Ionity charging network

unkel · 02-12-2019 04:22PM

Sligo, Galway and Limerick would help.

Black_Knight wrote: »

Where did they say 9? I know unkel said it in his opening post, but I couldn't see it mentioned in the link attached.

There's 9 dots on the original map in the link in my opening post. I don't think these locations were accurate though (and it includes 2 in the North)

McGiver · 02-12-2019 11:52PM

unkel wrote:

There's 9 dots on the original map in the link in my opening post. I don't think these locations were accurate though (and it includes 2 in the North)

The locations on the originally map had Galway, Cork, Limerick, Belfast and Dublin but no Athlone. Think they were just locations of largest population centres...
And yes 9 including NI.

If 9 is the total then there's only 1 remaining for RoI and 2 for NI.

Black_Knight · 03-12-2019 10:03AM

unkel wrote: »

Sligo, Galway and Limerick would help.

There's 9 dots on the original map in the link in my opening post. I don't think these locations were accurate though (and it includes 2 in the North)

I'd say the dots were just for show.

Mickeroo · 03-12-2019 10:25AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

I'd say the dots were just for show.

Yeah I think they were placeholders but it will be very disappointing if they don't put in the hubs for Galway, Limerick and Cork that seemed to be there on the map (or two of the three at least).

McGiver · 03-12-2019 11:23PM

Black_Knight wrote:

I'd say the dots were just for show.

I think as well...

RedorDead · 05-12-2019 11:43AM

Lumen wrote: »

Fun fact: the government's 2030 target is 1m electric vehicles on the road. If the government just bought 1m Tesla Model 3 SR+ at US retail price plus the 10% EU import duty, and handed them out in a lottery, it would cost €39.4bn.

The cost of bailing out the banks was €41.7bn.

One. Million. Teslas.

I know there was a large furore created about this but its actually incorrect. At a recent breakfast briefing i attended Richard Bruton stated his aim was for 30% of the nations car parc to be electric by 2030.

Currently the car parc is 2,100,000 cars taxed and in use on Irish roads. This is growing by an average of 40,000 cars a year so that by 2030, its not ridiculous to suggest it may reach 2,400,000 cars.

30% of this is 800,000, but here is the stinger. Minister Bruton considers all EVs and PHEVs to be qualifying towards this EV number. By the end of 2018 we had 7,000 EVs and PHEVs on roads. There are another 3,500 new EVs added this year and 1,350 PHEVs. On the import side we have 650 EVs and 2,500 PHEVs that came in this year making the new end of 2019 number will be about 14,500.

So to hit 800,000 we must add on average 71,365 EVs and PHEVs (785,000 / 11) to the national fleet each year. It might seem a tall task in the early 2020s but by the middle of the next decade i think its a quite achievable number (annual target)

Casati · 05-12-2019 01:02PM

RedorDead wrote: »

I know there was a large furore created about this but its actually incorrect. At a recent breakfast briefing i attended Richard Bruton stated his aim was for 30% of the nations car parc to be electric by 2030.

Currently the car parc is 2,100,000 cars taxed and in use on Irish roads. This is growing by an average of 40,000 cars a year so that by 2030, its not ridiculous to suggest it may reach 2,400,000 cars.

30% of this is 800,000, but here is the stinger. Minister Bruton considers all EVs and PHEVs to be qualifying towards this EV number. By the end of 2018 we had 7,000 EVs and PHEVs on roads. There are another 3,500 new EVs added this year and 1,350 PHEVs. On the import side we have 650 EVs and 2,500 PHEVs that came in this year making the new end of 2019 number will be about 14,500.

So to hit 800,000 we must add on average 71,365 EVs and PHEVs (785,000 / 11) to the national fleet each year. It might seem a tall task in the early 2020s but by the middle of the next decade i think its a quite achievable number (annual target)

That target would never be met by BEV’s but if you include not only PHEV’s but also Hybrids it’s feasible. Did the Minister state if Hybrids fall under his/ departments definition of ‘electric cars’?

KCross · 05-12-2019 02:12PM

Casati wrote: »

That target would never be met by BEV’s but if you include not only PHEV’s but also Hybrids it’s feasible. Did the Minister state if Hybrids fall under his/ departments definition of ‘electric cars’?

No, hybrids not included. The climate action plan released a few months ago was clear enough on the point

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/climate-action/publications/Documents/16/Climate_Action_Plan_2019.pdf

Snippet

Accelerate the take up of EV cars and vans so that we reach 100% of all new cars and vans being EVs by 2030 This will enable achieving our target of 950,000 EVs on the road by 2030 This means approximately one third of all vehicles sold during the decade will be Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) or Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV)

Hybrid not included... BEV and PHEV only.

The split is expected to be:
550k BEV's, 290k PHEV's

Casati · 05-12-2019 03:58PM

KCross wrote: »

No, hybrids not included. The climate action plan released a few months ago was clear enough on the point

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/climate-action/publications/Documents/16/Climate_Action_Plan_2019.pdf

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Accelerate the take up of EV cars and vans so that we reach 100% of all new cars and vans being EVs by 2030 This will enable achieving our target of 950,000 EVs on the road by 2030 This means approximately one third of all vehicles sold during the decade will be Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) or Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV)

Hybrid not included... BEV and PHEV only.

The split is expected to be:
550k BEV's, 290k PHEV's

That’s a tall order in that case, I can see them flexing the rules to include hybrids, lets wait and see.

Think about all the commercial vans, buses, tractors, class E trucks and other construction and agri vehicles where no BEV or PHEV option exists today

Johnboy1951 · 05-12-2019 04:02PM

Casati wrote: »

That’s a tall order in that case, I can see them flexing the rules to include hybrids, lets wait and see.

Think about all the commercial vans, buses, tractors, class E trucks and other construction and agri vehicles where no BEV or PHEV option exists today

The quote specifically mentions cars and vans thus excluding all those heavy vehicles you list.

KCross · 05-12-2019 04:12PM

Casati wrote: »

That’s a tall order in that case, I can see them flexing the rules to include hybrids, lets wait and see.

I agree, its a very tall order and we have a bad record for hitting the previously set targets.

The car manufacturers are going to drip feed us (PH)EV's over the next decade to suit their own needs. They'll give us just enough to hit their EU emissions targets.

Having said that, if we got to even 500k EV's it would be a decent outcome. 1m is a pipedream though.

McGiver · 06-12-2019 01:14AM

KCross wrote:

Having said that, if we got to even 500k EV's it would be a decent outcome. 1m is a pipedream though.

That 2030 goal is a nonsense and an outright lie. As was the previous unrealistic goal of 10% EVs out of all the cars by 2020, which the government insisted on until the last moment but implemented exactly nothing to achieve it, totally clownish and bizarre behaviour.

To get 1M EVs by 2030 they would need to seriously step up the game on the policy front and I see no sign of that happening. There are no new policies, even no upgrade/improvement of existing policies, nothing new in the budget.
They are just reusing the same 10 year old mostly failed policies.

We need:
1. No VRT, no VAT (refund or otherwise) for EVs or some sort of tax return/credit
2. No motor tax for EVs
3. Increased VRT for polluting ICEs
4. Increased motor tax for polluting ICEs
5. Mandatory chargers in car parks, malls, estates and/or tax incentives for charger installation etc
6. EV reg plates for perks
7. Free parking nationally not just in some Local Authorities

In short - copy Norway (no Irish solution doesn't work)

Casati · 06-12-2019 08:56AM

McGiver wrote: »

That 2030 goal is a nonsense and an outright lie. As was the previous unrealistic goal of 10% EVs out of all the cars by 2020, which the government insisted on until the last moment but implemented exactly nothing to achieve it, totally clownish and bizarre behaviour.

To get 1M EVs by 2030 they would need to seriously step up the game on the policy front and I see no sign of that happening. There are no new policies, even no upgrade/improvement of existing policies, nothing new in the budget.
They are just reusing the same 10 year old mostly failed policies.

We need:
1. No VRT, no VAT (refund or otherwise) for EVs or some sort of tax return/credit
2. No motor tax for EVs
3. Increased VRT for polluting ICEs
4. Increased motor tax for polluting ICEs
5. Mandatory chargers in car parks, malls, estates and/or tax incentives for charger installation etc
6. EV reg plates for perks
7. Free parking nationally not just in some Local Authorities

In short - copy Norway (no Irish solution doesn't work)

You forgot to say how the government will fund all these concessions and plug the gap from lost vrt/ vat from ice cars today?

kaahooters · 06-12-2019 09:10AM

Casati wrote: »

You forgot to say how the government will fund all these concessions and plug the gap from lost vrt/ vat from ice cars today?

from the increased tax on ice vehicles, its not that hard to see it like.

Casati · 06-12-2019 09:22AM

kaahooters wrote: »

from the increased tax on ice vehicles, its not that hard to see it like.

I’m finding it hard to see it. Can you share your numbers?

redcup342 · 06-12-2019 10:10AM

McGiver wrote: »

That 2030 goal is a nonsense and an outright lie. As was the previous unrealistic goal of 10% EVs out of all the cars by 2020, which the government insisted on until the last moment but implemented exactly nothing to achieve it, totally clownish and bizarre behaviour.

To get 1M EVs by 2030 they would need to seriously step up the game on the policy front and I see no sign of that happening. There are no new policies, even no upgrade/improvement of existing policies, nothing new in the budget.
They are just reusing the same 10 year old mostly failed policies.

We need:
1. No VRT, no VAT (refund or otherwise) for EVs or some sort of tax return/credit
2. No motor tax for EVs
3. Increased VRT for polluting ICEs
4. Increased motor tax for polluting ICEs
5. Mandatory chargers in car parks, malls, estates and/or tax incentives for charger installation etc
6. EV reg plates for perks
7. Free parking nationally not just in some Local Authorities

In short - copy Norway (no Irish solution doesn't work)

The Irish Solution would be to tax the hole out of standard cars even further (more VRT more Motor Tax) and bring EVs to the same level as ICE vehicles

Motors are too much of a cash cow to go risk reducing it as a stream of revenue.

thos · 06-12-2019 10:12AM

So .. eh Ionity then?

Anyone got an update on M1 CityNorth? Looked pretty good a few weeks back.

ELM327 · 06-12-2019 10:51AM

thos wrote: »

So .. eh Ionity then?

Anyone got an update on M1 CityNorth? Looked pretty good a few weeks back.

2 stalls installed, awaiting supply for the rest apparently

ELM327 · 06-12-2019 11:41AM

Actually just saw on Facebook that they are being initialised and may be live later today.

BigAl81 · 06-12-2019 12:22PM

Brilliant, thanks for the update. I use that road a lot in my Ioniq so this will make a huge difference to me!

Another station in Castlebellingham world be too much to hope for I presume

ELM327 · 06-12-2019 12:36PM

BigAl81 wrote: »

Brilliant, thanks for the update. I use that road a lot in my Ioniq so this will make a huge difference to me!

Another station in Castlebellingham world be too much to hope for I presume

I dont think they will put another that close. Maybe on the NI side of the M1 they could?

liamog · 06-12-2019 12:39PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I dont think they will put another that close. Maybe on the NI side of the M1 they could?

I'd hope somewhere between Newry and Belfast. The Applegreen services on the M1 near Drumbeg would make sense.

graememk · 06-12-2019 12:45PM

liamog wrote: »

I'd hope somewhere between Newry and Belfast. The Applegreen services on the M1 near Drumbeg would make sense.

We prob won't see any in NI until they get the regulations changed so they can charge for it.

One near Belfast and Derry would be fantastic. Esp with the new roads being built from Derry, to the far side of dungiven, and from castledawson to the m22/m2

Although the fermanagh/south Tyrone is very barren of fast chargers too

Mickeroo · 06-12-2019 12:47PM

liamog wrote: »

I'd hope somewhere between Newry and Belfast. The Applegreen services on the M1 near Drumbeg would make sense.

Ionity is a Circle K gig though afaik, or they have some sort of partnership at least so unlikely to see them at an Applegreen I would have thought.

fricatus · 06-12-2019 12:48PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Actually just saw on Facebook that they are being initialised and may be live later today.

Two chargers at City North Gormanstown showing as live on the Ionity app now.

Kramer · 06-12-2019 12:58PM

fricatus wrote: »

Two chargers at City North Gormanstown showing as live on the Ionity app now.

With the €8 flat fee & just two chargers, it won't be long before people are queueing there, & for prolonged periods.
Any E-Tron, Tesla, E-Niro/Kona drivers etc. are going to wait to extract maximum value for their €8 & charges can/will take an hour or more with their bigger battery capacities.

Great to see more facilities though, all the while we've seen NOTHING from ECars apart from charging for charging & a few new AC charge points.

I mean for God's sake - they haven't even released the new app yet :rolleyes:.

ELM327 · 06-12-2019 01:20PM

Kramer wrote: »

With the €8 flat fee & just two chargers, it won't be long before people are queueing there, & for prolonged periods.
Any E-Tron, Tesla, E-Niro/Kona drivers etc. are going to wait to extract maximum value for their €8 & charges can/will take an hour or more with their bigger battery capacities.

Great to see more facilities though, all the while we've seen NOTHING from ECars apart from charging for charging & a few new AC charge points.

I mean for God's sake - they haven't even released the new app yet :rolleyes:.

Tesla charges at 100kW and won't want to charge over 90% - cant see them staying for longer than 45 mins
Similar for etron.
It's the kona that's the problem due to its slow charge rates and early tapering

Kramer · 06-12-2019 01:31PM

ELM327 wrote: »

It's the kona that's the problem

It could be suggested more affluent Tesla/E-Tron/EQC/I-Pace owners aren't as, lets say frugal, as Kona/E-Niro et al owners, but you've dressed it up nicely there with a lower charging speed bow.

liamog · 06-12-2019 01:36PM

There are 4 chargers at Citynorth, they are currently commissioning them, other two are likely to be online by end of day.

ELM327 · 06-12-2019 01:38PM

Kramer wrote: »

It could be suggested more affluent Tesla/E-Tron/EQC/I-Pace owners aren't as, lets say frugal, as Kona/E-Niro et al owners, but you've dressed it up nicely there with a lower charging speed bow.

100-150kW peak vs 70kW tapering to 50kW at 60% in the slower charging triplets

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