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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #6212
    manbitesdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭manbitesdog


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.

    I *think* the review is intended to revisit the original sentence and could revise it.


  • #6213
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    That's just bullshit trying to convince yourself you know more than you do. Educate yourself more like

    They can't be named because the judge decided so. It was in his ability to allow them to be named now or at 18. He chose it. It's not an actual law.
    Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.


  • #6214
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.

    But what does license mean?


  • #6215
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed
    The fact that BOy B still proclaims his innocence could have something to do with it.


  • #6216
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed

    he was convicted of murder. he's lucky to get 15


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  • #6217
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.


    Where were Ana's rights?

    Would you not agree that our sentencing is not fir for purpose when it comes to such cases?


  • #6218
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    But what does license mean?

    if you get into further trouble after release you can be put back in prison


  • #6219
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.

    I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?


  • #6220
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Are these scumbags entitled to remission for good behaviour? Do they get that for murder?


  • #6221
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    It's ironic that the ones who bray most loudly for the perpetrators to be named are also the ones who who ensure such a requirement is warranted.


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  • #6222
    White lighting
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭White lighting


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Are these scumbags entitled to remission for good behaviour? Do they get that for murder?


    No, not on a life sentence for boy A. He will serve minimum 12.

    Boy B may get remission after his 8 year review if he isnt released after the 8 years


  • #6223
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Where were Ana's rights?

    Would you not agree that our sentencing is not fir for purpose when it comes to such cases?

    Ana's family are not at risk of retribution.

    I think today's outcome was satisfactory, to be honest. I expected a lot worse, especially in the case of Boy B. Shocked at his sentence, didn't think he'd get more than 10.

    Yesterdays case of the boy who attempted to murder a woman and got 11 years, reviewed after 5. Now that's an national outrage. This lad is a proven psychopath. This case didn't get 5% of the coverage of Ana's case so it went pretty much unnoticed.

    The media influence on this country's thinking is massive.


  • #6224
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Riskymove wrote: »
    if you get into further trouble after release you can be put back in prison

    Is that it?

    So you can head to the pub whenever you want, go to the shops, browse the internet to your hearts content. Get a job, start a family under a new name so they don’t even have to know who you really are?

    Licence means normal life if that’s the case.


  • #6225
    White lighting
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭White lighting


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Is that it?

    So you can head to the pub whenever you want, go to the shops, browse the internet to your hearts content. Get a job, start a family under a new name so they don’t even have to know who you really are?

    Licence means normal life if that’s the case.


    There are also certain condition you have to abide by.


  • #6226
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    will they serve this time in a proper prison, or in some quasi-secure child minding facility?


  • #6227
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?

    That's when you are convicted of the crime when you are an adult. In reality life for people who commit crimes when they are underage tends to be a lot less.


  • #6228
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    will they serve this time in a proper prison, or in some quasi-secure child minding facility?

    they will move to an adult prison at 18


  • #6229
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,803 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1105/1088699-kriegel-sentencing/
    But he said sentences must be proportionate not only to the crime but to the offender. Children must be treated differently from adults, he said, and age was a substantial mitigating factor.

    I don't believe this myself in relation to crimes of such seriousness, lesser crimes I'd agree with, not all though. I think those involved in knives crime in London or anywhere for example should be treated like adults. The priority should never be rehabilitation but protecting the public now and into the future.


  • #6230
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    White lighting wrote: »
    There are also certain condition you have to abide by.

    What are the conditions?


  • #6231
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,760 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    will they serve this time in a proper prison, or in some quasi-secure child minding facility?

    Presumably they'll be in an underage facility until they are of age.


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  • #6232
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?


    You're confusing the sentence with the time physically served in prison


  • #6233
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    You're confusing the sentence with the time physically served in prison

    Crazy world that they are different.


  • #6234
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed

    I don't think he has any case to appeal, he was integral to the planning of the murder and lured her to boy A knowing what was in store for her, he may not have been physically involved in the moments of her assault and death but without him it wouldn't have happened. On top of all that he did not cooperate with the investigation and lied and covered up throughout.


  • #6235
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    definitely one of the most shocking, (if not the most) murders in our history.
    on a par with the Jamie Bolger case imo.
    that poor girl. RIP


  • #6236
    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    mloc123 wrote: »
    What is a "life" sentence in this case?

    Average 18 years. Not taking into account day releases prior to final release.


  • #6237
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Reviewed after 8 so he could possibly be out then?

    Why can’t they say ****ing 15 and mean 15! This review **** boils my blood.

    There's automatic remission in this country. Anytime anyone gets 4 years, it's really 3 that they serve. 10 years is 7.5 years etc.

    As for fuming over "only 12 years" "12 ffs", well it's 12 until a review. Ordinarily it's 7 for a review. So it's an increase on the norm.

    I think the Judge has done well here.


  • #6238
    Kauto0709
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Kauto0709


    The amount of protection those murderers have received is a disgrace. It doesn't matter how old they are....they are murderers pure and simple and should be treated as such.


  • #6239
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?

    The judge said that the average time served for an adult sentenced to life is 18 years


  • #6240
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Concurrent sentences should only be allowed if a full confession is provided and the victims family agree IMO...makes a mockery of any sense of justice


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  • #6241
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    RoryMac wrote: »
    The judge said that the average time served for an adult sentenced to life is 18 years

    but each case is individual, there are people in jail over 30 years


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