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Storm Lorenzo: October 3/4 2019 **Technical Discussion Only**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's unlikely. All the reliable models show steady weakening to below hurricane strength within about 120 hours.

    Important to remember that 120 hrs is within hours of potential landfall so I wouldn't be underestimating the impact this system could have.

    The shear is forecast to be less pronounced for the system later Sunday and through Monday, Tuesday as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The ECM has the centre to the west of Irelan but 160-180 kph gusts touching the west of Galway and Mayo Thursday evening.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Latest microwave now shows that western eyewall closing in a bit again.

    The 12Z SHIPS LGEM has the intensity at 46 knots at 120 hours (12Z on Thursday) as it approaches well off the southwest coast (50.6 N, 15.6 W), moving at 33 knots. It has it at around 67 knots near the Azores at 96 hours.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,117 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Note from Met Eireann

    “Hurricane Lorenzo is currently positioned in the south Atlantic and will gradually track northeastwards in the coming days. At this stage its impact on Ireland is uncertain. Met Eireann is closely monitoring the progress of Lorenzo.”


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,880 ✭✭✭pauldry


    At the moment this is a very dangerous storm for the Atlantic coasts next Thursday

    Met Eireann have even mentioned it.

    But further weakening and it may be just a wet and windy evening when it hits


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    NHC


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 28/0900Z 21.4N 44.8W 100 KT 115 MPH
    12H 28/1800Z 22.7N 44.8W 95 KT 110 MPH
    24H 29/0600Z 24.5N 44.7W 90 KT 105 MPH
    36H 29/1800Z 26.0N 44.2W 90 KT 105 MPH
    48H 30/0600Z 27.6N 43.5W 85 KT 100 MPH
    72H 01/0600Z 31.5N 40.9W 85 KT 100 MPH
    96H 02/0600Z 38.0N 32.5W 80 KT 90 MPH
    120H 03/0600Z 48.0N 19.0W 70 KT 80 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP




    https://twitter.com/iCyclone/status/1177924544280969216?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    While ophelia did become a post-tropical hurricane i seem to remember it keeping its wind speeds higher then models predicted at the time, is it possible that could happen again here with the jet stream pushing it towards the SW?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Lorenzo's path through cooler waters .

    HWRF tracking it off the W. Showing it still very strong at +126

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Note from Met Eireann

    “Hurricane Lorenzo is currently positioned in the south Atlantic and will gradually track northeastwards in the coming days. At this stage its impact on Ireland is uncertain. Met Eireann is closely monitoring the progress of Lorenzo.”

    Em, that would be very unusual. I think they mean the other south (i.e. North!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    Em, that would be very unusual. I think they mean the other south (i.e. North!)

    south of north atlantic? :)


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    UKMO 0Z taking a route more Southerly similar to GEM

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I'll just leave this here

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,117 ✭✭✭pad199207


    I'll just leave this here

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    Just the tail end eh?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Met Eireann are very sloppy with basic text errors in their online forecasts.

    Can understand the odd mistake but it's way too frequent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Am I good until 6 o clock in north Dublin or am I going to be caught in something I don’t want to be involved in?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Big surge of water with this, lucky it has missed the very high tides this weekend.

    Projected Wave Heights

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I'll just leave this here

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    Pretty much the same pressure and appearance as it will be passing the Azores, according to the ECM...

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Seeing 962 hPa early Fri morning. ( many more runs to come, just what is showing atm )


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    850 hPa winds

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,117 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Next Thursdays Satellite image over Ireland could be one for the archives.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The Jet keeping it fired up ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Latest NHC discussion. The erc has finished now and it looks like being around 80 knots (~70 knots 10-minute mean) near the Azores and 70 knots (~60-65 knots 10-minute mean) and extratropical by 51N, southwest of Kerry, at 120 hrs.
    Hurricane Lorenzo Discussion Number 24
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132019
    1100 AM AST Sat Sep 28 2019

    Lorenzo appears to be in the final stages of an eyewall
    replacement. 37-GHz GCOM imagery from overnight suggested that a
    smaller inner eyewall was embedded within a larger eye, and the new
    eyewall now extends 40-45 n mi from the center of circulation. An
    eye has also reappeared in GOES-16 visible and infrared satellite
    imagery during the past several hours. Based on Dvorak intensity
    estimates of T5.5/102 kt from TAFB and SAB, and an ADT estimate of
    T5.3/97 kt, Lorenzo's intensity is still estimated to be 100 kt.

    Although the hurricane seems to be wobbling a bit, fixes indicate
    that it has generally turned northward with an initial motion of
    350/9 kt. The track forecast remains straightforward, with very
    little spread among the models and their ensembles. Lorenzo is
    expected to be nudged north-northeastward and then northeastward
    starting in 36 hours by strong ridging building over the western
    Atlantic. The northeastward motion is expected to increase on day
    3 when Lorenzo is picked up by a strong deep-layer trough over the
    north Atlantic, and that acceleration is forecast to continue
    through day 5. The NHC track forecast lies near the consensus aids
    and is very similar to the previous forecast.

    A little bit of west-southwesterly shear continues over Lorenzo,
    but it's not strong enough to disrupt the circulation
    significantly. Only a very slow, gradual weakening is forecast
    during the next 3 days, matching what is indicated by many of the
    intensity models. Extratropical transition is expected to have
    begun by day 4 while Lorenzo is moving near the Azores, but that
    process is not expected to be complete until day 5. Although
    Lorenzo's winds are forecast to decrease a bit during the
    extratropical transition due to stronger shear and cold waters, the
    cyclone is expected to maintain hurricane-force winds through the
    end of the forecast period.

    Lorenzo's wind field will remain large, and the hurricane-force
    wind radii are expected to grow in size during the next couple of
    days. In addition, large swells continue to radiate outward away
    from the hurricane and will reach much of the western and northern
    side of the Atlantic basin in a few days.


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 28/1500Z 22.5N 44.8W 100 KT 115 MPH
    12H 29/0000Z 23.8N 44.6W 100 KT 115 MPH
    24H 29/1200Z 25.6N 44.2W 95 KT 110 MPH
    36H 30/0000Z 27.1N 43.7W 95 KT 110 MPH
    48H 30/1200Z 28.8N 43.0W 90 KT 105 MPH
    72H 01/1200Z 33.3N 39.3W 90 KT 105 MPH
    96H 02/1200Z 40.5N 29.5W 80 KT 90 MPH
    120H 03/1200Z 51.0N 16.5W 70 KT 80 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭blackwave


    This is a particularly bad time of year for a a storm of such force to hit us as a lot of trees are still in leaf etc. Hopefully it misses us but the current model trend is worrying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭YanSno


    Hurricane Lorenzo remains a powerful Category 3 storm with winds near 115mph, however, satellite images appear to show an open eyewall on the southern side, which is doing more than offset the impressive cloud tops in the western side this afternoon. The storm is moving in a north-northwesterly direction, as expected, but forward motion remains fairly modest allowing the opportunity for slight reintensification in light of lower wind shear. The forecast calls for Lorenzo to maintain its general intensity for the next 36-48 hours, with a collapse in the storm's intensity expected around hour 96, when Lorenzo will reach the Azores.
    Long range models have shifted back towards a post-tropical impact in western Europe, thanks to a new low pressure system over the north Atlantic influencing Lorenzo's track later on.

    Cyclone Destruction Potential Scale rating: 5
    Lorenzo threatens to be the most intense hurricane on record for the Azores, with major damages possible on the western islands if the current forecast verifies.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Accuweathers storm path for Lorenzo


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    YanSno wrote: »
    Lorenzo threatens to be the most intense hurricane on record for the Azores, with major damages possible on the western islands if the current forecast verifies.

    Apparently not. Hurricane 8 in 1926 seems to be the strongest on record. On a Portuguese forum they also said that Felix in 2001 was around 100 knots too.

    EDIT: Felix didn't reach the Azores.

    https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1177340313968369664?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Latest GFS pretty much kills off the storm as it takes a more southerly root away from Ireland:

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    Game over. :P

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Latest GFS pretty much kills off the storm as it takes a more southerly root away from Ireland:


    Game over. :P

    Nothing to see here.....move on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    GFS/UKMO look to weaken significantly and quickly and divert toward Biscay.

    Big shift, will ECM follow?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    EPS tracks from 18z run yesterday and 06z today. More 'members' branching off eastwards.

    18z:

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    06z:

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    New Moon



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    GFS/UKMO look to weaken significantly and quickly and divert toward Biscay.

    Big shift, will ECM follow?

    The CMC was going that way too earlier...


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