Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

Tuanzebe and Shaw back training with the first team today.

kerplun k wrote: »

Of course. And I do agree with you to some extent.

Look, It’s hard to argue a case for keeping Ole on.

Our performances over the last 12 months has been awful. I wouldn’t be too upset if he was sacked. But, there’s other factors at stake.

At this current time, the conditions at our club for any manager are not ideal, and bringing in Poch now off the back of a disastrous end to his time at spurs is a huge gamble.

Oles last few results has just tipped the scales in favour of me wanting to keep things as they are (for now) until something big changes.

There’s no point in causing all the upheaval that comes with changing managers, just to bring in a guy who is short on confidence and isn’t going to flourish under our conditions.

I know, it sounds mad because Poch is clearly a much, much better manager than Ole, but for me, the conditions just aren’t right.

i see were you coming from but isnt also the case if we wait and end up sacking ole end of the season or early next year we damage our potential top class replacements poch, allegri etc with other top clubs with champions league opportunity to take on

Father Hernandez wrote: »

How much do we think Spurs will pay for Matic in January?

honestly i wouldnt be surprised if he bid for mctominary

Deleted User wrote: »

The point is well made, but some of us like myself believe that waiting to see what happens with Ole is only a recipe for further disaster down the line.

The availability of Poch is the primary issue.
Either Utd cut ties now or miss out on him. Which is exactly what will happen.
This is fundimentaly more evidence of how badly the club is being run.

It would be evidence of rubbish no matter what.

Imagine Ole got sacked tonight and Poch appointed tomorrow.

The reason for sacking Ole would only be that Poch was available. It could be the right call, but it also shows that United had no faith in Ole but were sticking with him cause there wasn't an easy choice available. That is a poor way to run a club too!

It will be very interesting to see how Jose gets along with Levy. Levy is notorious for being heavily involved in transfers.

It will also be interesting to see how the players take Jose and how he deals with them. I'd imagine he wont get along with everyone and the like of Kane and Son could be available come the summer.

Interesting times ahead.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Ole gutted the squad, something not done at this extent and so quickly before, and is attempting a rebuild very quickly. He is still very early in his tenure without a full season under his belt yet. Suggesting the term rebuild is just an excuse in this case is unfair, its quite clearly the case.

As Mitch pointed out lots of people are prepared to give managers different amounts of time on the job. I advocated more time for both Moyes and LVG because I'm not a fan of revolving door managers and we are in danger of becoming like Chelsea in that respect, a manager every two seasons.

Jose had much more time and money spent than Ole and left us in a bad position in the table for being afforded that much time and cash. The cleanout was immensely quick with still more to do under Ole and yes the squad is depleted and we are short in areas like a backup striker and some have leveled lots of criticism at Ole for this.

That criticism is correct if you expected us to be competitive this season, I said in the summer after the window that I expect this season for us to be non competitive, as a clear out and rebuild doesn't happen in one window. We got defense almost sorted, now we need MF and the forward line and we clearly weakened in area before we can re-strengthen.

Poch maybe the more experienced coach and if circumstances were different I would prefer him to take over pre Ole but now that Ole is in the middle of his rebuild and more reliance on youth, sacking him and bringing some else in with a different vision sets us back to square one.

didnt LVG cut more than ole did i could be wrong but felt like a similar cull

Drumpot wrote: »

Jose got us to second when the board backed him. The board has forced this rebuild by their actions, not Joses. You dont seem to get it , you have bought into this "Jose was the problem" narrative and keep doubling down , ignoring anything to the contrary. This is the 2nd rebuild United needed in less then a decade, why is that ? Why are we the only club that always needs these fuppin rebuilds? Dont you get it ? The club is being run extremely badly and Jose was more a victim and scapegoat , then the actual cause of our issues.

United has struggled with players and managers long before Jose came. You cant blame him for this rebuild.

Your only defence of Ole is that he is in the middle of a rebuild that nobody thinks he was qualified to do in the first place . . You cant actually give any other reason why he should be retained other then "we cant keep sacking managers", its just crazy logic.

Thats funny because your nigh impossible to talk to on the subject. You just keep defaulting to either your with Jose or not and then claim others "just dont get it" and that THEY "double down".

Yes Jose and his attitude were a big problem, you'd have to be delusional to say otherwise, he has a proven history of it. Yes the club also has squad and behind the scenes problems, I've never denied it but, you just keep ignoring it downright lying about me thinking Jose was the only problem but Jose a scapegoat? Nobody asked him to act like he did on camera, to the press and players. He purposely isolated himself instead of doing the best job he could which is unacceptable. He showed no professionalism and acted like a brat tbh.

Your constant mentioning of the 2nd place is pointless, it was something like 16 points off City and teams faltered in the run in to give us 2nd, the idea that this was Jose's crowning achievement is laughable and highlights how badly he did.

In his last season, with Lukaku, Fellaini etc and all the players still in the team that people criticize Ole for off loading Jose had us playing some miserable ineffective football and getting beaten by very average teams. Ole by his own choice has less to work with but I'm sure the irony of you who wanted Jose to stay with all those players at his disposal had us limping to 6th and worse are calling for Oles head but Jose with more to work with should have been kept. Its a complete contradiction.

I never "blamed this rebuild on Jose". Your actually counter arguing points in your own head and nothing I've said. Ole has gone for a drastic squad gutting and rebuild and has made us weaker in the short term, thats what I said, between this and your claim I only though Jose was the problem well you just leave those goalposts alone now please.

You can ignore Jose's last season all you want and keep mentioning the second place finish but Jose did enough terrible football and toxic behavior to earn a sacking in his last season, nobody called for his head before that and if you think Maguire in that summer would have transformed the team and Joses vision would have finally been realized and we would have gone onto to improve on 2nd and compete your nuts. Maguire would have just been another player in Joses terrible system.

Drumpot wrote: »

This is the 2nd rebuild United needed in less then a decade, why is that ? Why are we the only club that always needs these fuppin rebuilds? Dont you get it ? The club is being run extremely badly and Jose was more a victim and scapegoat , then the actual cause of our issues.

I think it's obvious to everyone the club has done some really poor business in terms of transfer selection and player expenditure for much of the last 5 years.

JM is not responsible for all this. But no way does he get away as lightly as some are suggesting either.....

All indications are he greenlit signings like Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez, Pogba, Matic, Bailly.

And to varying degrees these guys have just not performed to the level expected. Some were just, to put it quite bluntly, a flop.

brinty wrote: »

Ole had last winter and the summer,

In fairness Ole wasn't made perminent manager til Feb or March so you can't really say he had the January window. He could advise but wouldn't have been able to make the same demands a manager would (that fall on deaf ears anyway)

Ole “gutting” the squad was another diversion tactic

Whatsisname wrote: »

Didn’t Ed say Jose didn’t want a DOF? Good ol Ed.

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I think he actually recommended him to utd when he was in charge