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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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  • #6152
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Joke of a sentence for both of them, neither should be seeing the light of day again. It's Ireland though so was to be expected really, farcical that you can commit such a horrific murder and probably be out in less than ten.

    Boy A's detention is to be reviewed after 12 years :confused:


  • #6153
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    One life ended.

    3 families ruined (forever, dare I say it).

    2 anonymous gentlemen off on a couple of years holiday happy in the knowledge they can pick up where they left off as nobody will be any the wiser.

    I don't care if these two pricks turn their lives around and end up brain surgeons, they should have seen the death penalty.

    Over 7 billion people in the world, we should have some standards.


  • #6154
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Well at least that would be something. The public should have every right to know who these convicted murderers are and if/ when they are released, where they reside.
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.


  • #6155
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Boy A's detention is to be reviewed after 12 years :confused:

    I would take it to mean that he has to do a minimum of 12 years and after that they will decide whether to let him out or to keep him imprisoned for another while.


  • #6156
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191693563798675456

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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  • #6157
    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    No point complaining about the judge. The system needs to be re-ordered so that judges must start with higher tariffs before they can order review. In 12 and 8 years time the reviews will probably just slip under the radar, which is a deliberate part of the current system. Will we change the system by making it an election issue? We all know the answer.


  • #6158
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    The public have every right to this information.


  • #6159
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    dzilla wrote: »
    Whats difference between sentenced and detained?
    Detained applic for minor


  • #6160
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Kamili


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    yet we have a sex offenders register - but no right to know if the person next door was a murderer or not.
    :rolleyes:


  • #6161
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Judge prohibited identification even after 18

    The courts protecting identities of convicted murderers indefinitely? Where have we gone wrong? I can understand to some extent anonymity for minors, though given severity of this crime, not quite convinced in this case. But absolutely not when they adults.


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  • #6162
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Will he be named "Boy A" on the sex offenders’ register (Which doesn't really exist here)

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #6163
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    Shambolic sentence but was to be expected. I actually thought it would be less knowing our horribly corrupt judicial system. This is now 100 proof that justice does not exist in Ireland.


  • #6164
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191693563798675456
    Was wondering about this, which is most important for Gardai to keep tabs on him if the beast ever sees freedom.


  • #6165
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?


  • #6166
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    riemann wrote: »
    Can someone PM me these little runts names?

    Just so if my daughter brings one of them home in the future I'll be able to give her a heads up

    "Oh by the was bucko there raped and murdered a 14 year old girl when he was a young lad, hes sound now though"

    They'll have different names when they are released.


  • #6167
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    It's really not, people think that because they find it so unbelievable that two minors committed it.
    There's terrible murders every week in Ireland

    I'd be of the opinion that it was the victim who was a minor that makes it a worse crime.


  • #6168
    manbitesdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭manbitesdog


    Kamili wrote: »
    yet we have a sex offenders register - but no right to know if the person next door was a murderer or not.
    :rolleyes:

    It’s not a public register afaik. Just for the authorities.


  • #6169
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?

    how is a life sentence lenient?


  • #6170
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    To think that these two could pick up where they left off in their mid twenties and start dating some poor, non the wiser young girl is just terrifying. They still have their whole lives to live at that age.


  • #6171
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    I think the poster wants to know if there is a murderer motivated by rape and sexual assault living next door to him. Not what they had for Breakfast.

    Fair enough really.

    I presume you would have no issue with them rocking up and living beside you?


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  • #6172
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    Kamili wrote: »
    yet we have a sex offenders register - but no right to know if the person next door was a murderer or not.
    :rolleyes:
    You have no access to the sex offenders register, thankfully.


  • #6173
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I would take it to mean that he has to do a minimum of 12 years and after that they will decide whether to let him out or to keep him imprisoned for another while.

    Yes I know, but the other poster is guessing they'll be out in less than 10. How could they be out in less than 10 if it's not going to be reviewed until 12 years have been served.


  • #6174
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    Cool virtue signaling dude


  • #6175
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Kamili


    manbitesdog wrote: »
    It’s not a public register afaik. Just for the authorities.

    my point being that a sex offender must be on the register and a murderer not - how is that right?


  • #6176
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    how is a life sentence lenient?

    A life sentence Irish style is lenient. We all know it.

    We well get the pedantic posters saying that we have no idea when these monsters will be released but we all know if will be before they are 30. That's how Irish justice works / malfunctions.


  • #6177
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Seems like the Judge got the sentences right.

    No doubt the usual mouth-breathers won't agree.

    I'm sure they'll enjoy whipping themselves into a self-righteous froth on behalf of the poor girl's parents - they really have been amazingly dignified throughout this horrendous ordeal.


  • #6178
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    how is a life sentence lenient?

    Because everyone is reading the lowest figure and getting mad about that, no matter what happened people were set for outrage.


  • #6179
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    The public have every right to this information.
    No, they do not. Educate yourself on our laws.


  • #6180
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    riemann wrote: »
    One life ended.

    3 families ruined (forever, dare I say it).

    2 anonymous gentlemen off on a couple of years holiday happy in the knowledge they can pick up where they left off as nobody will be any the wiser.

    I don't care if these two pricks turn their lives around and end up brain surgeons, they should have seen the death penalty.

    Over 7 billion people in the world, we should have some standards.


    Well institutionalized after 10yrs sentence esp when begun in early teenage yrs. Don't interpret that I have remorse for them, both should never be free again for the enormity of the crime they did.


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  • #6181
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Guarantee that will be appealed
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