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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    I would call a 21 year old boy the young lad in work until he is a qualified tradesman. It’s an industry thing we don’t mean anything by it. Like a word for a student I suppose. We don’t mean she is just a bit of strumpet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,127 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Would you just never return and start looking for more jobs? Or have the balls to go in and do the outcome meeting?

    PS. I was there two years


    Having been in similar circumstances to yours OP at around the same age and all where you’re just not interested in the job any more, I didn’t bother going back when I walked out. I’ve never been fired from a job, but at your age I had lost count of the number of jobs I’d had by that time.

    I’ll just suggest that you take some time out to figure out what you do want to do, and get yourself in a better place mentally than you are right now. Not going back there doesn’t mean you haven’t any balls. From my perspective you’ve got massive cohones for posting under your username here when anon posting is permitted as far as I know (and now you do I guess :pac:), knowing that you were risking being torn apart by complete strangers online.

    From the sounds of it you still have friends from the place which is more than I had when I walked out of one job and into the next one, and 20 years later I’m in a position which I actually really enjoy (and that was even after being self-employed for a few years - think call centre work sucks? Self-employment sucks donkeys balls big time, your mileage may vary but that was just my experience during the recession). Looking back now on it I could have made a career out of burning bridges :o

    Genuinely though, all joking aside, it really isn’t anything I would hope you get too stressed out about, I don’t imagine you’ll have any trouble finding employment when you’re feeling better and you’ve had some time out to get a bit of perspective. In spite of the negative responses you’ve received on here, there’s plenty you have to be positive about. There are always plenty of opportunities when you’re in the right frame of mind, and hopefully in time you won’t allow this one temporary setback put you off going for whatever it is you really want to do in life :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Lot of aggression and stupid comments in this thread, I honestly wonder where people get the energy.

    OP - I worked in a call center 20 years ago. It was great at the start but became very monotonous after a couple of months. I've no idea what call center environments are like now but the one I worked in was decent enough and it gave me a platform to progress into other area's of IT. For that, I'm grateful.

    Listen, you did a stupid thing - who hasn't. The important thing is you learn from your mistake and move on.

    If it were me, I'd go to the meeting. I'd plead my case, apologise and tell them it will never happen again. Hopefully they accept that and let you continue. Put your head down, start looking for other jobs and get out after a couple of months. You're better off looking for a job when you have one.

    If they sack you, I would ask them for the option to resign instead and a reference based on your previous good performance. Bear in mind, companies are legally prohibited from mentioning anything about you in a reference - all they can say is he/she worked here from x date to y date. Doesn't mean they can say something off the record but that's against the law.

    Good luck OP - I hope it works out for you. You sound like a decent person who made a silly mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭tomwaits48


    BDI wrote: »
    Thread looks like an AA meeting.

    in what way?

    OP: go to the meeting; it's very hard to sack someone, if there's even a sliver of doubt as to the proper procedure having taken place, it's easier and safer to just put you on a PIP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Johnny Sausage


    Hi OP,

    I would go to the meeting if I were you.

    it may not be as bad as you fear, they may settle on giving you a final warning on your file for 12 months. I've seen this first hand in a call centre environment for a certain bookmakers.

    if anything just go for your own sake instead of running away from it,

    Hope it goes well


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    How is the head count there, op?

    If they are (way) under head count you can probably save your job by apologising and saying you ll do better from now on.
    Certainly if it is in a business that gets busy during this time of the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    inforfun wrote: »
    How is the head count there, op?

    If they are (way) under head count you can probably save your job by apologising and saying you ll do better from now on.
    Certainly if it is in a business that gets busy during this time of the year.

    It's a medium to large sized business, with about 400 people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Just say you are very very sorry and explain to them that you wouldn't have done it if you weren't off your noggin on crack at the time


  • Site Banned Posts: 35 joejoggs


    Just go to the meeting, written warning most likely.

    More than likely what will happen they'll discuss why you did it and will you do it again

    There not going to start shouting at you or anything like that.

    They might put you on an improvement plan.

    You'll be fine.

    There is absolutely nothing to be scared of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Was the meeting not today????


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    BDI wrote: »
    A thread like this has popped up a few times. Is this a thing in call centres? All you have to do is answer the phone and speak. It’s actually heroic levels of laziness.

    What is the company doing wrong that staff feel they can’t keep a headset on and speak to somebody about something they are trained to fix. Can you go to the meeting and help them understand what is going wrong with the place where staff are so demotivated. Could you ask for a change in role.

    It sounds absolutely Dickensian that somebody would be so demotivated they couldn’t be arsed speaking on the phone. Are you lashing out?

    You should go to the meeting to help them help the other employees. You could come in in your dressing gown and do that job like. Slippers on and coffee.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6It6SnNwsh8&t=65s

    Thank you Count Dankula for clarifying that matter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Was the meeting not today????

    No, I got suspended this week and waiting to hear from them about meeting. Most likely next week.

    Decided I'm going to write down a few points/summary that I want to mention in the meeting and go in and plead my case, hold my hands up, apologise, expect them to fire me but reassure them it'll be a lesson learned for my future employment or indeed if they give me another chance I'm willing to recommit 100% and see how that goes.

    I get fairly awkward and fidgety in these formal meetings so gonna write a few notes down.

    There have been a few absences due to my head not being in the right place somewhat recently and ill admit I lost motivation for my work, so hopefully they can see I'm willing to try and commit again, as when I started there I really enjoyed it.

    Will keep ye updated whenever I hear about the meeting, and of course, the god forsaken outcome!

    It will only torture me for months to come in my mind if I don't go back and try plead my case, wondering oh, what if I never lost the job etc!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Good to go ahead with the meeting. Consider someone to come along as a moral support and witness perhaps a colleague you trust or a Union rep. Consider doctor visit if its relevant too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    It's a medium to large sized business, with about 400 people


    Was more thinking about the team you are part of.
    Service level is king nowadays. If your team needs 10 people to hit targets and there are already only 8 now, there is little chance they will make it 7 by kicking you out if you acknowledge you ****ed up and tell them you will do better.
    Certainly if you have a period of proper behaviour before this all started, you just might get away with a warning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    inforfun wrote: »
    Was more thinking about the team you are part of.
    Service level is king nowadays. If your team needs 10 people to hit targets and there are already only 8 now, there is little chance they will make it 7 by kicking you out if you acknowledge you ****ed up and tell them you will do better.
    Certainly if you have a period of proper behaviour before this all started, you just might get away with a warning.

    The issue with that Service Level is...
    What if it's gone up in DB's absence?

    What if disconnects and repeat caller rate has noticeably dropped?
    It's also not like others on the team don't already know why she was suspended.

    Returning to a team after an issue like this without obvious sanction is a sure way to destroy cohesion imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭HelloHello1234


    Call centres have to be probably one of the worst places i have worked in. met great friends for life but have sadly lost friends to suicide due to the stress and depression they put on people,

    My advice would be to get out while you can


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    jarvis wrote: »
    With no reference?

    Most companies nowadays just give a Statement of Employment.

    A written reference is not really worth the paper its written on as most employers want to ring a referee.

    If I were the OP I would go into the meeting and get a union rep in or another staff member as a witness.

    Have a prepared Resignation letter typed up and ready to give HR/Manager etc if the Company intend to go down the road of a Gross Misconduct termination of employment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    banie01 wrote: »
    The issue with that Service Level is...
    What if it's gone up in DB's absence?

    What if disconnects and repeat caller rate has noticeably dropped?
    It's also not like others on the team don't already know why she was suspended.

    Returning to a team after an issue like this without obvious sanction is a sure way to destroy cohesion imo.

    Maybe. That is why i am curious about headcount. If they are on or over, he has no chance. If they are severely under, they will keep him

    And when he is gone, your workload is definitely not going to come down any time soon.

    What he did is indeed nothing short of screwing over the people he works with.
    But it is the people he works for that will decide. And they have completely different interests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    There have been a few absences due to my head not being in the right place somewhat recently and ill admit I lost motivation for my work, so hopefully they can see I'm willing to try and commit again, as when I started there I really enjoyed it.

    Don't say that, you don't need to elaborate...

    If it brought up, acknowledge it and put it down to personal circumstances which are now resolved - end of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Don't say that, you don't need to elaborate...

    If it brought up, acknowledge it and put it down to personal circumstances which are now resolved - end of.

    I know, I'm not going to, I meant previous work absences.

    Meeting is tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭rdwight


    I know, I'm not going to, I meant previous work absences.

    Meeting is tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed

    Good luck tomorrow.

    You were upfront here about doing something pretty silly/stupid and got a generally supportive reaction; hopefully being upfront tomorrow will get you a reasonable reaction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    I know, I'm not going to, I meant previous work absences.

    Meeting is tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed

    Good luck, stay strong and state your case, confidently.

    Not the end of the world if it doesn't work out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Just scanned through this thread and I wish the OP all the best at the meeting tomorrow.

    I started my career in a call centre and they can be draining places to work with everything measured. After three years I was definitely burnt out and thankfully moved to a different role in a different company. No matter the outcome I definitely think the OP needs to move.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭reg114


    No, I got suspended this week and waiting to hear from them about meeting. Most likely next week.

    Decided I'm going to write down a few points/summary that I want to mention in the meeting and go in and plead my case, hold my hands up, apologise, expect them to fire me but reassure them it'll be a lesson learned for my future employment or indeed if they give me another chance I'm willing to recommit 100% and see how that goes.

    I get fairly awkward and fidgety in these formal meetings so gonna write a few notes down.

    There have been a few absences due to my head not being in the right place somewhat recently and ill admit I lost motivation for my work, so hopefully they can see I'm willing to try and commit again, as when I started there I really enjoyed it.

    Will keep ye updated whenever I hear about the meeting, and of course, the god forsaken outcome!

    It will only torture me for months to come in my mind if I don't go back and try plead my case, wondering oh, what if I never lost the job etc!


    You are being employed in a call centre to make and or receive calls. Disconnecting calls is basically you not doing what they are paying you for plus its creating a customer service / reputational problem for the company. You mention your head isnt in the right place. It sounds to be like you dont enjoy working there so I think its totally counterproductive to be working there at all. Having worked in a call centre myself its not meant for everyone. It is clearly not for you. Make it easier on everyone and get your head right and find a job you actually enjoy doing. Involving unions and asking for a second chance is diversionary and a waste of your time and the company's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    reg114 wrote: »
    You are being employed in a call centre to make and or receive calls. Disconnecting calls is basically you not doing what they are paying you for plus its creating a customer service / reputational problem for the company. You mention your head isnt in the right place. It sounds to be like you dont enjoy working there so I think its totally counterproductive to be working there at all. Having worked in a call centre myself its not meant for everyone. It is clearly not for you. Make it easier on everyone and get your head right and find a job you actually enjoy doing. Involving unions and asking for a second chance is diversionary and a waste of your time and the company's.


    Well I would agree with you on all those points for the most part, and already got asked to come for an interview tomorrow for a seperate company as I've been applying just incase I do get dismissed, but I may aswell try keep the job I have for now..

    But clearly they want to try give me a second chance as they invite you to these meetings to give you a chance to explain any factors that will assist them in making a decision in firing you or giving you a warning of some sort, so it's not like I'm begging them to give me a second chance or let me explain.

    The opportunity is there for me to explain myself and hopefully keep the job for now till at least after Christmas, so I may aswell use that opportunity and if I get dismissed I get dismissed.

    PS, not involving any unions or any other parties, just myself and HR tomorrow. As far as I'm concerned it was my mess-up and there's no excuse for it, whether or not they're willing to accept that apology or not is upto them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭banoffe2


    Best of luck tom OP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Hope it went well...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭claregal1


    With all due respect to you, I think you're reading parts of the thread and ignoring others, just to get a rise.

    I do have ongoing personal issues, which affected my attendance, yes, already admitted that, but that's nothing to do with why I've gotten suspended, that's due to me thinking I could get away with disconnecting calls when they weren't fully resolved.

    I did not say 'I am lazy' earlier in the thread, I clearly stated call centre work can make you lazy, due to the environment, and maybe I should return to active work, like running around a restaurant, or cafe,
    I've made a mistake and owned it, but you continue to come across as an undesirable with your snotty remarks.


    Thanks anyway for trying to help!

    By the way, I have accepted feedback and thanked other Boardsies.. maybe if you bothered to read it all you'd know ;)

    I actually worked in a call centre as well and know exactly what you mean by "couldn't be arsed and just hanging up"
    Where I worked , one person actually got an award for answering the most calls in a year , when the bosses eventually listened back it turned out she was only answering the phones with the company name and hanging up .. she kept her job and the award !
    Another was caught doing something similar and had to write down every call and query and show it to the boss at the end of the day till she proved she was capable of working unsupervised.
    Brazen it out and show up for the meeting and chalk it down to experience .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Hi guys thanks for well wishes. I'm glad I took people's advice and faced the music. They were very nice about it and also said fair play for being brave and coming in and admitting everything, most people wouldn't bother showing up (like I was gonna do) and that it showed good character.

    Will find out decision early next week, as previous posters stated, whatever the outcome, it'll stand to me for facing it.

    Obviously it's 50/50 as it's the most serious thing you can do there but the hard part is over and done with now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Well done Dartboardio. You climbed a personal mountain today.and whatever the outcome of the meeting you'll be able to move forward with a positive frame of mind. You'll find that having the courage to go to the meeting today will be a weapon to fight those self destructive demons when they creepy up on you in the future. Onwards and upwards! Now give yourself a bit if time to relax and switch off cos the anxiety about the meeting is over.


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