Week 4 Thread

jack presley · 30-09-2019 08:26PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Hardly the king. Any mediocre or worse QB on a team with issues will naturally stat pad as a result of how the game naturally goes.

Ryan has been doing it a bit recently. Bortles did it a lot. Look at Goff. Played terrible but 500+ yards.

For me Cousins is maybe a top 20 QB or so but has tended to be on weaker sides. I could see him putting together a Superbowl run with a great side but he won't drag a weak side over the line either like some of the greats can.

Yes it will lead some to overestimate his worth but that is their problem.

So a below average QB then?

Yet one with a top 6 salary.

Foxtrol · 30-09-2019 08:27PM

Oat23 wrote: »

In his last 10 starts, he is averaging 102 yards passing with 9 INTs and 12 fumbles in the first 3 quarters of a game.

Yesterday late in the game he was 20/27 for 150 yards. He then had a drive where he went 7/9 for 83 yards against a prevent D and his stat line ended up being 27/36 for 233. The king of stat padding.

The last 10 games the team has been run focused so it is hardly surprising numbers. Put any QB in a run first team and they are going to on average have low yardage in the first 3 quarters and then increased yardage in the forth quarter when they are playing from behind.

It is like pointing to David Johnson averaging 43 yards a game rushing this season and arguing he is a poor runner, ignoring the context of the Cardinals' game plan.

Yes, his yardage here is 'stat padded' in this game but so would any QB playing with a similar gameplan.

Oat23 · 30-09-2019 08:45PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The last 10 games the team has been run focused so it is hardly surprising numbers. Put any QB in a run first team and they are going to on average have low yardage in the first 3 quarters and then increased yardage in the forth quarter when they are playing from behind.

It is like pointing to David Johnson averaging 43 yards a game rushing this season and arguing he is a poor runner, ignoring the context of the Cardinals' game plan.

Yes, his yardage here is 'stat padded' in this game but so would any QB playing with a similar gameplan.

They're paying him $28m per year and don't trust him to throw is how I'm reading it.

Edit: I should probably also add that Cousins, Diggs and Thielen combined account for almost 30% of the Vikings salary cap.

Jolly Red Giant · 30-09-2019 08:52PM

Bradley Chubb has a torn ACL and is out for the season. Really feel bad for him - best defensive player on the team by far.

Broncos sent him back onto the field - twice - after he broke down in pain.

Hopefully this will force Elway into a full rebuild mode. CHJ has already checked out - saying last night that he didn't care he was out of Denver after another few games. Elway should now look to trade CHJ, Miller and Sanders before the deadline - and see what he has with Lock after the bye-week when he comes back from the injury.

Christy42 · 30-09-2019 08:57PM

jack presley wrote: »

So a below average QB then?

Yet one with a top 6 salary.

I mean he is overpaid but it seems like if you don't develop your own QB talent you end up paying a massive premium. He is likely as good as it gets for the free agent market over the next few years.

The Vikings thought they had a Superbowl team and so tried to get a QB who could manage to guide the team along. They took a shot and it didn't pay off but I see why they did it. It is costing now though but a shot at the title is more than most have had recently.

I was just pointing out the stat padding argument is always a bit weird for me. It is the nature of the team as opposed to anything he is doing (aside from not being elite).

thomond2006 · 30-09-2019 08:59PM

Miller's cap hit is 25m in 2020 and 22m in 2021. That's quite a chunk to take on.

Foxtrol · 30-09-2019 09:02PM

Oat23 wrote: »

They're paying him $28m per year and don't trust him to throw is how I'm reading it.

Plenty of teams have the opposite problem, having way too much trust in a QB that isn't up to it and forcing them throw too much, their opponents this weekend the Bears with Trubisky being an example.

Even taking your lack of trust to be true, being a 'run first' team until it fails and then asking your QB to dig you out of a hole isn't really a good way to get a QB to succeed.

I think the Vikings had either no plan about how they wanted to play or have changed their plan completely and still went out and paid guys that don't fit into it. Last season they sacked their OC for not running the ball enough despite paying Cousins and Diggs, before still going and paying Thielen this summer.

Jolly Red Giant · 30-09-2019 09:07PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Miller's cap hit is 25m in 2020 and 22m in 2021. That's quite a chunk to take on.

Miller's contract was restructured last year - $8million of next year and almost $5million the following year has already been paid. The cap hit is $17M each year. For a sack master that is not a lot of money. Miller needs to be motivated and he will only do that on a team that has SB potential. Put him in the right team and he could get 20 sacks this season. He is going through the motions for the Broncos and still had a big first half last night.

The tragedy is Chubb - he has been playing flat-out all four games - and he was the one that got injured. I wouldn't be half as upset if Miller had been hurt instead.

The_Honeybadger · 30-09-2019 09:12PM

Lionbacker wrote: »

God, I hate that QB wins stat.
I mean look at Rodgers last Thursday put up a stat-line of 422 yards, 2 TD's & an INT (which wasn't really his fault), yet it'll go down as a loss in his record despite doing everything possible to win the game, all the while when it was the run D primarily at fault.

I did acknowledge it was mostly in a poor team. It’s a team sport and not everything is on the QB but it’s an interesting stat all the same.

I like Cousins and I thought the Vikings made a good move at the time, albeit a very expensive one. They need to sort out that line if they ever want it to work. I know Chicago’s pass rush is excellent but the Vikings have to protect him better than they did last night.

Realt Dearg Sec · 30-09-2019 09:20PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I did acknowledge it was mostly in a poor team. It’s a team sport and not everything is on the QB but it’s an interesting stat all the same.

I like Cousins and I thought the Vikings made a good move at the time, albeit a very expensive one. They need to sort out that line if they ever want it to work. I know Chicago’s pass rush is excellent but the Vikings have to protect him better than they did last night.

Was gonna say, beyond questions about the ability of the QB, for both Chicago and Minnesota the o line is a way more urgent problem. Both teams were terrible in pass protection, and got worse as the game progressed. Certainly from a Chicago point of view, it's hard to see that anyone across the line really shone. Neither QB could either safely run out of the pocket or step up in it, they were under massive pressure.

thomond2006 · 01-10-2019 09:31AM

Is it time for the Bengals to consider a firesale? Dalton's contract is no longer guaranteed. AJ Green is 31, injured and hitting free agency next year. They have a few players around the 30 mark that could be moved on.

dfx- · 01-10-2019 10:31AM

They definitely need a new OL, it was sack after sack.

boccy23 · 01-10-2019 10:38AM

30-33 Overall.

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills - w
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions - w
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins - w
Redskins @ Giants - w
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans - w
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears - w
Jaguars @ Broncos - w
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers -w

Paleface · 01-10-2019 12:34PM

Paleface wrote: »

31 - 17 overall

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

A poor 7 - 8 for the week brings me to 38 - 25 overall

Itssoeasy · 01-10-2019 12:41PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

27-21 for the season.

Eagles @ Packers (Yes I know but i'm an optimist)
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

9-6 for the week. So 36-27after 4 weeks.

MileHighGuy · 01-10-2019 01:35PM

MileHighGuy wrote: »

32-16 entering week 4

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

A miserly 8-7 to give 40-23 heading into week 5.

collybyrne · 01-10-2019 01:46PM

collybyrne wrote: »

29 - 19 up to last week

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

8 - 7 for this week. Brings me to 37 - 26 for the season.

Some real surprises this week in fairness. Has to be some kind of record for the amount of road wins in a single week?

BonnieSituation · 01-10-2019 01:54PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

33-15 coming in

Eagles @ Packers x
Patriots @ Bills o
Titans@ Falcons o
Chiefs @ Lions o
Raiders @ Colts x
Chargers @ Dolphins o
Redskins @ Giants o
Browns @ Ravens x
Panthers @ Texans x
Buccaneers @ Rams x
Seahawks @ Cardinals o
Vikings @ Bears o
Jaguars @ Broncos x
Cowboys @ Saints x
Bengals @ Steelers x

That was a horrible week with some truly bizarre picks.

7-8 brings me to 40-23 on the year.

conor222 · 01-10-2019 02:25PM

9-6 this week, messy one but not as bad as it could've been I guess
Brings me to 40-23 on the season so far, .635

conor222 wrote: »

31 -17 coming in so far

Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

Realt Dearg Sec · 01-10-2019 06:33PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

30-18 coming in

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

7-8

37-26 so far

paulie21 · 01-10-2019 08:25PM

paulie21 wrote: »

29-19

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

A horrible 6-9 takes me to 35-28

Christy42 · 02-10-2019 06:50AM

Christy42 wrote: »

34-14 coming in

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins (does this even need to be stated at this point, Dolphins lose)
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

A glorious 6-10. Doesn't feel great when the rng beats you.
40-24.

collybyrne · 02-10-2019 08:39AM

Christy42 wrote: »

A glorious 6-10. Doesn't feel great when the rng beats you.
40-24.

Think you might have counted wrong here, there were only 15 games played.

Christy42 · 02-10-2019 09:20AM

collybyrne wrote: »

Think you might have counted wrong here, there were only 15 games played.

Ah thanks. 6-9 for 40 - 23

Got lazy and just counted up my wins and subtracted from 16. Forgot about the bye.

TheDoctor · 03-10-2019 02:55PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

31-17 for the season

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

8-7 for the week

39-24 for the season

Myleftpeg · 03-10-2019 04:56PM

Myleftpeg wrote: »

Eagles @ Packers
Patriots @ Bills Sky
Titans @ Falcons
Chiefs @ Lions
Raiders @ Colts
Chargers @ Dolphins
Redskins @ Giants
Browns @ Ravens
Panthers @ Texans
Buccaneers @ Rams
Seahawks @ Cardinals
Vikings @ Bears
Jaguars @ Broncos
Cowboys @ Saints
Bengals @ Steelers

10-6 so far as late to the party

6-9 This week brings me to a sad 16-15

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