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Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Jurgen The German


    Would he? In theory, yes. But just look at the summer gone. Did we act like a team with a lot of financial fire power? Add in last january, summer 2018 and January 2018. Do United act like a club with massive financial strength or one working to moderate net spend?

    Net spend in summer 2018 and 2019 very similar. Coincidence?

    Sure we spent big on Maguire and AWB - but we sold Lukaku for a fair wedge. Let Herrera leave without replacing him (having sold and not replaced Fellaini) and loaned Sanchez out without replacing him. Not only did we take in a good sum of cash from the Lukaku sale - we substantially reduced the wage bill.

    At United would Poch really have that much more financial power? Or would he have his hands tied behind his back like the last few United managers have had.

    One would assume there was reluctance to speed big considering Oles inexperience, or perhaps Ole genuinely believed the players at the club were sufficient, we will never know for sure but we have spent big (and foolishly in alot of cases) in the last 7 years.


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A big positive from yesterday was Lingard I thought. He appears to have lost any ability or confidence to break through the lines but his passing this season has been generally pretty good if unadventurous. It really suited the team having someone with a cool head moving the ball around and dragging players out of position. Something Pereira didn't do. With his work rate I wouldn't mind him being tried out deeper.


  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    Ole shouldn't be given any position he's not qualified for.
    Saying he should be DOF is equally as bad as saying he should be allowed continue as Man Utd manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    Ole shouldn't be given any position he's not qualified for.
    Saying he should be DOF is equally as bad as saying he should be allowed continue as Man Utd manager.

    But what is the qualification for being DoF? Many top clubs appointed people with a lot less experience than Ole as their DoF.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    But what is the qualification for being DoF? Many top clubs appointed people with a lot less experience than Ole as their DoF.

    Its also an expectations thing.

    When people online talk about a DoF, they want someone to utterly replace Woodward, and take charge of restructuring the club from top to bottom.

    Sadly, that won't happen. Woodward is going nowhere.

    The DoF will be a figure head, and thats about it. Someone to pose for pictures and pretend to be in charge of things. Which suits Ole, or Rio, or whoever else. Because a proper, top tier DoF won't come to play as Woody's puppet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    One would assume there was reluctance to speed big considering Oles inexperience, or perhaps Ole genuinely believed the players at the club were sufficient, we will never know for sure but we have spent big (and foolishly in alot of cases) in the last 7 years.

    Well... then WTF are United at?

    Appoint a manager and then don't back in 5 months later cause you aren't sure of him?

    As I said the previous summer with Jose, back him or sack him. Doing neither set United back, and if it was the case in the summer too, it set United back again.

    If Ole thinks Pereira, McTominay, Matic and Pogba are a good enough midfield unit, then he should be sacked for that alone, cause it is blatantly incorrect.

    Transfer business done in summer 2018, January 2019, summer 2019 have all been shocking - that is the trend and that is what I will base my assumption of what the current United budgetting is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,436 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    But what is the qualification for being DoF? Many top clubs appointed people with a lot less experience than Ole as their DoF.

    Ole said after yesterday’s result, there has been changes between last years side and this years, positive changes. That the attitude is there. The same who thinks performances are great when they’re absolutely dire.

    Every single one of us can see the performances have been absolutely dog shît. Putrid to watch. No bite. Glimpses of talent but no strategy, etc.

    If he’s that deluded, I don’t want him anywhere near a DOF role, especially under qualified.

    If going down that route, Ferdinand would be a better shout. Seems to have better links around the globe and better personality to attract players. That said, he’s not qualified, nor is Ole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Dublin Spur


    MUFC would be mad not to go for Poch, right now
    With the right backing, I think he would have delivered a league title for Spurs
    He would get that backing at ManYoo
    You should go for him before someone else does


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    If poch comes in or any other manager

    They need guarantees from the club of full control and the funds being there to rebuild

    Other than receiving these guarantees I wouldn't think any good manager would want or take the job


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    MUFC would be mad not to go for Poch, right now
    With the right backing, I think he would have delivered a league title for Spurs

    He had his chance the year Leicester won it.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Ole and Moyes now have almost identical records as manager of United.

    34 games played, 57 points!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Dublin Spur


    ozzy jr wrote: »
    He had his chance the year Leicester won it.

    yep :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭Invincible


    MUFC would be mad not to go for Poch, right now
    With the right backing, I think he would have delivered a league title for Spurs
    He would get that backing at ManYoo
    You should go for him before someone else does

    What better did he do than Ole is doing now!
    He didn't actually go out on a high, once it went downhill for Spurs, he wasn't able to turn it around.
    Benitez would have better credibility, if he was available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Invincible wrote: »
    What better did he do than Ole is doing now!
    He didn't actually go out on a high, once it went downhill for Spurs, he wasn't able to turn it around.
    Benitez would have better credibility, if he was available.

    Put Spurs in the regular hunt for CL spots.
    Had Spurs playing in a Champions League final.
    Had Spurs playing coherent football.

    How on earth can you think what Ole is doing now is comparable to what Poch did with Southampton or Spurs. Lunacy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Put Spurs in the regular hunt for CL spots.
    Had Spurs playing in a Champions League final.
    Had Spurs playing coherent football.

    How on earth can you think what Ole is doing now is comparable to what Poch did with Southampton or Spurs. Lunacy.
    People are blinded for the love of the man and the legend

    Refuse to judge him as a manager

    Brilliant signing by the board imo

    They know oles legacy is so important to us as fans so that covers their arses

    I love OLE

    But he is way out of his depth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    People are blinded for the love of the man and the legend

    Refuse to judge him as a manager

    Brilliant signing by the board imo

    They know oles legacy is so important to us as fans so that covers their arses

    I love OLE

    But he is way out of his depth

    Its the same with this 'We've tried the superstar manager route...'. Its infuriating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Lads saying ole only does the bad stuff and somebody else does the good stuff doesn’t help the club.

    Accountants give contracts, work out wages and length of contract. To think they let Ole jiggle the finances of a billion pound corporation because he scored the winner in a champions league final is ludicrous.

    It’s 2019. Stuff like the manager putting an old pro on 30 bob a week is long gone.

    Jones has been kept at the club way longer than ole has been there. If he has a run of ten games in a row he will sell for 15 million ideally but I think it was a bad decision made by accountants and advisors and maybe marketing men. Herrera wanted way more than he was worth, maybe ole wanted to keep him but accountants said no. Or maybe he was told he could spend 800 000 a week on his midfield wages and Herrera could only be offered less than he wanted to make that happen. He certainly didn’t decide to pay off interest only on a loan in the first quarter of the fiscal year to cover half his wages then cut croissants from the canteen to cover the other half.

    He picks the team and tells them how to play and tries to keep them motivated. Coaches are just like super valu supervisors now, They decide who packs the shelves and who sweeps the floor and sometimes they might get a say on recruitment.

    The club is slowly being squeezed. Just like Liverpool was under hicks and the other fella. All costs squashed right down to a minimum until they sell off in a crisis when it’s been fully squeezed.

    I refuse to throw ole under the wheels of it and have it go further then under a new manager. Honestly how people can watch all these managers struggle and think we need a new manager is madness.

    I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if behind the scenes mick phelan ran the team and ole does the interviews and the marketing department thought Carrick would look good standing there with a clip board.

    The supporters need to push against how the club is run, not how the team is run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭Invincible


    Put Spurs in the regular hunt for CL spots.
    Had Spurs playing in a Champions League final.
    Had Spurs playing coherent football.

    How on earth can you think what Ole is doing now is comparable to what Poch did with Southampton or Spurs. Lunacy.

    But he had a better selection of players at spurs, than he'd have with this current united team. As was posted earlier, no replacements brought in gor Lukaku,Sanchez,Fellaini or Herrera.
    Cant expect ant manager to come in and do wonders with whats there presently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    BDI wrote: »
    I refuse to throw ole under the wheels of it and have it go further then under a new manager. Honestly how people can watch all these managers struggle and think we need a new manager is madness.

    I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if behind the scenes mick phelan ran the team and ole does the interviews and the marketing department thought Carrick would look good standing there with a clip board.

    The supporters need to push against how the club is run, not how the team is run.

    So.... firstly. It could be both. Both the manager is not good enough, the board are rubbish.

    secondly. You reckon we should back the manager.... whom it wouldn't surprise you if he wasn't even the manager.

    Thirdly. Do both. The manager is not good enough. Even with full backing from the board, he would not be good enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Invincible wrote: »
    But he had a better selection of players at spurs, than he'd have with this current united team. As was posted earlier, no replacements brought in gor Lukaku,Sanchez,Fellaini or Herrera.
    Cant expect ant manager to come in and do wonders with whats there presently.

    No, you can't. But you can expect a manager to do BETTER than Ole is doing. Relegation form is the best a manager could do at United with these players?

    Why did he sanction the sale of Lukaku and Fellaini without replacements? Why did he sanction the loan of Sanchez without replacement? Why did he not demand a replacement for Herrera?

    Maybe he did... demand replacement but Woodward knows there is no chance Ole will speak out or speak up cause Ole knows there is no effing chance he gets a better job. Its United or back to Norway with him.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    No, you can't. But you can expect a manager to do BETTER than Ole is doing. Relegation form is the best a manager could do at United with these players?

    Why did he sanction the sale of Lukaku and Fellaini without replacements? Why did he sanction the loan of Sanchez without replacement? Why did he not demand a replacement for Herrera?

    Maybe he did... demand replacement but Woodward knows there is no chance Ole will speak out or speak up cause Ole knows there is no effing chance he gets a better job. Its United or back to Norway with him.

    He has a long contract. If he speaks out and gets sacked he will be paid off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭xtal191




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    v3ttel wrote: »
    I like Pochettino, he did a very good job over multiple years at Spurs.........but to play devils advocate.

    I wonder what the people calling for Pochettino would think if we had 14 points after 12 games?

    Of if they've be happy if we took 9 points from 14 away games in the current calendar year?

    Or how they would feel about appointing a manager who has never won a trophy?

    Seeing as those are the the reasons for wanting our current manager out. IMHO, this "golden opportunity" is hyperbolic BS. There is no magic wand or silver bullet to fix the problems at MUFC.



    There is no magic wand but what there is.. is like any club, any industry when success isn’t happening you need to address why...

    Is recruitment up to standard if not... WHY ?

    Tactics on the pitch, style of play, issues ? ... WHY ?

    There are reasons WHY we are fûcking around in the doldrums of the league.... identify them, start addressing them, fix them...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    BDI wrote: »
    He has a long contract. If he speaks out and gets sacked he will be paid off.

    And will find it very difficult to get any job that is remotely comparable.

    There isn't a PL club, or top league club anywhere that would by banging on his door.

    This is his one shot, and he won't do anything to jeopardise it. He'll toe the line. To the end of the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭Invincible


    And will find it very difficult to get any job that is remotely comparable.

    There isn't a PL club, or top league club anywhere that would by banging on his door.

    This is his one shot, and he won't do anything to jeopardise it. He'll toe the line. To the end of the line.

    That he'll do, as without a proven track record, he wont get another job of comparable stature.
    No matter what manager is there, unless he's guaranteed the funds to strengthen the squad, we'll be looking at an underperforming team for years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,392 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Nobody has patience anymore. What's the problem with giving Ole a few years to get the club in order.
    What actual difference does it make to anyone here?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    kippy wrote: »
    Nobody has patience anymore. What's the problem with giving Ole a few years to get the club in order.
    What actual difference does it make to anyone here?

    Whats the proof he's the man to do it? What makes Ole, in particular, the man to entrust that level of restructuring too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,392 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Whats the proof he's the man to do it? What makes Ole, in particular, the man to entrust that level of restructuring too?

    Have you learned nothing from the past 7 years or so.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    kippy wrote: »
    Have you learned nothing from the past 7 years or so.

    Thats not an answer.

    What makes Ole, in particular, worthy of such faith?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,392 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Thats not an answer.

    What makes Ole, in particular, worthy of such faith?

    Of course it's an answer. If it doesn't suit you,fair enough


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