Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

Mitch Connor · 19-11-2019 11:07PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t see how or why any result over the next few weeks should matter. Either Poch is the right man (and interested) or he isn’t, it’s been a muck season by any stretch. I don’t see how united would take a wait and see approach to see if Their Hail Mary Ole gamble will work just because there has been a few decent results of late.

So you don't think united are in any way a reactionary club that can be led by popular opinion? Like.... when we appointed Ole in the first place?

19-11-2019 11:14PM

Poch has never won anything so lets keep Ole who has won a few things in Norway with Molde

Drumpot · 19-11-2019 11:42PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So you don't think united are in any way a reactionary club that can be led by popular opinion? Like.... when we appointed Ole in the first place?

That’s why I said results “should not Matter” when it comes to Poch v Ole. I’ve no faith in Woodward, I’ve more faith in many of the posters in this forum doing a better job, just saying it really feels like a no brainer to replace Ole with Poch.

Adamcp898 · 19-11-2019 11:53PM

Looks like the Bad Man is close to making a come back according to SSN.

Ole looking at calendar “Dec 4th vs Spurs”

*nervous laughter*

Headshot · 20-11-2019 12:05AM

Have to say fair play to Spurs they aren't dithering or delaying over a new manager, bang Jose in advance talks already

I wish utd would be ruthless but with Woodward in charged we are spineless

It be nice to see Ole leaving Carrington tomorrow for good and Poch coming in the following day but i'm confined that utd board and especially Woodward will never do what's good for the club and they'll keep struggling on with Ole until it's to late....

I'm very downhearted with how our club is run and with how Ole is still managing the club

BDI · 20-11-2019 12:11AM

Headshot wrote: »

Have to say fair play to Spurs they aren't dithering or delaying over a new manager, bang Jose in advance talks already

I wish utd would be ruthless but with Woodward in charged we are spineless

It be nice to see Ole leaving Carrington tomorrow for good and Poch coming in the following day but i'm confined that utd board and especially Woodward will never do what's good for the club and they'll keep struggling on with Ole until it's to late....

I'm very downhearted with how our club is run and with how Ole is still managing the club

You say they are doing the right thing in sacking the manager you want to hire and admire how they are going to hire the manager we sacked a year ago? I’m honestly wondering what’s going on here with this thread.

Lord TSC · 20-11-2019 12:23AM

Dozyart wrote: »

Ole out,Poch out and the manager after him out too.....maybe i'll be willing to actually let a manager try and build something after that!
Shouldnt be too hard by then with a squad bought by 7 different managers with different visions!

This makes zero sense in the context of the current discussion.

Ole and Poch actually makes sense in terms of transition and “vision”. At Spurs, Poch built a young team (with a decent British core) and had them playing really good football, with good results (even if the end product suffered).

In other words, Poch actually DID what Ole TALKS about. Poch is pretty much the successful version of the vision Ole waxes lyrical about. Every one of those philosophies that United apparently stands for, Poch has had a far, far better success rate in implementation.

At the end of the day, Ole talks a big game, but the on field product has been dire. 16 points in 12 games is awful form, and if he wasn’t a club legend as a player, he’d have been sacked weeks ago (he’d actually never have even been on the shortlist for the job, to be pedantic). Ole shouldn’t still be the United manager, and it’s the usual mid-table mentality from Woodward that he is still there.

If he was sacked tomorrow, and you wanted as smooth a transition in terms of vision and philosophy, you’d be hard pushed to find a better candidate than Poch.

DM_7 · 20-11-2019 12:24AM

Headshot wrote: »

Have to say fair play to Spurs they aren't dithering or delaying over a new manager, bang Jose in advance talks already

I wish utd would be ruthless but with Woodward in charged we are spineless

It be nice to see Ole leaving Carrington tomorrow for good and Poch coming in the following day but i'm confined that utd board and especially Woodward will never do what's good for the club and they'll keep struggling on with Ole until it's to late....

I'm very downhearted with how our club is run and with how Ole is still managing the club

Advanced talks?

I think Spurs would have the deal with the new manager done before sacking Poch.

Headshot · 20-11-2019 12:31AM

BDI wrote: »

You say they are doing the right thing in sacking the manager you want to hire and admire how they are going to hire the manager we sacked a year ago? I’m honestly wondering what’s going on here with this thread.

I dont really believe they sacked him as such, it's not a secret that the relationship between Poch and Levy wasnt great and I think things came ahead recently and Poch had to go. He wasnt sacked because of results, just a falling out.

We say alot about Woodward but working under Levy isnt any picnic

Spurs felt they needed a change of manager and acted fast, fair play to them on their decisiveness. I believe it was stupid to sack Poch but Levy had no choice as such. Hiring Jose on the other hand is madness and will end with tears

Poch has done wonders for Spurs. He really has built a superb foundation at spurs who are constantly getting into CL football and even got to the CL final last season. For a club the stature of Spurs to constantly overachieve says so much for Poch

Imagine Poch at utd with the financial muscle behind me, we could really see utd out of the doldrums

BDI · 20-11-2019 12:44AM

Headshot wrote: »

I dont really believe they sacked him as such, it's not a secret that the relationship between Poch and Levy wasnt great and I think things came ahead recently and Poch had to go. He wasnt sacked because of results, just a falling out.

We say alot about Woodward but working under Levy isnt any picnic

Spurs felt they needed a change of manager and acted fast, fair play to them on their decisiveness. I believe it was stupid to sack Poch but Levy had no choice as such. Hiring Jose on the other hand is madness and will end with tears

Poch has done wonders for Spurs. He really has built a superb foundation at spurs who are constantly getting into CL football and even got to the CL final last season. For a club the stature of Spurs to constantly overachieve says so much for Poch

Imagine Poch at utd with the financial muscle behind me, we could really see utd out of the doldrums

Absolute pony, he got spurs with Harry Kane, Delli Ali, Son, Loris, a few decent full backs, and he has them lower than tenth in the league. Players he brought in in the last year or so have all been middling. Spurs are spurs and will be back sitting around 4-6 even though they have had a spell where they have had the best talent in the team since I can remember and I remember Klinsman sliding about the place.

He has been in a foul humor waiting to be paid off for the last 10 months. He totally believes his own hype. Jose will probably run Liverpool tight with Harry Kane alone this year and then bloat the squad and leave with a couple of trophies in two years. What did poch achieve?
A champions league final where he lost against a serial final loser. He got there with a fair bit of luck and circumstance.
Now he is leaving a team of players who have had enough of him and by reports coming out none of the players will want to work with him again anytime soon.
I’d honestly rather Rodgers. He has turned around and overreached 4 different times off the top of my head with 4 different teams and didn’t leave under a cloud of controversy each time.

All poch has going for him is he looks cool in a polo neck which is a talent in fairness but not something to be basing football decisions on.

Comic Book Guy · 20-11-2019 01:19AM

BDI wrote: »

Absolute pony, he got spurs with Harry Kane, Delli Ali, Son, Loris, a few decent full backs, and he has them lower than tenth in the league. Players he brought in in the last year or so have all been middling. Spurs are spurs and will be back sitting around 4-6 even though they have had a spell where they have had the best talent in the team since I can remember and I remember Klinsman sliding about the place.

He has been in a foul humor waiting to be paid off for the last 10 months. He totally believes his own hype. Jose will probably run Liverpool tight with Harry Kane alone this year and then bloat the squad and leave with a couple of trophies in two years. What did poch achieve?
A champions league final where he lost against a serial final loser. He got there with a fair bit of luck and circumstance.
Now he is leaving a team of players who have had enough of him and by reports coming out none of the players will want to work with him again anytime soon.
I’d honestly rather Rodgers. He has turned around and overreached 4 different times off the top of my head with 4 different teams and didn’t leave under a cloud of controversy each time.

All poch has going for him is he looks cool in a polo neck which is a talent in fairness but not something to be basing football decisions on.

What did Poch achieve??

You said that Spurs currently have the best talent in the team since you can remember. Poch helped put that squad together with a net spend of just over 20m per season in his 5 years at the club. Look at the amount of money Utd have wasted in that time period and the comparative squads now in place.

The players he has signed in the last year or so have been middling? So that would be Ndombele and Sessegnon. Moura was the only player signed in the 2 years prior to this summer.

All he has going for him is he looks cool in a polo neck?! Very good.
4 years of CL football gained for Spurs and a final appearance. Look at where Spurs were and the squad in place when he took the job. Look at the job he did at Southampton but yeah he he never won a trophy at these clubs so the rest of his managerial career is bound to follow suit.

alchemist33 · 20-11-2019 07:45AM

Jose confirmed at Spurs. Fun times ahead.

Cypher_sounds · 20-11-2019 07:57AM

Let the parody begin :pac:

We now know why levy wouldn’t spend much in the last few transfer windows.

Jurgen The German · 20-11-2019 08:01AM

Spurs have a better team than we had when JM took over, be interesting to see what he does with them. He will have to get financial support from Levy.

Trigger · 20-11-2019 08:36AM

I reckon the few players that wanted out of spurs might hang around now too..

I have absolutely no faith in Woodward making any decision on Ole/Poch and we will miss out and when it all goes to ****(and it will) and there is no option but to sack him, Poch will be in a different position, and there will be feck all options of that calibre to bring in.

Depressing times

GSPfan · 20-11-2019 08:36AM

Jose has landed on his feet there hasn’t he. I would fully expect Arsenal to go after Allegri at some stage. Imagine the managerial talent in the Premier League if that happened.

Guardiola
Klopp
Mourinho
Allegri
Solskjaer

20-11-2019 08:47AM

Watch as Jose beats us at OT!

20-11-2019 08:51AM

If Arsenal sack Unai they could ironically come looking for Potch. Wouldn't totally rule it out.

While we continue to piss around with an out of his depth manager

GSPfan · 20-11-2019 09:06AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If Arsenal sack Unai they could ironically come looking for Potch. Wouldn't totally rule it out.

While we continue to piss around with an out of his depth manager

If you think that is a possibility you are mistaken. That’s not going to happen.

20-11-2019 09:07AM

GSPfan wrote: »

If you think that is a possibility you are mistaken. That’s not going to happen.

Why?

GSPfan · 20-11-2019 09:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why?

Tottenham manager going directly to Arsenal...... No chance. I’d say the fan base would riot.

If it was a couple of years and a few jobs in between then there’s a slim chance depending on circumstances but not directly.

LuckyGent88 · 20-11-2019 09:21AM

With Poch sacked and Jose back in the league, the pressure really ramps up on Ole. He knows that any bad spells and United are likely to go get Poch who a lot of the fan base fancy to take over.

Next two games are huge in that aspect. Both winnable games but the Sheffield United one in particular could be a banana skin as they are proving quite difficult to beat.

I still think that no matter who our manager is at the minute, they will inevitably struggle due to our lack of midfield and creative forces.

Kerrydude1981 · 20-11-2019 09:49AM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

With Poch sacked and Jose back in the league, the pressure really ramps up on Ole. He knows that any bad spells and United are likely to go get Poch who a lot of the fan base fancy to take over.

Next two games are huge in that aspect. Both winnable games but the Sheffield United one in particular could be a banana skin as they are proving quite difficult to beat.

I still think that no matter who our manager is at the minute, they will inevitably struggle due to our lack of midfield and creative forces.

I think if Utd manage to get a win on Sunday then they will be doing very well, thats just way the season has gone, six points is a must in the next two games but the inconsistency is ruling the roost

The 4th if December just got interesting

Drumpot · 20-11-2019 09:50AM

Trigger wrote: »

I reckon the few players that wanted out of spurs might hang around now too..

I have absolutely no faith in Woodward making any decision on Ole/Poch and we will miss out and when it all goes to ****(and it will) and there is no option but to sack him, Poch will be in a different position, and there will be feck all options of that calibre to bring in.

Depressing times

Maybe Rio Ferdinand can make players happy again , would be cheap, he’d be popular with fans, doesn’t know what he’s doing so wouldn’t demand big transfer kitty’s and like Ole he’s a mate of most pundits so would get support in the media.... Is probably the kind of succession plan Woodward has for Ole.

Drumpot · 20-11-2019 09:54AM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

I think if Utd manage to get a win on Sunday then they will be doing very well, thats just way the season has gone, six points is a must in the next two games but the inconsistency is ruling the roost

The 4th if December just got interesting

Oles league form for the last 8 months isn’t far off Poch and he got spurs to the CL final aswell which should of bought him some goodwill. Ole has done nothing for it to be suggested it’s anything other then a written off season probably since October. That’s the level of ambition of United v Spurs. I think spurs were sillly to sack Poch but they saw an opportunity (Jose available as things don’t appear to improve) and took it. United now have an opportunity to get a top target for nothing who looked cheap at 50mil in the summer and will probably do nothing as Woodward possibly believes his own Bullsh*t about rebuilds and having a decent transfer window proving he knows what he’s doing.

20-11-2019 10:02AM

Jose will be a happier man as no more hotel stays and sees his family everyday! Interesting times!

dr.kenneth noisewater · 20-11-2019 10:06AM

Ole definetly under more pressure with Poch now available. I think theres a good chance he'll be appointed Bayern manager over the winter break though

20-11-2019 10:07AM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Ole definetly under more pressure with Poch now available. I think theres a good chance he'll be appointed Bayern manager over the winter break though

Absolutely. Some fans hoping he becomes the Utd manager are ignoring how inept the Utd Board are.

Whatsisname · 20-11-2019 10:12AM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Ole definetly under more pressure with Poch now available. I think theres a good chance he'll be appointed Bayern manager over the winter break though

He’d have to start learning German immediately. Pretty sure they only hire German speaking managers.

Cookiemunster · 20-11-2019 10:16AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

He’d have to start learning German immediately. Pretty sure they only hire German speaking managers.

Ancelotti doesn't speak German and they hired him. They prefer German speaking managers, but I doubt it would be a deal breaker.

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely. Some fans hoping he becomes the Utd manager are ignoring how inept the Utd Board are.

And the fact that given a choice of Utd or the likes of Bayern or Madrid, Utd would be a distant second these days.

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