Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Suckit wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/graham-dwyer-trial/as-a-child-graham-dwyer-pushed-boyhood-pal-off-roof-31335143.html


I would have thought Graham Dwyers fantasies came later in life after he had been sexually active for a while, but that story seems to say different.

Which is why it's a mistake to dismiss wanton cruelty by children or teens as being part of normal experimentation.

Road-Hog wrote: »

How many other graham dwyers are there floating around in society...? Potentially 100’s...?

No idea. Point is, if they were identified and given psychological help much earlier, a number of tragedies might be avoided. Just lumping it all together as "kids experimenting" when some of it is much more sinister prevents that happening IMO.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Just to be clear, there are many people involved in the BSDM/fetish scene, possibly what you're describing as 'extremely deviant/perverted/sicko' who are much more concerned about the importance of consent than the average couple hooking up in Coppers on a Saturday night. It is possible to be extremely deviant/perverted/sicko and extremely legal.



Given that there aren't 100's of women being killed each year, probably very, very few.

I realise you're limiting your definition to BDSM-type killings, and since this is in a thread about a different kind of murder, I think it should really cover all the forms of sexual and "intimate partner" killings of women and girls by men.

Ireland's a small country, so there won't be hundreds either, but these men don't kill a woman every year, so there are probably more than a handful. I saw a report on (I think) the BBC about a family trying to get a murder accusation against the ex partner of their daughter who died during what he describes as consensual rough sex, and their problem is that a significant number of men get way every year with "accidentally" killing a woman during what they then describe as consensual sex. Their laws said there is not such thing as consent to be harmed, and yet the DPP just refuse to take these cases to court at all, to test whether the woman actually consented to any degree of harm at all.

Add that to the number of women killed by partners or ex partners during a row or whatever (over a hundred every year in England alone) and there are a lot of men being violent to women, and often getting away with it. Even though it's still only a small minority of all men.

(Before I get accused of being anti-man, I'm really not. It's a specific issue to my mind, not a general one. It always surprises me to hear men get so defensive over other men being violent to women. If they aren't violent themselves, why should they feel any need to defend these men at all? That seems to me to be exact.y what those relatively few violent men want - to make out that it's just "something that men do", when it's not.)

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I wasn't really limiting it to BSDM in my mind, but was more thinking about the kind of violent, possibly serial killings that we've seen in the Leinster region.


I wasn't thinking about family/partner situations, which while no less serious or important, are a different area really.

Well, you mentioned BDSM in the same post, and you were talking about Graham Dwyer, so you know, seems kind of hard to avoid that.

The point being whether boys like A and B could eventually become either Graham Dwyer types if they weren't caught first, or indeed the sort of serial killers you are referring to.

In the absence of definitive evidence to the contrary, I'd be inclined to take a wider view of it, because one of the few things we do know about them is that there is a common aspect of male perpetrators and female victims.

yeah 11 years for attempted murder by a 15 year old sets a promising precedent

Id vote yes to bring back the death penalty for such crimes.

Has Aaron Connolly been sentenced for the murder of Cameron Reilly yet?
That was around the same time, and he was 17 I think when he murdered him. Another scumbag.

tuxy wrote: »

I'd still vote no because even on a case by case basis mistakes are made.
While it may make me feel better on crimes that make me very angry as a whole it would not benefit society.

And I would vote "NO" for the death penalty too, although at time's when I hear of a particularly bad murder / attack etc, my first response would be to "Bring back the Rope " but that would be a knee jerk response at the time.

Road-Hog wrote: »

Graham Dwyer obviously got through school and a significant part of his adult life ‘appearing normal’ to most of his peers apart from being narcissistic and obsessed with status. He was able to hide his extremely deviant/perverted/sicko side very well and but for some rare weather events and diligent police/dectective work would probably still be amongst us.

There are many people bisexual or even gay and hide this for the whole of their straight married life. Many of these cruise gay cruising parks for to meet same-sex for sex or use out of town business meeting opportuning it to visit gay bars & clubs.

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191674027204653056

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191674962836381696

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Is it allowed to tweet from court?

The case is over (they have already been convicted) so the tweets can't have any influence on the jury or judge so I'd guess it's fine.

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191677680044908545