-2019 06:55PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Thats just it isn't it, its a harder line agenda masquerading as middle of the ground.

Traditional media is going through its deaththrows, the IT is no exception and they have steadily picked up more and more click baitey type of journalists.

I still put more stock in some of their serious articles and i dont overly avoid it but i just don't take it for gospel like people would in days gone by.

But the masses will follow a certain side. They follow the same type of people, pro left/right. They don't care what's the truth once the news conforms to thier view's.

Its like people supporting a soccer team, all they want is positive stories and results. If the other side have a positive story/ result it means where losing.

logseman · 26-12-2019 09:18PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Jesus where did that come from!!! Being a deranged murderer and someone who is getting sucked into hysteria are two different worlds apart...it is nuts that you would conflate the two!!!

There was nothing "deranged" about that murderer, just like there was nothing deranged about the cornucopia of (mostly) younger ones who leave long-winded notes/videos declaring why they ended up shooting whatever university campusd/mosque/gathering of women they did. I tend to take those fellows at their own words, rather than attaching the malady of the day ("derangement/"estrangement"/"mental issues"). There is a belief among them that a war is being fought, and they are armed to the teeth to prepare for it.

I still prefer other ways of looking at reality which may look a bit more ineffectual but don't take human tolls that start to rival The Troubles. Alas, it's not about what I prefer, but about what is fostered, nurtured, glorified and emulated.

Silentcorner · 26-12-2019 09:37PM

logseman wrote: »

There was nothing "deranged" about that murderer, just like there was nothing deranged about the cornucopia of (mostly) younger ones who leave long-winded notes/videos declaring why they ended up shooting whatever university campusd/mosque/gathering of women they did. I tend to take those fellows at their own words, rather than attaching the malady of the day ("derangement/"estrangement"/"mental issues"). There is a belief among them that a war is being fought, and they are armed to the teeth to prepare for it.

I still prefer other ways of looking at reality which may look a bit more ineffectual but don't take human tolls that start to rival The Troubles. Alas, it's not about what I prefer, but about what is fostered, nurtured, glorified and emulated.

That makes no sense whatsoever...sounds good tho...a lot of impressive words, but empty of meaning.

Mass Shootings have been occurring in The States since the 60s...it has nothing to do with the culture of hysteria we are witnessing today....you'd want to have a twisted mind to link the two.

logseman · 26-12-2019 10:28PM

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Men are wild animals. When they get out of control they bite and attack women/ordered society :rolleyes:

Your mate over there is all about "deranged" and "twisted minds" and "the USA". None of those words have been typed by yours truly.

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