Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

05-11-2019 01:11PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

And the automatic 1/3 remission too

Automatic 1/4. One third is quite rare and is never automatic.

Charles Leclerc · 05-11-2019 01:11PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

The amount of protection those murderers have received is a disgrace. It doesn't matter how old they are....they are murderers pure and simple and should be treated as such.

Their innocent families deserve protection.

05-11-2019 01:14PM

My eldest daughter is 26 and having the time of her life. Ana will never get to experience all the wonderful things my daughter has.

Boy B though - he could be out at 26 and with a new identity could do all the things with his life that my daughter does.

Where’s the justice in that?

05-11-2019 01:14PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Concurrent sentencing is a ****ing joke and needs to be gotten rid of. Consecutive sentencing needs to be be brought in here quickly.

Agreed. Inmates openly mock the system on their way to court saying "they'll get the charge ran in" ie have it dealt with concurrently.

It's basically commit one crime, get the next one free. Sure you might as well.

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 01:14PM

They're far worse than just murderers - there are plenty of "valid" reasons for killing someone, they didn't have one, they just done it for kicks.

These pair are just dangerous psychotic scum, they should never see the light of day as far as i'm concerned. They aren't fixable and their rights should be the very bottom of the priority list - societies right to be protected from them should be top.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:15PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

The amount of protection those murderers have received is a disgrace. It doesn't matter how old they are....they are murderers pure and simple and should be treated as such.

i agree. they have shown little or no remorse, and as such deserve no special treatment or protection.

not only are they murderers but they are child-murderers.
Ana was only 14.

retro:electro · 05-11-2019 01:16PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.

I’m sorry but Ana was also a minor. And where was the protection for her dignity and private information when the most descriptive and depraved details of her last moments of life were blasted across the nation for weeks. Let’s not forget who was on trial here, and it was not Ana. Where were her rights to privacy? Oh that’s right, they cease to exist once she’s no longer alive, through no fault of her own. Yet the evil little shlts who are responsible for taking it get treated with kid gloves for the remainder of theirs.

I can get on board with anonymity until release, but I just cannot accept that they have the luxury of starting afresh and forming relationships with people who should have the benefit of knowing who they are. My only hope is that in the interim years there will be some law that’s capable of challenging this decision that only seeks to protect the perpetrator.

radiotrickster · 05-11-2019 01:18PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

My eldest daughter is 26 and having the time of her life. Ana will never get to experience all the wonderful things my daughter has.

Boy B though - he could be out at 26 and with a new identity could do all the things with his life that my daughter does.

Where’s the justice in that?

I’m in my 20s and thought the exact same thing. Only saving grace is that it’ll be tough when he gets out to explain the gaps in his CV and education. They can do a Leaving Cert in Oberstown (not sure what school he can write on his CV to say he attended) but if he does the Leaving at 18, he’ll have a six year gap and a criminal record. It won’t be easy unless his family are very supportive in getting him back on his feet.

Gadgetman496 · 05-11-2019 01:18PM

The murder of Ana Kriégel - how the case was solved.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1105/1088782-ana-kriegel/

BarryD2 · 05-11-2019 01:19PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Their innocent families deserve protection.

Why? People & families are routinely named in court case reports up and down the country. Why should these convicted prisoners and their families be afforded protection from identification into the future? Why is it good enough normally but not here?

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 01:21PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I can get on board with anonymity until release, but I just cannot accept that they have the luxury of starting afresh and forming relationships with people who should have the benefit of knowing who they are. My only hope is that in the interim years there will be some law that’s capable of challenging this decision that only seeks to protect the perpetrator.

I'm all in favour of anonymity while the case is in progress, but once they are found guilty that should be all out the window. Why should this pair of sickos get to hide from their deeds, fúck them. There was no anonymity for Ana, or for her family. They are the important ones here.

Sharp MZ700 · 05-11-2019 01:22PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Their innocent families deserve protection.

My innocent daughter deserves protection too.

Marty Xavier · 05-11-2019 01:22PM

Yes you are right to feel outrage but that is the way it goes. These killers have wrecked not only Ana's life but their own and their families too.
I believe their identities leaked at some stage so I would imagine that their families are already pariahs locally.
This case is terrible and I feel so badly for Ana's parents and struggle to think about what she went through.
I have no idea the pain that was caused but know that as a parent it must be devastating.
The use of video games here and the easy access to pornograhy at a young age is certainly a contributing factor IMO.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:23PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m sorry but Ana was also a minor. And where was the protection for her dignity and private information when the most descriptive and depraved details of her last moments of life were blasted across the nation for weeks. Let’s not forget who was on trial here, and it was not Ana. Where were her rights to privacy? Oh that’s right, they cease to exist once she’s no longer alive, through no fault of her own. Yet the evil little shlts who are responsible for taking it get treated with kid gloves for the remainder of theirs.

I can get on board with anonymity until release, but I just cannot accept that they have the luxury of starting afresh and forming relationships with people who should have the benefit of knowing who they are. My only hope is that in the interim years there will be some law that’s capable of challenging this decision that only seeks to protect the perpetrator.

the UK (if the Tories are re-elected that is) are about to introduce some pretty serious sentencing for killers of children. i really hope we follow their example.

it's one thing killing someone in a fit of drug/drink feuled rage on a Sat night, or a gangland hit over drugs or money, but this murder was on a whole different level. cold, calculating, calice, carried out with a degree of satisfaction, almost pleasure.

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 01:23PM

radiotrickster wrote: »

I’m in my 20s and thought the exact same thing. Only saving grace is that it’ll be tough when he gets out to explain the gaps in his CV and education. They can do a Leaving Cert in Oberstown (not sure what school he can write on his CV to say he attended) but if he does the Leaving at 18, he’ll have a six year gap and a criminal record. It won’t be easy unless his family are very supportive in getting him back on his feet.

Do you not think that, you know, what with being a psychotic little cúnt and all, he'd probably just tell a porkie pie or two?

05-11-2019 01:24PM

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

are all murderers families thus protected?

whats the justification for this exception

jammiedodgers · 05-11-2019 01:25PM

The real sentence here should have been that they are named once they turn 18. They should have no opportunity to have a normal life after what they have done.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:27PM

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

My innocent daughter deserves protection too.

clearly there was something awry either in these killers genetics or upbringing, or perhaps both.
i wouldn't want their families moving into my local area. i have a young daughter also.

TheMilkyPirate · 05-11-2019 01:27PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

The use of video games here and the easy access to pornograhy at a young age is certainly a contributing factor IMO.

Video games? Are you actually serious you absolute clown. I and and millions of others have played video games our whole lives and we're not out murdering people.

RickBlaine · 05-11-2019 01:28PM

There is a big issue I have with anonymity especially were Boy A is concerned.

His semen was found on her body. It is possible that was his first sexual experience with a girl. He'll be locked up at an age where most teenage boys become sexually active and also for a majority (if not all) of his 20s.

So imagine a guy around 30, whose last (and possibly only) sexual experience with a girl was where he killed her in his early teens. He'll have always associated sex with violence since the formative years of his early teens.

This person is now free to meet and date woman who'll have no idea about this.

He'll no doubt receive therapy in prison but I'd be concerned about his attitude towards women, sex and violence as an adult.

Kauto0709 · 05-11-2019 01:28PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Their innocent families deserve protection.

Innocent families?? They raised those scumbags!

TheMilkyPirate · 05-11-2019 01:29PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

Innocent families?? They raised those scumbags!

Are you saying their families purposefully raised their children to be murderers?

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 01:33PM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Are you saying their families purposefully raised their children to be murderers?

If you think the family should be protected, then can you give us your view on why Graham Dwyer's family not afforded the same protection given that they also raised him? Should they have been afforded the same protection? If not, why not?

Charles Leclerc · 05-11-2019 01:33PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

Innocent families?? They raised those scumbags!

And this post proves in no uncertain terms why these lads weren't named.

Unbelievable.

Marty Xavier · 05-11-2019 01:34PM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Video games? Are you actually serious you absolute clown. I and and millions of others have played video games our whole lives and we're not out murdering people.

How dare you call me a clown, do some research on the case and you will see that there is a point to my argument, i mentioned video games and easy access to porn. I will present some facts from around the case to support this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-jury-not-told-of-porn-found-on-boy-a-s-phone-1.3929624

Kauto0709 · 05-11-2019 01:37PM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Are you saying their families purposefully raised their children to be murderers?

No but I'm saying they obviously didn't raise them very well if they think it's ok to murder a young girl in cold blood for the craic!

TheMilkyPirate · 05-11-2019 01:38PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

How dare you call me a clown, do some research on the case and you will see that there is a point to my argument. I will present some facts from the case to support this.

You are a clown. You're an absolute idiot in fact if you believe video games had anything to do with this or any other murder. Some people are evil some of those evil people also happen to play video games. Some of them also happen to play the piano play volleyball but that's not what makes them murderers.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 01:39PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.

Talking out your hole dude. They could have been named at 18 at the discretion of the judge. There is no law that adults cannot be named. If you think it exists, given you are a legal expert advising others to educate themselves on the law, you can feel free to point us to the specific legislation.

tigger123 · 05-11-2019 01:40PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

How dare you call me a clown, do some research on the case and you will see that there is a point to my argument. I will present some facts from the case to support this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-jury-not-told-of-porn-found-on-boy-a-s-phone-1.3929624

There's hundreds of millions of people playing video games every day that don't do things like Boy A did. I'd stroingly suspect if he didn't play video games, he still would have done what he did.

I'm sure Boy A also ate breakfast cereal that morning. Should we also ban breakfast cereal?

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:40PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

How dare you call me a clown, do some research on the case and you will see that there is a point to my argument. I will present some facts from the case to support this.

i do not think video games or porn per se will cause an otherwise balanced individual to commit such a heinous crime. otherwise half of the pop would be either a killer or be dead.

a killer is a killer. they existed long before the digital age.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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