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Brock Turnpike · 25-11-2019 11:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I found it interesting how Richie turned the conversation back on Ken.

It started with Ken wondering why people were so happy with the performance and rightly pointing out that Denmark didn't need to win which partly helped us to bring the game to them.

However it ended with Ken playing defence and being grilled as to who he would have selected and in what position would they have played.

I don't like Richie but have to admit he re-framed the conversation very well.

What is your obsession with going against everything Ken says?

terrydel · 26-11-2019 12:43PM

Seamy Fitz wrote: »

The Jose stuff can be tiring but I was in tears when they were talking about Jose studying Darwin during his 11 months off when he was actually just scrolling through Instagram looking at pictures of feel good quotes.

I think Early is a very good journalist and a really intelligent guy, but his refusal to accept that Mourinho is one if not the best coach of the last 20 years is baffling. I dont what your opinion of Mourinho as a person is, his record speaks for itself.
And I'm not a fan of any of the clubs hes ever managed.

terrydel · 26-11-2019 12:49PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I assume they will be doing a 2-3 hour #Jose special ?

Must have done dozens of those over the last few years.

tomwaits48 · 26-11-2019 12:58PM

I wonder will the new football podcast by the Athletic affect SC at all...it's free & has big names on its roster.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 26-11-2019 01:08PM

tomwaits48 wrote: »

I wonder will the new football podcast by the Athletic affect SC at all...it's free & has big names on its roster.

Think they're only weekly so doubt it will change much for them, most are focused on specific clubs so wont affect SC much. Think football weekly and totally football will be more affected

deisedude · 26-11-2019 01:16PM

terrydel wrote: »

I think Early is a very good journalist and a really intelligent guy, but his refusal to accept that Mourinho is one if not the best coach of the last 20 years is baffling. I dont what your opinion of Mourinho as a person is, his record speaks for itself.
And I'm not a fan of any of the clubs hes ever managed.

Was one the best coaches. I think the game has moved on and he hasnt moved with it

Raoul · 26-11-2019 02:51PM

deisedude wrote: »

Was one the best coaches. I think the game has moved on and he hasnt moved with it

In the last 4 years he has won the league, 2 league cups and the Europa League. Not the worst record in the last four years. I am sure plenty of clubs would be happy with that. If he does that with Spurs I am sure they would be delighted.

Salvation Tambourine · 27-11-2019 09:19AM

tomwaits48 wrote: »

I wonder will the new football podcast by the Athletic affect SC at all...it's free & has big names on its roster.

As another poster said, they are mostly club specific so should be fine.

Chapman and Ornstein Show and Zonal Marking are the only non-club specific but they are weekly.

I've listened to the two above and a few of the club specific pods and they are excellent, really high quality discussion. I hope they can keep the quality up week on week. Even if I don't support the club I really enjoy in depth discussions about a club, this delivers 100%

EltonJohn69 · 27-11-2019 10:08AM

Looks like Ken has got wrong it again about Jose..... hopefully he will be man enough to admit it on today’s podcast

bren2001 · 27-11-2019 10:49AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Looks like Ken has got wrong it again about Jose..... hopefully he will be man enough to admit it on today’s podcast

2 games into his tenure. You're right, he's been a complete success at Spurs. No need to let the rest of the season play out, lets draw our conclusions now.

aloooof · 27-11-2019 10:51AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Looks like Ken has got wrong it again about Jose..... hopefully he will be man enough to admit it on today’s podcast

He loved Brendan Rogers Jose Mourinho.

Dante · 27-11-2019 11:22AM

Nokotan wrote: »

As another poster said, they are mostly club specific so should be fine.

Chapman and Ornstein Show and Zonal Marking are the only non-club specific but they are weekly.

I've listened to the two above and a few of the club specific pods and they are excellent, really high quality discussion. I hope they can keep the quality up week on week. Even if I don't support the club I really enjoy in depth discussions about a club, this delivers 100%

Given its The Athletic I'm guessing these ain't free?

EltonJohn69 · 27-11-2019 11:37AM

bren2001 wrote: »

2 games into his tenure. You're right, he's been a complete success at Spurs. No need to let the rest of the season play out, lets draw our conclusions now.

First away win in almost a year, through to the last 16 in the champions league and deli Ali back to his best......huge achievements so far.... even Aurier looks like a real player now !

corwill · 27-11-2019 12:06PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

First away win in almost a year, through to the last 16 in the champions league and deli Ali back to his best......huge achievements so far.... even Aurier looks like a real player now !

Or perhaps a dead cat bounce? Less prominent gaffers than Jose have achieved short term upticks in form. Remember all the Ole-at-the-wheel flannel?

Ivefoundgod · 27-11-2019 12:58PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

First away win in almost a year, through to the last 16 in the champions league and deli Ali back to his best......huge achievements so far.... even Aurier looks like a real player now !

This is hilarious, two game’s in and you’ve already decided he’s been a success. So what happens if they go out in the next round, finish well outside the top 6 would you still being saying he’s a success?

If mourinho gets them into the top 4 this season I’d call that a decent start but even then would be weary of calling him a success. Knee jerk reactions like this drive me crazy.

Loafing Oaf · 27-11-2019 01:03PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

First away win in almost a year, through to the last 16 in the champions league and deli Ali back to his best......huge achievements so far....

Beating West Ham (by a single goal) is a huge achievement for a team that was in the Champions League final a few months ago?

Brock Turnpike · 27-11-2019 02:31PM

He's a WUM, lads. Don't feed him.

Salvation Tambourine · 27-11-2019 03:03PM

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Given its The Athletic I'm guessing these ain't free?

I was able to get them through Podcast Addict so looks like they are free.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 27-11-2019 03:05PM

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Given its The Athletic I'm guessing these ain't free?

They are free but will most likely be used as advertising for people to sign up to the Athletic or they'll add bonus podcast for members eventually

yermandan · 27-11-2019 03:06PM

Nokotan wrote: »

I was able to get them through Podcast Addict so looks like they are free.

I couldn't find them through Podcast Addict, do you remember what you searched?

Athletic/Athletic football just offered up a load of American Football pods!

Salvation Tambourine · 27-11-2019 03:09PM

These are the names of the pods so far, not sure if there are more coming.

yermandan · 27-11-2019 03:11PM

Ah great thanks a million

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 27-11-2019 04:03PM

terrydel wrote: »

I think Early is a very good journalist and a really intelligent guy, but his refusal to accept that Mourinho is one if not the best coach of the last 20 years is baffling. I dont what your opinion of Mourinho as a person is, his record speaks for itself.
And I'm not a fan of any of the clubs hes ever managed.

The thing about Jose is that he’s almost guaranteed to bring success but at what cost? He leaves each club as scorched earth when he leaves or gets fired. He also needs TONNES AND TONNES of money for success. Gauging a coach purely on trophies isn’t the way to go, plenty of great coaches have never won anything.

Oh, he’s also a terrible human being and everyone knows how this will end up.

EltonJohn69 · 27-11-2019 04:11PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

The thing about Jose is that he’s almost guaranteed to bring success but at what cost? He leaves each club as scorched earth when he leaves or gets fired. He also needs TONNES AND TONNES of money for success. Gauging a coach purely on trophies isn’t the way to go, plenty of great coaches have never won anything.

Oh, he’s also a terrible human being and everyone knows how this will end up.

Didn’t both Chelsea and Real Madrid go on to win the champions league after Jose left ? That is hardly scorched earth is it ?

Seamy Fitz · 27-11-2019 08:08PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Didn’t both Chelsea and Real Madrid go on to win the champions league after Jose left ? That is hardly scorched earth is it ?

Because the players were on such a high after he left anything was possible......
Like removing a tumour.

28-11-2019 12:08AM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

What is your obsession with going against everything Ken says?

Read my post again. I actually said Ken was right.

28-11-2019 12:14AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Didn’t both Chelsea and Real Madrid go on to win the champions league after Jose left ? That is hardly scorched earth is it ?

Chelsea won it 5 years after he left, having gone through a shed load of managers. The squad he left didn't win the league for 3 years after he left. I would say scorched earth is Chelsea were after he left.

EltonJohn69 · 28-11-2019 01:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Chelsea won it 5 years after he left, having gone through a shed load of managers. The squad he left didn't win the league for 3 years after he left. I would say scorched earth is Chelsea were after he left.

5 years after he left and Jose’s boys were still standing strong, the team that won it were full of his untouchables.... it shows that what he left was beautifully fertile ground ! Primed for European glory !!! And didn’t they get to the champions league final directly after he left ? Definitely created and left a very strong team that still had a lot of love for Jose

freyners · 28-11-2019 09:59AM

Apologies for going slightly off topic here, asked one of the mods before posting

If anyone has tickets for the saturday or sunday live shows that they would be willing to swap for the Friday show please send me a pm, can't go on the Friday due to a clash

28-11-2019 10:42AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

5 years after he left and Jose’s boys were still standing strong, the team that won it were full of his untouchables.... it shows that what he left was beautifully fertile ground ! Primed for European glory !!! And didn’t they get to the champions league final directly after he left ? Definitely created and left a very strong team that still had a lot of love for Jose

I don't think even Mourinho would argue that they were his team that won the CL.

When he left in 07/08 they were struggling badly. Scorched earth. Yes the grass did grow eventually, but it was in spite of, rather than because of, Mourinho.

Carlo Ancelotti arguably had more influence on the CL win. Not to mention how incredibly lucky they were to win that. Great defence in the semis and final but they got very lucky also.

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