Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

Dickerty · 11-10-2019 11:11AM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Yea comparing being a PL footballer to a regular 9 to 5 office job never really works imo.

Not what I said, at all. The comparison is about having a 'bad day at the office', as Gomez had against Red Bull, and then being considered not good enough.

Anyway, this is boring now...back to my 9-5!

The Good Ole Boys · 11-10-2019 11:41AM

I was talking behind Joe Gomez's back on a forum lmao

The Good Ole Boys · 11-10-2019 11:46AM

Grayditch wrote: »

A picture of Liverpool, the best team in the world right now, lifting the cup coveted by every player and fan, which I'm sure... everyone... on the thread can enjoy.

Fitz* · 11-10-2019 11:48AM

The Good Ole Boys wrote: »

The Good Ole Boys · 11-10-2019 11:51AM

FitzShane wrote: »

ayyy

shamrock55 · 11-10-2019 12:21PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Shamrock, careful what you say or we will have 'shouldn't be on the pitch' Gomez hilariously posted for the next while!

I expect nothing less my man

shamrock55 · 11-10-2019 12:24PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Not what I said, at all. The comparison is about having a 'bad day at the office', as Gomez had against Red Bull, and then being considered not good enough.

Anyway, this is boring now...back to my 9-5!

It was actually, and it was a dumb comparison and you know it

GBX · 11-10-2019 12:24PM

When its international break and you come into the thread to see whats going on ..
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1o059k7ewrqj3n · 11-10-2019 12:32PM

What results the lads have featured in out of this international break:

10th Oct All Games:
EURO: Netherlands v N. Ireland [VVD, Gini - full game] 3-1
EURO: Croatia v Hungary [Lovren - full game] 3-0
EURO: Russia v Scotland [Robertson - full game] 4-0
EURO: Belgium v San Marino [Origi - unused sub] 9-0
FRIENDLY: Brazil v Senegal [Bobby - 1 goal/59 mins, Mane - full game] 1-1

What games have the lads left out of this international break:

EURO: Czechia v England [Henderson, TAA] - 11th Oct
EURO: Estonia v Netherlands [VVD, Gini] - 13th Oct
EURO: Wales v Croatia [Lovren] - 13th Oct
EURO: San Marino v Scotland [Robertson] - 13th Oct
EURO: Kazakhstan v Belgium [Origi] - 13th Oct
FRIENDLY: Brazil v Nigeria [Bobby, Fabinho] - 13th Oct
EURO: Bulgaria v England [Henderson, TAA] - 14th Oct

PL: United v Liverpool - 20th Oct

Obviously not all those players may feature. Also didn't include Kelleher, Gomez, Van den Berg, Hoever, Elliot, Brewster or Jones in the list, as I believe they won't feature for senior squads and probably won't feature v United.

Sorry if I missed anything.

giveitholly · 11-10-2019 12:36PM

Not much of a break for Mane if he has to play on the thursday before the utd game

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 11-10-2019 12:40PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Not much of a break for Mane if he has to play on the thursday before the utd game

Was thinking the same, hard to see him starting what with travel back to the UK from Africa factored in. So hoping he either doesnt feature or subbed off early.

shamrock55 · 11-10-2019 12:45PM

Have tv dates for new year come out today?

gimli2112 · 11-10-2019 12:54PM

GBX wrote: »

When its international break and you come into the thread to see whats going on ..

this is actually comparatively hi-brow for international break, at least it's football related, usually it's wall to wall panda stuff

Talisman · 11-10-2019 12:55PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Well it depends on our depth in the position. If Hoever continues to improve as a RB, we might need Trent more in midfield (where him and Fab would be an awesome pairing). He is so similar to Gerrard - if Stevie has come through when we had a ton of quality CMs, he probably would have ended up as an attacking RB as well for his tackling, crossing, long passing and engine. But as it happens, we needed him in midfield more.

When Gerrard came through we had plenty of midfielders - Berger, Redknapp, Ince, Hamann. McAteer, Leonhardsen, Murphy, Thompson and Ferri were also in the squad.

Gerrard was a petulant brat - I remember one of his early games where Houllier hooked him early in the second half (may have been in the first few minutes) and Gerrard had a hissy fit on the sideline. Houllier gave him alot of leeway that wouldn't be afforded to young players at Liverpool now.

Throughout his career Gerrard lacked the discipline required to be the midfielder the club needed. It's only when his mobility went that he began to realise that he didn't have to charge around the pitch in order to influence the game. If Houllier had made a point of playing him at right back/wing-back, he may have acquired that insight earlier in his career. His crossing and engine would have been of better use from that position than that offered by Stephen Wright or Jason McAteer.

Thankfully the club is on a far more stable footing now and TAA is a more stable individual by comparison to the young Steven Gerrard. TAA only turned 21 last week so he has plenty of time to move into his 'natural' position in midfield. At the moment he has a critical role in the way the team is setup and I don't see that changing in the next year or so.

BullBlackNova · 11-10-2019 01:19PM

Not sure I agree with a lot of the points there re: Gerrard. For one, I remember him playing as a right back in the very early stages of his career (this may genuinely have happened about twice!)

For a man who apparently didn't have the discipline to be the midfielder the club needed, he did a pretty remarkable job playing on the right under Benitez, when he was vocal about not wanting to. His strengths were his shooting, his ability to play the ball through the opposition and, a lot of the time, his ability to arrive on the edge of the box at the right moment (not an exhaustive list here - just a few off the top).

It would be interesting to see what his career would look like if he emerged now because the type of player he was isn't valued as highly in many modern teams. Would he played out wide? Unlikely, he didn't have the pace. As part of a midfield three is more likely but it wouldn't necessarily be a comfortable fit - this isn't unique to him. There is a whole generation of right midfielders (Beckham etc), right backs (Neville), and number tens (Rui Costa? Coutinho anyway!) whose roles have been so drastically redefined that they would have been very different players in the modern game.

For what its worth, I always thought Gerrard should have been moved forward later in his career, not back. He had an eye for goal, could cause havoc with clever positioning. He didn't have the pace, which would have been an issue, but its not like he set the world alight when he was dropped back, though he was decent.

Blanco100 · 11-10-2019 01:30PM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Not sure I agree with a lot of the points there re: Gerrard. For one, I remember him playing as a right back in the very early stages of his career (this may genuinely have happened about twice!)

For a man who apparently didn't have the discipline to be the midfielder the club needed, he did a pretty remarkable job playing on the right under Benitez, when he was vocal about not wanting to. His strengths were his shooting, his ability to play the ball through the opposition and, a lot of the time, his ability to arrive on the edge of the box at the right moment (not an exhaustive list here - just a few off the top).

It would be interesting to see what his career would look like if he emerged now because the type of player he was isn't valued as highly in many modern teams. Would he played out wide? Unlikely, he didn't have the pace. As part of a midfield three is more likely but it wouldn't necessarily be a comfortable fit - this isn't unique to him. There is a whole generation of right midfielders (Beckham etc), right backs (Neville), and number tens (Rui Costa? Coutinho anyway!) whose roles have been so drastically redefined that they would have been very different players in the modern game.

For what its worth, I always thought Gerrard should have been moved forward later in his career, not back. He had an eye for goal, could cause havoc with clever positioning. He didn't have the pace, which would have been an issue, but its not like he set the world alight when he was dropped back, though he was decent.

Always thought Gerrard would have done a job at centre half for us in his later years.

.G. · 11-10-2019 01:30PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Not much of a break for Mane if he has to play on the thursday before the utd game

He doesn't. That competition is like the baby brother of the African Cup of nations. All the same nations play it but they are only allowed to pick players who still play in Africa.

BullBlackNova · 11-10-2019 01:33PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Always thought Gerrard would have done a job at centre half for us in his later years.

Not a bad shout either. Same issue as putting him up top - lack of pace could have killed him. Would have needed the right partner with him.

citytillidie · 11-10-2019 01:36PM

ricero wrote: »

The anfield wrap podcast released a 4 year retrospective on Klopps reign. A good listen.

Not if you are Danny Mills :pac::D

ERG89 · 11-10-2019 01:42PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Not much of a break for Mane if he has to play on the thursday before the utd game

I found it noticeable Mane & Neymar played the full game yesterday while most of the players around them were taken off. Almost as if Brazil & Senegal were contractually obligated to play them for the entire game, their federations would never agree to such a deal surely.
Then again Dani Alves played the full 90 which was kinda cruel as Mane or anyone on the opposing team can practically walk past him nowdays.

citytillidie · 11-10-2019 01:43PM

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Was thinking the same, hard to see him starting what with travel back to the UK from Africa factored in. So hoping he either doesnt feature or subbed off early.

Why there will be no jet lag, still in the same time zone

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 11-10-2019 01:49PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Why there will be no jet lag, still in the same time zone

.G just mentioned that Mane won't feature, as this isn't the African Cup of Nations but the African Nations Championship. From the wiki:

Wikiepdia wrote:

Unlike the African Cup of Nations, the competing national teams must be composed of players playing in their domestic league. For example, an Cameroonian player is only eligible to play for the Cameroon national team if he is playing for a Cameroonian club.

Mane won't play. Dunno when he is due to fly back tho.

giveitholly · 11-10-2019 01:53PM

.G. wrote: »

He doesn't. That competition is like the baby brother of the African Cup of nations. All the same nations play it but they are only allowed to pick players who still play in Africa.

Good stuff,thats him finished now until the utd game

DVDM93 · 11-10-2019 03:58PM

He should be jailed tbh.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11833055/liverpools-harvey-elliott-suspended-for-14-days-over-insulting-harry-kane-social-media-post

Agent Coulson · 11-10-2019 04:14PM

Young Elliott got a 14 day ban for the video mocking Harry Kane.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1182657657733353475?s=21

gimli2112 · 11-10-2019 04:18PM

If they're banning players for stupid sh** they put up on social media Jessie Lingard's career is in serious trouble.
I'm sure the lot of them get training on what and what not to do.

Guy:Incognito · 11-10-2019 04:21PM

What did he do in the video? Was it on the thread at the time? Seems to have passed me by.

Harry Palmr · 11-10-2019 04:23PM

Sell him! (or get about 500k knocked off the tribunal fee due to character shortcomings)

TitianGerm · 11-10-2019 04:28PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

He should be jailed tbh.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11833055/liverpools-harvey-elliott-suspended-for-14-days-over-insulting-harry-kane-social-media-post

If he got that ban then Silvas will be way worse due to the racial angle.

Osmosis Jones · 11-10-2019 04:28PM

It's an old-ish video of Elliot calling Kane an ableist slur that begins with M that I'm sure you can guess and that I won't risk posting here and getting a card. It's nothing serious and he was only 15 in the video but hey, that's why it's only a two week ban, the punishment fits the crime. He's essentially just been grounded

What'll be interesting to see is if they do anything with Bernardo Silva now or just let that one slide.

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