The Strike is over. What happens now?

MIKEKC · 29-10-2019 05:47PM

wrangler wrote: »

Processors will now make farmers pay for the protests, I see on the Indo that instead of penalising heavy cattle they are now just not buying them

A quote from one of my posts ''they are our customers'' we should remember that

Farmers paying again this week .ABP Cahir not killing any over 30 months this week.

wrangler · 29-10-2019 05:54PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Farmers paying again this week .ABP Cahir not killing any over 30 months this week.

I wonder how many at the gates are affected by any of this

MIKEKC · 29-10-2019 06:00PM

wrangler wrote: »

I wonder how many at the gates are affected by any of this

Didn't attend the protest but from what I'm told very few . A couple of politicians and mostly non locals.

wrangler · 29-10-2019 06:36PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Didn't attend the protest but from what I'm told very few . A couple of politicians and mostly non locals.

To quote a poster on here ' a Cluster****'

Bass Reeves · 29-10-2019 06:50PM

wrangler wrote: »

Processors will now make farmers pay for the protests, I see on the Indo that instead of penalising heavy cattle they are now just not buying them

A quote from one of my posts ''they are our customers'' we should remember that

As if they wouldn't if there was no pickets. Only difference the base would be 20-30c/kg lower

wrangler · 29-10-2019 07:03PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As if they wouldn't if there was no pickets. Only difference the base would be 20-30c/kg lower

Maybe, but now they're just not buying lesser value out of spec cattle..... which is better.
It's alright setting a price but processors don't have to buy the ones that aren't worth it

MIKEKC · 29-10-2019 07:09PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As if they wouldn't if there was no pickets. Only difference the base would be 20-30c/kg lower

Have you evidence of this?

amacca · 29-10-2019 08:14PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Have you evidence of this?

Id be tempted to believe it without evidence tbh

Given the way they seem to operate

ruwithme · 29-10-2019 08:22PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Have you evidence of this?

Off course he hasn't. more figures. god only knows where he gets them.(i doubt god wants to know either) well done blockaders.

duffysfarm · 29-10-2019 08:38PM

neighbour of my fathers works for goodman on his farm. was telling my father that they have room for 3,000 cattle but have 40 at the minute. why would larry bother feeding the cattle when the farmers will do that for him?
all the workers getting worried that they are for the chop any day now!

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was talking to a guy yesterday, who said that Larry's feedlots were not buying at the moment. I guess why buy stores and feed them, when you can buy them cheaper finished. He also said that Rathdowney were no longer killing cows, only in-spec cattle.

MIKEKC · 29-10-2019 08:45PM

ruwithme wrote: »

Off course he hasn't. more figures. god only knows where he gets them.(i doubt god wants to know either) well done blockaders.

Well done for creating a backlog of a reported 100.000 cattle. ABP Cahir not killing any over 30 month this week. Well done blockaders, what a wonderful outcome

memorystick · 29-10-2019 11:14PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Well done for creating a backlog of a reported 100.000 cattle. ABP Cahir not killing any over 30 month this week. Well done blockaders, what a wonderful outcome

Are the factories not just acting the fûçk again?

Bass Reeves · 29-10-2019 11:53PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Have you evidence of this?

ruwithme wrote: »

Off course he hasn't. more figures. god only knows where he gets them.(i doubt god wants to know either) well done blockaders.

Processors were by all the commentary intent on taking prices down to as near as 3/kg as they could. Even after the first strike ended they again tried to pull cattle to 3.4/kg. This is not me making up figures it what f@@king happened but there are some lads still in denial. They are blaming there own greed for suffering more than ordinary farmers now. Because ordinary farmers that were not getting the bit extra are all better off than if the strike did not happen.

But remember this when you go out looking for stores in 2-3 years time and there in none it because store and calf men cannot be expected to should all the losses. They are exiting the business slowly and are not being replaced. In 5-6 years time if you are getting up at 6-7 in the morning to feed you calves remember that. Present prices are below the cost of production and lads will walk away.

wrangler · 30-10-2019 07:44AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Processors were by all the commentary intent on taking prices down to as near as 3/kg as they could. Even after the first strike ended they again tried to pull cattle to 3.4/kg. This is not me making up figures it what f@@king happened but there are some lads still in denial. They are blaming there own greed for suffering more than ordinary farmers now. Because ordinary farmers that were not getting the bit extra are all better off than if the strike did not happen.

But remember this when you go out looking for stores in 2-3 years time and there in none it because store and calf men cannot be expected to should all the losses. They are exiting the business slowly and are not being replaced. In 5-6 years time if you are getting up at 6-7 in the morning to feed you calves remember that. Present prices are below the cost of production and lads will walk away.

There was never any hope of a price rise that would justify the damage they have done to the beef trade, the whinge now is that IFA didn't follow them.......... into the same black hole

jaymla627 · 30-10-2019 08:18AM

wrangler wrote: »

There was never any hope of a price rise that would justify the damage they have done to the beef trade, the whinge now is that IFA didn't follow them.......... into the same black hole

Never before seen world protein meat shortage going to envelope the world in 2020 into 2021 and you still reckon the factories are under pressure and out of a compliment taking beef in of lads for slaughter that they will have trouble shifting and basically have to give away, will you ever wake up

Bass Reeves · 30-10-2019 08:43AM

wrangler wrote: »

There was never any hope of a price rise that would justify the damage they have done to the beef trade, the whinge now is that IFA didn't follow them.......... into the same black hole

The IFA did folllow them. You have Angus Woods not wanting to split into two beef committees one for finishers and one for suckler/store men. He sees that the IFA is has lost the support of a huge swathe of drystock farmers.

A few years ago the IFA could have depended on the support of 100K+ farmers.

Now has it the support 10K of the 18K dairy farmers, 2-3K finishers and a handfull of tillage, poultry and pig farmers. Maybe 20K in total. Woods see that if it wants to hold attention as a representive body it needs the mass of numbers behind it.

patsy_mccabe · 30-10-2019 09:22AM

Would anyone care to show evidence of the 'Damage' done by the protests? Whatever form that takes.

Bass Reeves · 30-10-2019 09:37AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Would anyone care to show evidence of the 'Damage' done by the protests? Whatever form that takes.

The boys lost there 20c/kg advantage over the rest of us

Siamsa Sessions · 30-10-2019 09:46AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The IFA did folllow them. You have Angus Woods not wanting to split into two beef committees one for finishers and one for suckler/store men. He sees that the IFA is has lost the support of a huge swathe of drystock farmers.

A few years ago the IFA could have depended on the support of 100K+ farmers.

Now has it the support 10K of the 18K dairy farmers, 2-3K finishers and a handfull of tillage, poultry and pig farmers. Maybe 20K in total. Woods see that if it wants to hold attention as a representive body it needs the mass of numbers behind it.

It was Tim Cullinan pushing the two new committees in Waterford on Monday night. One of the current livestock committee members was in the crowd and he was against the idea, citing the great work they were doing, how well they got on, etc.

wrangler · 30-10-2019 10:34AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The IFA did folllow them. You have Angus Woods not wanting to split into two beef committees one for finishers and one for suckler/store men. He sees that the IFA is has lost the support of a huge swathe of drystock farmers.

A few years ago the IFA could have depended on the support of 100K+ farmers.

Now has it the support 10K of the 18K dairy farmers, 2-3K finishers and a handfull of tillage, poultry and pig farmers. Maybe 20K in total. Woods see that if it wants to hold attention as a representive body it needs the mass of numbers behind it.

It's a long time since IFA could depend on help from more than 10 -20 % of farmers ....... you obviously never bothered helping to fill buses for protests in the last twenty years.
Farmers played a big part too in their own demise, Happy to stand back and let a few others do the work, you referred to muppets, incidentally that was a sad comment too referring to IFA as muppets

Muckit · 30-10-2019 11:14AM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Well done for creating a backlog of a reported 100.000 cattle. ABP Cahir not killing any over 30 month this week. Well done blockaders, what a wonderful outcome

I could be way off, but I'm getting a hint of sarcasm!

duffysfarm · 30-10-2019 01:17PM

you have to be taking the p**s

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Would anyone care to show evidence of the 'Damage' done by the protests? Whatever form that takes.

Dinzee Conlee · 30-10-2019 01:58PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Would anyone care to show evidence of the 'Damage' done by the protests? Whatever form that takes.

ha ha Patsy, the devil in me made me ask "Can you show us evidence of the good done by the protests?"

Base price · 30-10-2019 02:10PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Would anyone care to show evidence of the 'Damage' done by the protests? Whatever form that takes.

A fair few neighbours/friends have cattle that went overage during the blockades and since. The blockades created a severe backlog and most have cattle on hand today that are or going overage and cannot get them slaughtered. These farmers feed a few bullocks/heifers every year either from their suckler herds or cattle they bought in.

patsy_mccabe · 30-10-2019 02:16PM

Do people not forget why there was a protest in the first place?

MIKEKC · 30-10-2019 03:03PM

memorystick wrote: »

Are the factories not just acting the fûçk again?

Probably they have the power, now they are using it

MIKEKC · 30-10-2019 03:06PM

Base price wrote: »

A fair few neighbours/friends have cattle that went overage during the blockades and since. The blockades created a severe backlog and most have cattle on hand today that are or going overage and cannot get them slaughtered. These farmers feed a few bullocks/heifers every year either from their suckler herds or cattle they bought in.

30 overage left here, Cahir not taking any over 30 months this week. Almost 50 gone overage since strike. Severe loss here

MIKEKC · 30-10-2019 03:07PM

Muckit wrote: »

I could be way off, but I'm getting a hint of sarcasm!

Not far off I suppose

Anto_Meath · 30-10-2019 03:11PM

It was the wrong time of year to have a strike and it was gone about in the wrong way plus the weather since august hasn't helped. Factories can now do as they like as they like as they know farmers now need to get cattle killed so wouldn't dream of blocking the gates again for a while. There has to be some other way to put pressure on the Factories while at the same time not stopping the kill.

Base price · 30-10-2019 03:24PM

Anto_Meath wrote: »

It was the wrong time of year to have a strike and it was gone about in the wrong way plus the weather since august hasn't helped. Factories can now do as they like as they like as they know farmers now need to get cattle killed so wouldn't dream of blocking the gates again for a while. There has to be some other way to put pressure on the Factories while at the same time not stopping the kill.

IMO the only way of putting pressure on the factories is to reduce the kill numbers. Unfortunately that will not be achieved in the near future due to the fact that we are way overstocked.

The Strike is over. What happens now?

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