General Premier League Thread 2019-20

gimli2112 wrote: »

Do they though? If they think they do they probably should peruse the Utd superthread. I can't believe it's as bleak as you say however, surely their minimum aim is CL football. Which may be fine for them but won't have you lot happy.

It is not that they dont want to get CL football, I think its now that rather then buy their way into it they are hedging their bets and trying a more cost effective way of doing it.

It is no coincidence that as soon as Jose got 2 seasons of CL qualification in a row they turned off the tap. Maybe there was some other reasons in play but they had been throwing 200mil a year to try and get the team back to top 4. Jose melted down last year because he knew that the ambition of the owners and the ambition that United promises to its fans dont match up.

Thats why many of us felt that Jose was right and why last season was a result of our manager not accepting top 4, not Jose just going nuts for no reason. Jose was our best hope of somebody having the standards a top team needs and now we have a yes man who will just peddle the owners bullsh*t cause hes got the job of his dream.

I mean, United is very unlikely to make top 4 by November and still 40% of the fanbase are supposedly convinced this is some great long term plan worth exploring. This is the same fanbase that was split on Jose even though he got us 2nd in the league and you will find alot of those who were unimpressed with this feat are backing Ole, its just madness, but it allows the owners to keep making awful decisions.

If you really are interested in seeing where United is heading, look up bucs fans, there is plenty of stuff like this going around the last few seasons showing how Glazers are just terrible owners for any sports club.

https://ilovemanchester.com/glazers-out-unhappy-tampa-bay-buccaneers/

I posted stuff before on this and around the time things were going pear shaped with Jose, the exact same thing was happening at the Glazers american football team. The glazers are just awful owners and only unpredictable tv inflation funds and SAF shielded fans from them I would say the club would of been destroyed by their leveraged takeover . .

Do you know the original debt put on United when they bought I think was 660mil on the club value of 790mil (83.5% leverage). People dont really understand how dangerous that takeover was, if they were to do the same thing today with the club valued at 3 billion, they would be saddling the club with £2.5billion with 300+million in annual interest payments . As my dad used to say, at least Jesse James wore a mask when he robbed you . .

fyfe79 wrote: »

It might sound a little odd, but I honestly think that, for some owners like the Glazers, a couple of years out of the CL is great for tempering expectations (and, ultimately, business). Look at Arsenal - years of top 4 finishes but the fans weren't happy, they demanded the PL. A couple of years out of it and they're desperate for it... no talk whatsoever of winning the title. Kroenke knows he needs to just put enough in to challenge realistically for top 4. He knows he would need to invest massively to challenge for the PL. The Glazers know this too. It's simply not worth it to attempt to challenge for the title, when much less investment will give you top 4 and the bounty of CL football.

I know I'm a LFC fan, so I'm biased, but you need owners who are both businessmen AND sports/glory fans, not just businessmen. Obviously, FSG aren't really "soccer" fans but they have a desire for onfield success for whatever reason, and it's certainly working out.

Yep, totally agree with this . . Some people think "well United has to win for the owners to make money", but the club hasn't wont a league or CL in 7 years and the owners are still raking it in and the club value hasnt gone down in that period.

I think whenever the Glazers finally f**k off, only then will United fans look back and see how they groomed us for mediocrity and like mushrooms fed us sh*t and kept us in the dark about what they were really doing. I dont see anything good for United while they are in charge, it really does feel hopeless to be honest. I think thats part of the reason Neville is pretty much always against sacking managers, not one manager has been offerded a decent shot at that club and every one of them has somehow taken the majority of the flack for the state of the club when fans anger should be at the people running the show since SAF retired.