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Irish motorists' tow-bar fetish

  • 28-11-2019 10:11PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭


    It seems to be the natural common denominator of most Irish cars that they have a towbar on the back, Toyota Yaris? Towbar. Mercedes S Class? Towbar. Any early 00 Toyota looks in the nude without one.

    But what I don’t understand is why so many people put them on the back of the car, Irish people aren’t into caravanning (not when compared to the UK)

    Aside from bringing rubbish to the recycling Centre I don’t understand how and why so many Irish cars have them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭horseofstone


    I'm guessing less than 20 per cent have towbars.toyota car's seem to regularly have them though it seems and also older cars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    You haven't been to the midlands lately? Saturday mornings, especially before 11am are the best time to see midlands man out and about with his car and trailer- either off to the dump/ civic amenity, maybe pick up supplies from the local merchants, hauling a load of turf or whatever. Open disclosure- I'm a man from the midlands myself, I have a tow bar- but only for a bicycle carrier (and the towbar is is detachable- does that even count?). Sure towbars are great!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Have you figures to back this up or?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    Mmmmm..... towbar....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Used to fit loads of tow bars mainly it was older fellas that wanted them. A lot seem to think that having a towbar will save on damage if rear ended


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,610 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They are cheaper to spec. than parking sensors ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Most?? Don’t think so. Put them on the back of the car? Where else do you suggest they go? On the roof?

    What is the problem? People can spend their money as they wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Every car ( or nearly every car) I have had, I've fitted a towbar on it. I have a trailer too of course, and I use it when needed, but not that often...a load of timber for the fire, the lawn mower occasionally. Nothing major. They may be a bit unsightly, but I can live with that. ( but there are detachable ones available too if you don't like them sticking out ) Primarily though, they save the rear of the car ( and the passengers ) from a rear ending.


  • Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jmreire wrote: »
    Primarily though, they save the rear of the car ( and the passengers ) from a rear ending.




    I'd imagine they cause a lot more damage in a rear-ending than you would have if no tow bar was fitted.


    It's attached to the chassis is it not? So all the impact is going straight to the body of the car and not into the 'cushion' of the crumpling rear bumper, boot etc?


    Perhaps I'm wrong, though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    Used to fit loads of tow bars mainly it was older fellas that wanted them. A lot seem to think that having a towbar will save on damage if rear ended

    Because they do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Have a tow bar on my car, useful for pulling a trailer. Also a great reversing device.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,213 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    I'd imagine they cause a lot more damage in a rear-ending than you would have if no tow bar was fitted.


    It's attached to the chassis is it not? So all the impact is going straight to the body of the car and not into the 'cushion' of the crumpling rear bumper, boot etc?


    Perhaps I'm wrong, though?

    You're spot on. I never had a car with a hitch for that exact reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd imagine they cause a lot more damage in a rear-ending than you would have if no tow bar was fitted.


    It's attached to the chassis is it not? So all the impact is going straight to the body of the car and not into the 'cushion' of the crumpling rear bumper, boot etc?


    Perhaps I'm wrong, though?

    Yes, towbars have to be fitted to the chassis rails, and depending on the level of impact, they can prevent more extreme damage. Between the chassis rail's there is a reinforcing panel ( the bumper is bolted to this ) If you get hit smack in the centre of the bumper, it will be damaged ( obviously ) And the damage can be extensive beneath the bumper, even though it may seem Ok on the surface. But if you have a towbar fitted, it protect's the bumper because it is bolted directly to the chassis rail's. So yes,in a case like this, it protect's the car.
    In the case of a very severe rear impact, where both or one of the chassis is severely damaged it will still help, even when the towbar gets bent, it will still have absorbed a lot of the impact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Still waters


    Probably something to do with wanting to tow a trailer op


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    You're spot on. I never had a car with a hitch for that exact reason.

    Manufacturers spend hundreds of thousands designing cars with crumple zones, and lads know better and reinforce the back with a towbar.

    We supply a reputable brand of towbar to the trade. You would be very surprised at the cars they get put on. Cars that would be out of production by 15 years or more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    jmreire wrote: »
    Yes, towbars have to be fitted to the chassis rails, and depending on the level of impact, they can prevent more extreme damage. Between the chassis rail's there is a reinforcing panel ( the bumper is bolted to this ) If you get hit smack in the centre of the bumper, it will be damaged ( obviously ) And the damage can be extensive beneath the bumper, even though it may seem Ok on the surface. But if you have a towbar fitted, it protect's the bumper because it is bolted directly to the chassis rail's. So yes,in a case like this, it protect's the car.
    In the case of a very severe rear impact, where both or one of the chassis is severely damaged it will still help, even when the towbar gets bent, it will still have absorbed a lot of the impact.

    Yeah the car will be ok but your spine and neck will take the impact instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Yeah the car will be ok but your spine and neck will take the impact instead.

    You can guarantee that your spine and neck will not get damaged if you don't have a towbar fitted?
    Cars are built and designed to have tow bar's fitted, ( or not as the case may be ) the captive nuts for bolting the towbar on are already located in the chassis rail's in most car's, and there is several pages in the manufacturers manual devoted to towing and tow bar's. Mercedes Benz have full instructions including approved wiring harness and sockets. Even additional cooling radiator for the ones with automatic transmission's. So they are an integral part of the design, including the crumple zone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭TrailerBob


    If you see a late 90s Corolla or Passat in the Midlands without a towbar on it there's something suspicious going on.... Where would you tie down your bootlid to with baler twine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,585 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    Nothing like the security of rural parking sensors.

    As regards safety, I had a thumping huge How bad fitted on a car before and was rear ended. No damage at all to my car however the car that hit me had a messed up bumper, reg plate and radiator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭I Was VB


    Odelay wrote: »
    Most?? Don’t think so. Put them on the back of the car? Where else do you suggest they go? On the roof?

    What is the problem? People can spend their money as they wish.

    Purely a observation, very aggressive reply I must say. Are you from towbars before profit?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,610 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    At the price of putting a towbar on a new car nowadays I seriously doubt anyone puts one on without expecting to do a bit of towing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    I love my retractable tow bar on my Range Rover for going to the bog for turf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭rino87


    Turf. The answer is turf!!! Growing up in the midlands everyone, and I mean everyone had a trailer for turf.
    That was 20 or so years ago tho....

    Then again the Saab 95 Hot Aero that was on bangernomics a few days ago had a tow bar. At least it would be comfy on a bog road I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭rino87


    I love my retractable tow bar on my Range Rover for going to the bog for turf

    beat me to it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    elperello wrote: »
    At the price of putting a towbar on a new car nowadays I seriously doubt anyone puts one on without expecting to do a bit of towing.
    You would be surprised...In my neck of the woods ( rural Ireland ) anyway, and in this day and age, I know several people who when changing their car, will insist on having a towbar fitted...and in some cases, without even having a trailer, never mind pulling one. Each to his own. Some people approve and some do not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    'Felt spac plus towbar - more Irish than a pint of plain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,610 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    jmreire wrote: »
    You would be surprised...In my neck of the woods ( rural Ireland ) anyway, and in this day and age, I know several people who when changing their car, will insist on having a towbar fitted...and in some cases, without even having a trailer, never mind pulling one. Each to his own. Some people approve and some do not.

    Now that you mention it I have seen cars for sale saying towbar fitted never used.
    Nowt so queer as folk :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Hmm, got mine so I had the option of towing a trailer which I now do on an irregular basis. €20 from a breakers and €10 for a new light socket. Volvo kindly made the wiring very simple on my 1st gen 2nd phase V40.

    I've also noticed it's had the nice side effect of being an anti-tailgating device.

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    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    RINO87 wrote: »
    Turf. The answer is turf!!! Growing up in the midlands everyone, and I mean everyone had a trailer for turf.
    That was 20 or so years ago tho....

    Then again the Saab 95 Hot Aero that was on bangernomics a few days ago had a tow bar. At least it would be comfy on a bog road I suppose.

    Proper sod of turf too cut with a slan not that machine rubbish - lol
    Blisters from the fork , the good old days no mortgage loans just bottle of tea and fig rolls - lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    I Was VB wrote: »
    ....Aside from bringing rubbish to the recycling Centre I don’t understand how and why so many Irish cars have them?

    How else would would you bring harvested potatoes from your plot home? Or turf, as others have already pointed!


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