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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #6182
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?

    DPP can but won’t as it’s all rotten to the core. Public pressure might help as an election is coming up. That’s all theses people care about, feathering their own nest. To think that they’ll be out going about their lives again in their 20s. This country is absolutely rotten to the core.


  • #6183
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    Surely the principle behind criminal cases taken by the state is that they are conducted on behalf of the public? To determine guilt or otherwise, give appropriate sanction and to protect the public.

    How is it useful to the public, if their identities are protected into the future? That's not serving the public interest.


  • #6184
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    Well institutionalized after 10yrs sentence esp when begun in early teenage yrs. Don't interpret that I have remorse for them, both should never be free again for the enormity of the crime they did.



    And a gravy train for the free legal aiders.


  • #6185
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191696189139431425




    Thanks to Michael O'Toole for all the updates.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #6186
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Boy A sentenced to life, Boy B sentenced to 15 years

    :(


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  • #6187
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Orla O'Donnell saying sentence for sexual assault was 8 not 12?


  • #6188
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    my only complaint with the sentencing would be that Boy B was convicted of murder and only received 4 years longer than that boy in Dun Laoghaire got for attempted murder.


  • #6189
    DelBoy Trotter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭DelBoy Trotter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    this is a very interesting decision, probably worthy of its own discussion.

    it'll be very difficult to keep the names out of wide circulation, whether or not the media are prohibited

    rightly so imo. convicted killers should have no right to anonymity
    BarryD2 wrote: »
    The courts protecting identities of convicted murderers indefinitely? Where have we gone wrong? I can understand to some extent anonymity for minors, though given severity of this crime, not quite convinced in this case. But absolutely not when they adults.

    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families


  • #6190
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    They should be named when they are released. They will be well into adulthood then and no longer minors. I do not understand how on the one hand the judge can describe them both as highly deceptive and skilled, a danger to society and lacking in mental illness and still insist they are never to be named and have anonymous protection for life? What about the protection of society who deserve to be aware when they’re in the same vicinity as these beasts. It’s not good enough.


  • #6191
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    We all know what life sentences and prison time in Ireland means from past experiences and examples that have been set.

    I don't blame the Judge necessarily. His hands are probably tied in terms of sentencing.

    But the whole justice system is broken and I have no confidence in it. We should have a sentence for life without any sort of parole. Legislation should be introduced for this IMO.


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  • #6192
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Surely the principle behind criminal cases taken by the state is that they are conducted on behalf of the public? To determine guilt or otherwise, give appropriate sanction and to protect the public.

    How is it useful to the public, if their identities are protected into the future? That's not serving the public interest.
    They boys will do their time handed down by the judge on behalf of the state. Naming these two will cause public outrage and their innocent families will be targeted. They don't deserve that.


  • #6193
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191696189139431425




    Thanks to Michael O'Toole for all the updates.

    Thanks to both of you.


  • #6194
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191696189139431425




    Thanks to Michael O'Toole for all the updates.

    Thanks to both of you.


  • #6195
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

    Everyone locally or in Ireland who has an Internet connection know who the families and boys are.

    Ana has no rights anymore.

    These boys do.

    That's wrong.


  • #6196
    manbitesdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭manbitesdog


    Kamili wrote: »
    my point being that a sex offender must be on the register and a murderer not - how is that right?

    An adult murderer gets an automatic life sentence so there would be some means of keeping tabs on them post release anyhow, and no need for a specific register for murderers.


  • #6197
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

    The local (& sometimes national) newspapers have regular reports from the courts, where people are named in all manner of cases. These may or may not reflect on families concerned. Why is that good enough for the majority of cases where people are publicly prosecuted and not in this instance? Double standards, influence?


  • #6198
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

    Well the families are sticking by their two little murderers aren't they?

    Can you imagine christmas dinner at boy a's house in 10 years.

    'wow this present is very well wrapped, duct tape and all? thanks boy a'

    'no problem, oh hand on a second someones at the door'


  • #6199
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Everyone locally or in Ireland who has an Internet connection know who the families and boys are.

    Ana has no rights anymore.

    These boys do.

    That's wrong.
    I spend a significant amount of time on the internet and have followed this case closely and I've no idea of these lads names. Again, more rhetoric from you. The vast majority of this country don't know these lads names.

    Stop posting untruths.


  • #6200
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,637 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    my only complaint with the sentencing would be that Boy B was convicted of murder and only received 4 years longer than that boy in Dun Laoghaire got for attempted murder.

    Obviously the kid in DL is very different circumstances. The chances are he'll be transferred to Central Mental Hospital when he's 18 and be effectively serving a life sentence in there. An incredibly tragic case altogether.


  • #6201
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?
    Leniency? They got pretty much the max allowable under law.


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  • #6202
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    They boys will do their time handed down by the judge on behalf of the state. Naming these two will cause public outrage and their innocent families will be targeted. They don't deserve that.

    How are things up there on your high horse?


  • #6203
    TallGlass2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭TallGlass2


    What a sick and twisted pair of ****s.

    Courts falling over themselves protecting this pair, they don't deserve it and they don't deserve any sort of review either.

    As a society we need to review our justice system, do we want a system that gives more respect to the perpetrators or more respect to the victims of crime. I want the latter, if it means more paying more tax to have these two locked up for the rest of their days then I am all for it.


  • #6204
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Everyone locally or in Ireland who has an Internet connection know who the families and boys are.

    Ana has no rights anymore.

    These boys do.

    That's wrong.

    The anonymity is really more about the (innocent) relatives of the boys than the boys themselves.


  • #6205
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    What is a "life" sentence in this case?


  • #6206
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    No, they do not. Educate yourself on our laws.

    That's just bullshit trying to convince yourself you know more than you do. Educate yourself more like

    They can't be named because the judge decided so. It was in his ability to allow them to be named now or at 18. He chose it. It's not an actual law.


  • #6207
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Imagine people being outraged by a teenager getting sexually assaulted and murdered. Then getting outraged about our joke of a justice system and sentencing.

    Shame on us.


  • #6208
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    riemann wrote: »
    How are things up there on your high horse?
    No high horse here.

    While our sentences are lenient in this country, thankfully our laws go some way to protect innocent people from further distress.


  • #6209
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    mloc123 wrote: »
    What is a "life" sentence in this case?
    anything from a minimum of 12 years up to until the day he dies.


  • #6210
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed


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  • #6211
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    mloc123 wrote: »
    What is a "life" sentence in this case?


    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.


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