Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Mr E · 27-11-2019 10:01AM

Mod: Can you type in english please? You have a full keyboard, please use it.

splinter65 · 27-11-2019 10:02AM

political analyst wrote: »

Why did gardaí not stop Boy B from sullying Ana's memory? If they had stopped him from saying what he said then Ana's parents wouldn't have heard it in court.

You have absolutely no clue about how our criminal justice system works. I despair when I read posts like this.

Sardonicat · 27-11-2019 10:20AM

Millionaire only not wrote: »

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/jamie-bulger-ana-kriegel

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-jamie-bulger-film-a-serious-and-moral-piece-of-work-1.3781841

I presume ur reference to me about the name JAMES or Jamie as he was known or maybe u want to pull any of the above people as well !

I called him Jamie the linch mob over it !

my god your so petitic and sick some of the posters here no wonder children are badly brought up by some people !

If you know as much about the case as you claim then you should know that his name was James and his mother has spoken publicly several times about how distressing it is for her that the press began referring to him as Jamie, which he was NEVER known as, which led to the public believing his name was Jamie. I heard
an interview with her in which she asked listeners to correct people who don't use his correct name. His name is all that is left of him in this world, the least you can do if you're going to discuss your superior knowledge of his horrific murder case is to use the name that was his in his short time as a happy and deeply loved little boy when alive.

Sardonicat · 27-11-2019 10:37AM

Millionaire only not wrote: »

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/jamie-bulger-ana-kriegel

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-jamie-bulger-film-a-serious-and-moral-piece-of-work-1.3781841

I presume ur reference to me about the name JAMES or Jamie as he was known or maybe u want to pull up the above people as well!

I see ur posts /research with last number of years , relate to incest , period pain And I only looked at some of ur posts !

I see you've edited your post after my response in an attempt to cast aspertions on my character. Incest? What precisely are you trying to imply?

tuxy · 27-11-2019 11:10AM

Millionaire only not wrote: »

U want to stand up for Venables and Thompson and probably animal a/b as well off u go .
They didn’t rehabilitate the first 2 and like of it happening on second 2 is remote !
U need bit of help urself, pickin over names pickin on them being gay - bully u need to be reported

All ur posts tuxy relate to children , says it all
In one of ur last posts it’s related to age of consent in every country , what kind of human being goes around looking for age of consent ! have u alternative motives maybe

How could a conversation be had with someone as illiterate as yourself, it's just a jumble of random letters.
This explains why you constantly post incorrect information.

Mr E · 27-11-2019 12:06PM

Mod: @Millionaire only not - stop attacking other posters. I've carded you and deleted some of your posts. Next time will get you a ban.

Road-Hog · 27-11-2019 02:09PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

When someone can't even get the child's name right, the extent of their research has to be questioned.

The tabloids/Brit media are normally the reason for this ‘mis-naming’.....as well as ‘jamie’ Bolger there has also been ‘maddie’ McCann.....and I’m sure other that I can’t think of.......it’s hardly a big deal in any case.....we all know who ‘jamie’ Bolger is......it’s not like th Bolger family will be reading through this thread and we are adding to their trauma by incorrectly naming their child...?

mrjoneill · 01-12-2019 08:31PM

The mindset of a teen killer....15yr old....butter wouldn't melt!!!!!!!

"Daniel William Marsh confessed to the brutal murders of an elderly Davis couple, saying he’d had the urge to kill since he was about 10 years old, a Davis police detective said during chilling testimony Friday at Marsh’s preliminary hearing.
“Every person he would look at, he would have horrible thoughts of how he would kill them,” Detective Ariel Pineda said. The 16-year-old also described having fantasies of a schoolyard massacre, “how many he was going to take out before he was taken out.”
The hourlong hearing in Yolo Superior Court ended with Marsh being ordered to stand trial for the April 13 stabbing deaths of Oliver Northup, 87, and his wife Claudia Maupin, 76, whose mutilated bodies police found in the bedroom of their Cowell Boulevard condominium."

https://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/police-teen-confessed-to-killing-davis-couple/

Gadgetman496 · 03-12-2019 03:44PM

'Boy B' has lodged an appeal against his conviction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1203/1096767-boy-b-has-lodged-an-appeal-against-his-conviction-for/

monty_python · 03-12-2019 03:58PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

'Boy B' has lodged an appeal against his conviction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1203/1096767-boy-b-has-lodged-an-appeal-against-his-conviction-for/

Another link https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/boy-b-lodges-appeal-against-17357319

Kevhog1988 · 03-12-2019 03:59PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

'Boy B' has lodged an appeal against his conviction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1203/1096767-boy-b-has-lodged-an-appeal-against-his-conviction-for/

Terrible for anas family

JP Liz V1 · 03-12-2019 04:01PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

'Boy B' has lodged an appeal against his conviction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1203/1096767-boy-b-has-lodged-an-appeal-against-his-conviction-for/

I hope it gets increased

03-12-2019 04:02PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

'Boy B' has lodged an appeal against his conviction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1203/1096767-boy-b-has-lodged-an-appeal-against-his-conviction-for/

Huzza! Some taxpayer-funded barristers are going to have a very happy Christmas. :mad:

Faugheen · 03-12-2019 04:22PM

No doubt being pushed by his father.

Boy A told him he wanted to kill her, he lured her miles away from her home on false pretences and then he managed to place himself at the scene while it was all unfolding.

He must be extremely naive, or think everyone came down in the last shower.

03-12-2019 04:41PM

Faugheen wrote: »

No doubt being pushed by his father.

Boy A told him he wanted to kill her, he lured her miles away from her home on false pretences and then he managed to place himself at the scene while it was all unfolding.

He must be extremely naive, or think everyone came down in the last shower.

Can a child actually decide to appeal a sentence or must a parent/guardian do it on their behalf?

Gadgetman496 · 03-12-2019 04:45PM

171170 wrote: »

Can a child actually decide to appeal a sentence or must a parent/guardian do it on their behalf?

I'd imagine it's down to the person convicted.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 05:07PM

Faugheen wrote: »

No doubt being pushed by his father.

Is this the same father who did not attend court for sentencing because they had a falling out?

Gadgetman496 · 03-12-2019 05:08PM

tuxy wrote: »

Is this the same father who did not attend court for sentencing because they had a falling out?

No

tuxy · 03-12-2019 05:09PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

No

So boy B has more than one father?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/boy-b-who-was-found-guilty-of-murder-maintains-innocence-38644522.html

Mr Colgan also said that Boy B's father was not in court, saying there had been a falling-out between the pair

Gadgetman496 · 03-12-2019 05:21PM

tuxy wrote: »

So boy B has more than one father?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/boy-b-who-was-found-guilty-of-murder-maintains-innocence-38644522.html

Irish Times:

Boy A was accompanied to court by his parents and both grandfathers. Boy B’s father, who had been absent from the sentencing hearing on October 29th, was back in court, along with the boy’s mother and two other family members.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/boy-a-and-boy-b-rarely-looked-up-and-never-at-one-another-1.4073601

riemann · 03-12-2019 05:24PM

171170 wrote: »

Huzza! Some taxpayer-funded barristers are going to have a very happy Christmas. :mad:

Those private school fees / bmw x5 / little place in france / mistresses aren't getting any cheaper.

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 03-12-2019 05:30PM

The reality is that if Boy B had refused to cooperate with police there would be no evidence to charge him with murder...

Did he lure the victim to the scene? Yes
Did he know what Boy A would ultimately do ? ...no one here can say.

In no way is his crime comparable to that of Boy A . His appeal was inevitable.I’d say he’ll be out in two years.

Vicarious Function · 03-12-2019 06:11PM

Faugheen wrote: »

No doubt being pushed by his father.

Boy A told him he wanted to kill her, he lured her miles away from her home on false pretences and then he managed to place himself at the scene while it was all unfolding.

He must be extremely naive, or think everyone came down in the last shower.

Added to that he told so much lies to the Police. Far as we know, he still has not told the true story in full. Can we ever berlieve anything he says?

Faugheen · 03-12-2019 06:16PM

Reed Panicky Swimmer wrote: »

The reality is that if Boy B had refused to cooperate with police there would be no evidence to charge him with murder...

Did he lure the victim to the scene? Yes
Did he know what Boy A would ultimately do ? ...no one here can say.

In no way is his crime comparable to that of Boy A . His appeal was inevitable.I’d say he’ll be out in two years.

Bollocks. Listen to Frank Greaney’s podcast series where they went through Boy B’s evidence. He set the whole thing up. I was convinced of it at the time and I was even more convinced when I listened to that podcast.

With every lie he told, he always pinned it back to Boy A while dissolving himself of anything, but yet he knew more than he let on the whole time.

He knew full well what was going on and the fact he lied over and over and over again is proof of this.

He was told by Boy A that he wanted to kill her, so he didn’t think much of it and then lured her miles away from her own house to a derelict building? What did he think was going to happen?

The fact anyone here thinks he might not have known is baffling.

Sardonicat · 03-12-2019 06:18PM

What's the name of that podcast, please?

Faugheen · 03-12-2019 06:23PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

What's the name of that podcast, please?

https://open.spotify.com/show/423eOUseAmEqJNYTKFiVOx?si=AbEEpcaVQH6X2vEgig5Vww

It’s on the Newstalk website somewhere too I’d imagine

Stop moaning ffs · 03-12-2019 07:49PM

Faugheen wrote: »

https://open.spotify.com/show/423eOUseAmEqJNYTKFiVOx?si=AbEEpcaVQH6X2vEgig5Vww

It’s on the Newstalk website somewhere too I’d imagine

It’s this the one in three parts?

If so it’s essential listening.
Three journalists who covered the whole trial in court.

dublincelt · 03-12-2019 08:49PM

The judge should have stated that any appeals would result in the loss of right to anonymity. Would be interesting to see if he would appeal then, somehow I think not...

tuxy · 03-12-2019 08:51PM

dublincelt wrote: »

The judge should have stated that any appeals would result in the loss of right to anonymity. Would be interesting to see if he would appeal then, somehow I think not...

Is there a precedent for that? It sounds like something that could have been used to leverage a verdict of mistrial.

salmocab · 03-12-2019 08:52PM

dublincelt wrote: »

The judge should have stated that any appeals would result in the loss of right to anonymity. Would be interesting to see if he would appeal then, somehow I think not...

Judges don’t make threats like this, we mightn’t like it but they are both fully entitled to make appeals and they can’t be treated any differently to any other criminals.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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