Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

So apparently Jose wants one of the hottest properties in football as DOF at Spurs. Campo from Lille who has done an amazing job in unearthing talent which so far has gone on to be sold for half a billion.
The kick in the nuts is that Jose wanted him at United but Woodward wouldn't even interview the guy, another incompetent footballing decision by the man.

Without getting into a Jose debate I really do hope he does well at Spurs. Not at all because I want a rival to be successful, but because it would really put into perspective what actually happened at United.

I think Woodward cut the legs out from under him, so Jose going to Spurs, working with a DOF and managing a struggling side back to success would very clearly demonstrate to even the most deluded that no, it wasn't bad man busted flush Jose, it was Woodward who was the problem.

And no, that still doesn't absolve Ole of his own mistakes.

If I was Thor or Superman. I'd give Woodward and The Glaziers until the end of the season to get out or get their affairs in order

More rumours of the senior players questioning Ole and his lack of tactical nouse.
Saying things like "I could have changed the entire 11 at half time" isn't going to help his cause. Throwing the players under the bus is one step on the road to being booted out of the club.
Setting up a team that left them short in midfield and a disastrous back 3 that led to a shot shy team having chances and shots at will shows that lack of experience. No matter how good the players,a solid gameplan needs to be in place.
Noticeable too was how Neville was scathing of the players yet not once criticised Ole on Sunday,who was the man that set the team up like that Gary?

What City do is financial doping,dodgy sponsorship deals and the like,in reality the club is worth nowhere near 5 billion.

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

What City do is financial doping,dodgy sponsorship deals and the like,in reality the club is worth nowhere near 5 billion.

But it doesn't say the club is worth that. They sold a stake of the group that owns multiple clubs and holdings, of which city are a part. The group now has that valuation, not City itself.

https://www.football365.com/news/woodward-confirms-he-overruled-two-mourinho-transfers

Woodward confirms he said no to Jose on a couple of transfers.

"The recruitment department"

So, who are they again?

Drumpot wrote: »

Don’t be angry with Jose, be angry with the owners for turning to him when they realised they have absolutely no idea how to get the club back to the top of the game...

And then when you are finished being angry about that , remind yourself that Jose has been the best coach, most successful coach that the same f**kin eejit owners have been able to hire since SAF retired.

I do wonder sometimes if the United fans that hate Jose deep down know we needed him to fix the mess that the club is in and are just harnessing their sadness into anger so they don’t have to face the truth.

You'd have to seriously skewed to make yourself actually believe this. They fired him because they saw he had no idea to get the club back on top.

Nobody will argue that Woodward refusing to sign Maguire was not ideal but up until that point Jose had it his way. Fred, Matic, Lukaku etc and his other signings, 400m worth and we played terrible football. Maguire is not exactly a revelation now is he, the idea that he was going to be the difference is just not true. Plus the board backed Jose with two CBs before then who looked terrible under him. They rightly questioned his judgement and his antis became more childish to the point that he made the job unbearable.

Two games into his Spurs tenure and people are pointing to minute things to claim Jose was restricted at Utd. Absolutely comical.

He hooked a defender early on in a game? So what, Woodward controls the subs now? Do your forget the games where we played terrible ineffective football for 75 mins with more squad options than we have now only for Jose to make his change and bring Fellaini on to play lump ball to try scrape something.

Jose just didn't work out, he's already said he's made many mistakes and he hopes to learn and make new ones in the future. He may do well at Spurs but that doesn't absolve him of his failures at Utd.

Did the Madrid and Chelsea board in his final season there turn on him too? Jose has a record leaving clubs dramatically when he's football goes South. There is no conspiracy against him, the man can hve some great seasons with teams and then he's capable of alienating everyone and playing some absolute dross. He's not perfect and he just didn't produce enough at Utd to warrant more time. Get over it.

FitzShane wrote: »

On behalf of the recruitment department.



Which does happen at other clubs. There is one very famous example of the recruitment department at Liverpool & Klopp disagreeing over one transfer in particular too. The recruitment department have been proven to be the ones to be in the right too in that example.

I'm not absolving Woodward of any blame or anything like that, it's just your post made it sound like he was the one deciding on the transfer but the article you linked suggests differently.

Shhhh. Be gone with your reasonable views. That doesn't match with the narrative Jose had poor players forced on him and had he been allowed to sign Maguire we'd be competing with City and Liverpool right now. Lukaku, Matic and Fred who were signed under Jose after playing for him previously and Jose going as far as saying "every squad needs a Brazillian" before the signing of Fred were all against his will. He is a blameless genius who was wronged with a 400m war chest.

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

What City do is financial doping,dodgy sponsorship deals and the like,in reality the club is worth nowhere near 5 billion.

Of course it's not.
But they still raised half a billion for a 10% stake.
I thinks it's figures like these that will peak the Glazer's interest though.
If/when they sell, they will probably look north of 4 billion.
Bar a Saudi takeover, I'd be delighted if some cash rich enterprise stepped in.

Drumpot wrote: »

I think that department is just across from the ministry of magic which shares a room with the PR department.

Its an interesting little phrase. "The recruitment department..." Just rolls off the tongue so it does. "Recruitment department".

Me, I think it is corporate bluff speak, sounds good but has no substance. I think the "recruitment department" is Woodward and his favoured lackeys.

If I'm wrong then fine, who is it? Who are the people in the recruitment department who made all of these decisions?

Drumpot wrote: »

Who or what is Uniteds “recruitment department”? What role have they taken in transfers? It’s premature to compare it to Liverpool as we had to suffer all sorts of bullsh*t lies from Woodward since he took over.

But answer this, we have a “department of recruitment” and a manager and Woodward said that that the club tries to support its manager. So if not Woodward, who you think decides whether or not the managers call or the recruitment departments call will be followed? So how is Woodward not deciding on who is signed if he decides whose recommendation to take? And how does that explain practically no major signings last summer when there was a clear need for probably the players we got this season? There was no other players in the world the recruitment department identified that could make the squad stronger?

Well from what I can gather is Mourinho wanted 2 signings and the recruitment department said no to them 2 signings. Woodward then delivered than no to Mourinho . Call it the middleman if you wish. But I doubt that Mourinho wanted those 2 players, and the recruitment department said 'yeah we are fine with those', and then Woodward turned around and decided that he didn't like them so said no, and made up this story.

The deeper question is who makes up that recruitment department. That's where the anger should be directed at (or perhaps praise depending on the player that was being targeted! :pac:) Is this the multitude of scouts that have been hired under various managers? Or is it made up of more club level people like Nicky Butt and others, including the scouts? From what I can gather, Nicky Butt is a liaison and seen as a link for players to move from youth to first team so he could have a seat at this table. Who is the head scout. Was it his call to decide on the 2 players, or a combination of him and others. Did Giggs really recommend Daniel James or is that just another made up story to stop praise being given to the current recruitment department?

What I will say is that Woodward can and should be blamed for not putting a DOF in place, and stopping this confusion. There is a lack of clarity on the whole recruitment situation. And clear out the 'deadwood' of scouts from old regimes. I'm sure the scouts of LVG, Moyes & Mourinho would all target different types of players. Have a clear vision and identity.

But to play devil's advocate here, if the DOF and lets just pick Edwin Van Der Sar for arguments sake, had said no to signing the 2 players that Mourinho wanted, would it get the same reaction as the recruitment department and Woodward saying no? I don't think he would myself.