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General Premier League Thread 2019-20

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  • #7262
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Rafa to Arsenal seems to be a no brainer, but it is Arsenal.

    Vastly underrated for some reason and isn't ever linked to a top PL job. Probably down to the fact his man management style and he's not afraid to butt heads with upper management.
    West Ham or Arsenal are idiots if they don't try for him.


  • #7263
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,253 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Berserker wrote: »
    I'm not putting him down. He is a brilliant manager but he doesn't have the experience needed to bring a club into the top six, which is what Everton need. It'd be the wrong job for him and he'll end up getting tossed onto the managerial scrap heap after a season or two.

    If Everton want to get into the top 6 they need two from Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester and United to fall away for a prolonged period.

    I just don't see that happening. United are bad at the minute but they'll get it right, same with Arsenal. Spurs have cut their losses with Poch and appointed Jose and I fully expect it to pay off and they at least make EL for next season.


  • #7264
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You're absolutely gutted he's not at Utd I'd say

    Would do a much better job at the wheel than Ole I reckon


  • #7265
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    ricero wrote: »
    Would do a much better job at the wheel than Ole I reckon

    Howe at the wheel hasn't the same ring to it.

    You do have a strange fetish like fascination with the man though.


  • #7266
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    If anything I think Dyche is better than Howe. Dyche has spent absolutely nothing and shown to be a more pragmatic coach than Howe IMO.


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  • #7267
    Esme Early Cheddar
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Esme Early Cheddar


    ricero wrote: »
    Would do a much better job at the wheel than Ole I reckon

    I'd agree. But a championship level manager would also do a better job than Ole


  • #7268
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Aguero out for a few weeks, including the derby match but given City's ability to get players back for a big game I'd not pay much attention.


  • #7269
    gstack166
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭gstack166


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Aguero out for a few weeks, including the derby match but given City's ability to get players back for a big game I'd not pay much attention.

    Except for Aguero long history of muscular injuries.


  • #7270
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Rafa to Arsenal seems to be a no brainer, but it is Arsenal.

    Yea he would do a good job there as well


  • #7271
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    ricero wrote: »
    Would do a much better job at the wheel than Ole I reckon

    How(e)s he at the wheel!


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  • #7272
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Speak Now wrote: »
    How(e)s he at the wheel!

    How is Ole still at the wheel?

    If he wasn't an ex-player, he would not have got the job, and he would not still have a job. Not one player has improved under him as a coach. Some players are regressing.


  • #7273
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,428 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    FitzShane wrote: »
    How is Ole still at the wheel?

    If he wasn't an ex-player, he would not have got the job, and he would not still have a job. Not one player has improved under him as a coach. Some players are regressing.

    He was put in as a stop gap and unbelievably the team which had been performing horribly went on a fantastic run. I actually thought it was a good appointment for them at the time. As a fan you'd be rightly annoyed with the players, who were dire before him, improved beyond belief and then reset to dire.


  • #7274
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Rashford, no? He immediately started playing better under Ole (and scoring) and now some players are coming back, he seems in that kind of form again.


  • #7275
    brinty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    rob316 wrote:
    If anything I think Dyche is better than Howe. Dyche has spent absolutely nothing and shown to be a more pragmatic coach than Howe IMO.


    I think Dyche and Howe are holding out for the Liverpool job when Klopp leaves as planned in 2021. And they'd be right too


  • #7276
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Baggly wrote: »
    Rashford, no? He immediately started playing better under Ole (and scoring) and now some players are coming back, he seems in that kind of form again.

    Possibly, but I wouldn't be so sure yet. He is still very hit and miss. The centre forward play hasn't really developed and has been criticized multiple times this season for not having good enough movement in and around the box. Neville criticized him again yesterday for it. As an ex-centre forward, this is the exact thing you would expect OGS to be coaching into Rashford. Movement in the penalty box was one of OGS biggest strengths, so it should be a no brainer.


  • #7277
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Lol.

    "Everton are a small club"
    "Everton should be worried about staying up"

    Where's that Simpsons meme where he walks in and walks back out?

    Howe would bring some decent football to Everton but the defensive issues wouldn't be resolved.


  • #7278
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    FitzShane wrote: »
    How is Ole still at the wheel?

    If he wasn't an ex-player, he would not have got the job, and he would not still have a job. Not one player has improved under him as a coach. Some players are regressing.

    rashford, james, mctominay, have all been much better, even fred is starting to play better under him


  • #7279
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Id give him a break because Martial has been injured and offers a lot in build up for Rashford to capitalise upon, but thats just me.

    Appreciate what Neville said, but involved in 2 goals, scoring one is decent.

    Probably too early to judge, you are right.


  • #7280
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    If Everton have ambition and there is no reason to say they don't with the new owner and the amount of money they have spent in the transfer windows over the last few years and ambitious new stadium plans they should be going all out to get Poch.


  • #7281
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Baggly wrote: »
    Id give him a break because Martial has been injured and offers a lot in build up for Rashford to capitalise upon, but thats just me.

    Appreciate what Neville said, but involved in 2 goals, scoring one is decent.

    Probably too early to judge, you are right.

    Martial and Rashford are good squad players, neither would get anywhere near City or Liverpools teams!


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  • #7282
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    dundalkfc10 wrote:
    Martial and Rashford are good squad players, neither would get anywhere near City or Liverpools teams!


    That's not a metric I use much. Most players wouldnt. City and pool squad players don't get near the starting team too most of the time.

    I think they are better than squad players anyway. Only issue is there inconsistency, for me. Be good to see them on a run of games playing together.


  • #7283
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Oh and city would snap uniteds hand off for Rashford. For his nationality if nothing else.


  • #7284
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Baggly wrote: »
    Oh and city would snap uniteds hand off for Rashford. For his nationality if nothing else.

    Maybe but he wouldnt get any game time at all!


  • #7285
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Baggly wrote: »
    Oh and city would snap uniteds hand off for Rashford. For his nationality if nothing else.

    rashford is every bit as good as mahrez. he is a fantastic young player that most teams would love to have


  • #7286
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    dundalkfc10 wrote:
    Maybe but he wouldnt get any game time at all!


    Agree to disagree I guess.


  • #7287
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Maybe but he wouldnt get any game time at all!

    of course he would, silly to suggest otherwise


  • #7288
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Martial and Rashford are good squad players, neither would get anywhere near City or Liverpools teams!

    Rashford is doing very well in the last month.

    He has 10 goals this season & scored against Liverpool & Chelsea.
    He is a very good wide forward.


  • #7289
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    rob316 wrote: »
    If anything I think Dyche is better than Howe. Dyche has spent absolutely nothing and shown to be a more pragmatic coach than Howe IMO.

    Dyche has done a much more impressive job than Howe. In the last 5 years bournemouth have a net spend of 135 million burnley have a net spend of 50 million. Bournemouth wpuld also have a higher wage bill than burnley and find it far easier to attract players. Dyche took over from Howe at Burnley win Howe had them mid table in the championship . With little or no spending dyche got them promoted. Howe also stated at the time that he couldn't settle up north so possibly rules him out of the Everton job anyway.


  • #7290
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭This is it


    Villa getting plenty forward in attack. End product poor enough but you'd think it's only a matter of time.


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  • #7291
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Dyche has done a much more impressive job than Howe. In the last 5 years bournemouth have a net spend of 135 million burnley have a net spend of 50 million. Bournemouth wpuld also have a higher wage bill than burnley and find it far easier to attract players. Dyche took over from Howe at Burnley win Howe had them mid table in the championship . With little or no spending dyche got them promoted. Howe also stated at the time that he couldn't settle up north so possibly rules him out of the Everton job anyway.

    But does Dyche or Howe look more like a guy with the 'vision' to succeed at a top club? Obviously we'll never know for sure until they get one of those jobs, but to me Dyche looks like another Hodgson/Moyes appointment for a top 6 club, whereas Howe has the potential to be the next Brendan Rodgers...


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