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Girls don't cycle! Guess whos fault it is?

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  • #182
    Your Face
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Interesting idea - what do you think happens to traffic when the 56k people that cycle into Dublin each day switch back to their cars or to our near capacity public transport system?


    They will finally be real grown-ups.


  • #183
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would buy the incessant abuse from men as the primary reason IF girls otherwise played sports or were physically active. However the vast majority of girls do no sports or physical activity once they hit secondary school. Even in single sex schools. I have 2 daughters ... I know this well.

    Ironically they were all out today protesting climate change, then being collected by mommy in the BMW X5.

    So that's not good enough.

    Cycle to school with some lads of the same age maybe ???? They can tell the creeps to F off.


  • #184
    marvin80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭marvin80


    Bondetf wrote: »
    I've seen more dangerous cycling that dangerous driving on our roads.

    You created a new profile to talk sh*t in this thread, jog on


  • #185
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    ok, i've gone back to your most interesting question;

    "Really, if a black lad was harassed on his way to school based on the colour of his skin would your response be"teach black kids more emotional resilience"?"

    My answer to that is, no i wouldnt, because no one's suggesting black kids dont cycle or go to school due to a fear of harassment. Either they are not being harassed en masse or if they are, they already possess the resilience to cope with it.

    Did you miss the 'if'?


  • #186
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,933 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    And groups of cyclists take it to extremes.
    I am a cyclist and am appalled by the attitude of some cyclists, mainly club cyclists, or training groups.
    What attitudes would these be - the attitude that they have the same right to use the road as anyone else? Or that their journey is just as important as anyone else?


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  • #187
    beejee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That's slightly inconsistent with every bit of road safety statistics that shows that motorists are killing 2 or 3 people each week on the roads and maiming many more, while cyclists aren't.

    We have four out of five drivers breaking speed limits. We have the majority of motorists using their phones while driving. We have the vast majority of red light jumpers being motorists. Let me know if you need sources to confirm any of these claims.

    Perhaps you need to up your game on observation.

    I once saw a cyclist crash into a double decker bus full of nuns. Instant, painful death for all. Except the cyclist who rode away twirling his moustache in glee.

    And I see it regularly. Nun buses up and down the country being wiped out by cyclists.

    I have vhs tapes of every incident stashed away, happy to share if you cover post, packing and a harmless gratuity to cover other expenses


  • #188
    beejee
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    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Did you miss the 'if'?

    Did you miss the "but"?


  • #189
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Did you miss the 'if'?
    "if" the harassment were causing him to not cycle to school, then yes i would say that bad things happen to good people and you cant live in fear waiting for a bubble wrapped utopia. By all means fight the harassers by any means necessary but dont let them win by rolling over.


  • #190
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,933 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Your Face wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Interesting idea - what do you think happens to traffic when the 56k people that cycle into Dublin each day switch back to their cars or to our near capacity public transport system?


    They will finally be real grown-ups.
    You seem to be avoiding the question about the impact of another 50k cars on the road. Would you like to revisit that please?

    And perhaps you could explain why doubling your risk of heart disease and near doubling your risk of cancer is 'growing up'?

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2017/0828/900502-the-health-benefits-of-cycling-to-work-are-staggering/

    Are people really that petty and small minded that they are impressed by car ownership?


  • #191
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    "if" the harassment were causing him to not cycle to school, then yes i would say that bad things happen to good people and you cant live in fear waiting for a bubble wrapped utopia. By all means fight the harassers by any means necessary but dont let them win by rolling over.

    So you don't think racial harassment should be prosecuted? Or you do think sexual harassment should be? I'm a little unclear.


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  • #192
    DelBoy Trotter
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    You seem to be avoiding the question about the impact of another 50k cars on the road. Would you like to revisit that please?

    And perhaps you could explain why doubling your risk of heart disease and near doubling your risk of cancer is 'growing up'?

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2017/0828/900502-the-health-benefits-of-cycling-to-work-are-staggering/

    Are people really that petty and small minded that they are impressed by car ownership?

    Do you search Boards for every thread that has any mention of bikes? You seem to be routinely arriving in threads about bikes to make them into a bikes V everybody else on the road argument


  • #193
    Your Face
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    You seem to be avoiding the question about the impact of another 50k cars on the road. Would you like to revisit that please?

    And perhaps you could explain why doubling your risk of heart disease and near doubling your risk of cancer is 'growing up'?

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2017/0828/900502-the-health-benefits-of-cycling-to-work-are-staggering/

    Are people really that petty and small minded that they are impressed by car ownership?


    lol


  • #194
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    "if" the harassment were causing him to not cycle to school, then yes i would say that bad things happen to good people and you cant live in fear waiting for a bubble wrapped utopia. By all means fight the harassers by any means necessary but dont let them win by rolling over.
    That's all pretty mealy-mouthed, frankly.

    And convenient that it doesn't require you (and by that I mean society in general) to have to do anything or change your behaviour.


  • #195
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    So you don't think racial harassment should be prosecuted? Or you do think sexual harassment should be? I'm a little unclear.
    of course racial harassment should be dealt with according to whatever the laws are!!! the point is that if you are waiting for enforcement of laws to remove every bit of harassment and unpleasantness from life, you'll end up doing nothing and living in fear. Thousands of women cycle to school and work every day in Ireland despite the apparent onslaught of abuse they receive so i would say that resilience is not an irrelevant question here.


  • #196
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    of course racial harassment should be dealt with according to whatever the laws are!!! the point is that if you are waiting for enforcement of laws to remove every bit of harassment and unpleasantness from life, you'll end up doing nothing and living in fear. Thousands of women cycle to school and work every day in Ireland despite the apparent onslaught of abuse they receive so i would say that resilience is not an irrelevant question here.
    So sexual harassment shouldn't be prosecuted?


  • #197
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    seamus wrote: »
    That's all pretty mealy-mouthed, frankly.

    And convenient that it doesn't require you (and by that I mean society in general) to have to do anything or change your behaviour.

    ok what would you say to the black lad in the other posters hypothetical situation?


  • #198
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,933 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would buy the incessant abuse from men as the primary reason IF girls otherwise played sports or were physically active. However the vast majority of girls do no sports or physical activity once they hit secondary school. Even in single sex schools. I have 2 daughters ... I know this well.

    Ironically they were all out today protesting climate change, then being collected by mommy in the BMW X5.

    So that's not good enough.

    Cycle to school with some lads of the same age maybe ???? They can tell the creeps to F off.
    Have a look at the website of Muckross, the school that the girls in the RTE News clip come from and look at the breadth of sports that they're involved with. And that doesn't include the numbers who are also playing hurling or football for their GAA Club, or swimming or gymnastics or many of the other activities that teenage girls do.
    http://mail.muckrossparkcollege.com/index.php/gallery/sports-gallery-2016

    My teen that was at the protest today is on the way home on the Luas now with the mates, so you might want to keep your sneering for those who actually deserve it.


  • #199
    AndrewJRenko
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    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    You seem to be avoiding the question about the impact of another 50k cars on the road. Would you like to revisit that please?

    And perhaps you could explain why doubling your risk of heart disease and near doubling your risk of cancer is 'growing up'?

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2017/0828/900502-the-health-benefits-of-cycling-to-work-are-staggering/

    Are people really that petty and small minded that they are impressed by car ownership?

    Do you search Boards for every thread that has any mention of bikes? You seem to be routinely arriving in threads about bikes to make them into a bikes V everybody else on the road argument
    Yes. Yes I do.

    Is there anything in what I said that you'd like to contradict?


  • #200
    blanch152
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That's slightly inconsistent with every bit of road safety statistics that shows that motorists are killing 2 or 3 people each week on the roads and maiming many more, while cyclists aren't.

    We have four out of five drivers breaking speed limits. We have the majority of motorists using their phones while driving. We have the vast majority of red light jumpers being motorists. Let me know if you need sources to confirm any of these claims.

    Perhaps you need to up your game on observation.


    Yes, motorists kill cyclists, that is an inevitable outcome of the physics of a car hitting a bicycle.

    What I don't understand are the kamikaze-type cyclists who break the rules of the road, take unbelievable risks and put themselves into trouble.

    If a car breaks the rules of the road, the consequences of the risk to the driver are low. However, when a cyclist takes a risk and breaks the rules of the road, whether by cycling through a red light, up the wrong way of a one-way street, in-between slow-moving cars etc. the consequences of the risk are extremely damaging. The benefits are at most a minute of two saved on a journey.

    It just baffles me why some cyclists take these risks. Standing at traffic lights having got off a bus and watching this behaviour makes me wonder about their sanity. For every cyclist that behaves rationally and carefully, there seem to be another one that is behaving in a kamikaze fashion. And I haven't even talked about the ones in dark clothing and no lights on their bike on a badly-lit road in winter rain!

    Human behaviour is what it is. Normal humans will take risks - speeding, on their phone when driving - when the consequences to themselves are low. Such is human nature.


  • #201
    beejee
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    seamus wrote: »
    That's all pretty mealy-mouthed, frankly.

    And convenient that it doesn't require you (and by that I mean society in general) to have to do anything or change your behaviour.

    What's infinitely more interesting is the lack of a comparative response from the other poster. Just look at the lack few back-and-forths between them.

    So I'd say it is indeed convenient not to offer potential "solutions" but tell other people about how convenient it is for them to do nothing!

    It's all hot air and bs, people getting in a tizzy about nothing that can be changed, and thats if it's a problem at all.

    Rain is a problem now and then, but what are you going to do about it?

    Use an umbrella? Oh how convenient! An excuse to avoid the underlying issue of it actually raining!


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  • #202
    suicide_circus
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    Sardonicat wrote: »
    So sexual harassment shouldn't be prosecuted?

    lol ok bye


  • #203
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,933 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Your Face wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    You seem to be avoiding the question about the impact of another 50k cars on the road. Would you like to revisit that please?

    And perhaps you could explain why doubling your risk of heart disease and near doubling your risk of cancer is 'growing up'?

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2017/0828/900502-the-health-benefits-of-cycling-to-work-are-staggering/

    Are people really that petty and small minded that they are impressed by car ownership?


    lol
    Is that the entire sum of your wisdom on this topic?


  • #204
    beejee
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    ok what would you say to the black lad in the other posters hypothetical situation?

    They have nothing worthwhile saying beyond "oh isn't it dreadful!"

    You're just being suckered into a one-sided conversation man


  • #205
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,933 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    blanch152 wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That's slightly inconsistent with every bit of road safety statistics that shows that motorists are killing 2 or 3 people each week on the roads and maiming many more, while cyclists aren't.

    We have four out of five drivers breaking speed limits. We have the majority of motorists using their phones while driving. We have the vast majority of red light jumpers being motorists. Let me know if you need sources to confirm any of these claims.

    Perhaps you need to up your game on observation.


    Yes, motorists kill cyclists, that is an inevitable outcome of the physics of a car hitting a bicycle.

    What I don't understand are the kamikaze-type cyclists who break the rules of the road, take unbelievable risks and put themselves into trouble.

    If a car breaks the rules of the road, the consequences of the risk to the driver are low. However, when a cyclist takes a risk and breaks the rules of the road, whether by cycling through a red light, up the wrong way of a one-way street, in-between slow-moving cars etc. the consequences of the risk are extremely damaging. The benefits are at most a minute of two saved on a journey.

    It just baffles me why some cyclists take these risks. Standing at traffic lights having got off a bus and watching this behaviour makes me wonder about their sanity. For every cyclist that behaves rationally and carefully, there seem to be another one that is behaving in a kamikaze fashion. And I haven't even talked about the ones in dark clothing and no lights on their bike on a badly-lit road in winter rain!

    Human behaviour is what it is. Normal humans will take risks - speeding, on their phone when driving - when the consequences to themselves are low. Such is human nature.
    Motorists kill far more motorists and pedestrians than they do cyclists. Perhaps the risk to motorists isn't quite as small as you imagine?

    Perhaps the risk to cyclists isn't quite as big as you imagine?


  • #206
    DelBoy Trotter
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Yes. Yes I do.

    Is there anything in what I said that you'd like to contradict?

    So you’ve come into a thread and derailed it again with your own agenda when the thread has nothing to do with your own agenda? You do realise it’s your holier-than-thou attitude which adds fire to your actual agenda and turns even more people against cyclists...


  • #207
    gormdubhgorm
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Hi Vis vests are the bane of cyclists. They're cycling, not going to a building site. If hi vis is so key to road safety why aren't cars painted with hi viz paint?

    Cars have these big bright things called lights - which are very hard to miss. I always leave the small lights on no matter what the weather. Makes a big difference in the avoidance of any accidents.
    In Sweden it is actually a legal requirement.

    ---

    As for the cycling article it seems like just another vehicle (excuse the pun) to shoehorn another 'oppressed women/girls' narrative article into the mix.
    So that all girls can tune into it regardless of thier skin colour and socio-economic background.
    And can scream oppression!
    It seems the #metoo movement has just gotten another step sillier.

    Get on your bike I say to them....

    It's healthy.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #208
    Your Face
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Is that the entire sum of your wisdom on this topic?

    No but I'm finished with you so good bye.
    Good luck with being outraged about everything.
    Hope you get a car soon.


  • #209
    Sardonicat
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    lol ok bye

    So you really don't want to answer the question?
    Suggesting to black children that racial harassment will occur due to a minority of racist white folks is a fact of life and the means of tackling it at a societal level starts and ends with teaching them emotional resilience is not an adequate response, according to you.

    Teaching female children that sexual harassment is a fact of life due to a minority of misogynistic men and tackling it at a societal level starts and ends with teaching them emotional resilience IS a perfectly adequate response at a societal level.

    Is that your view?


  • #210
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,933 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Your Face wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Is that the entire sum of your wisdom on this topic?

    No but I'm finished with you so good bye.
    Good luck with being outraged about everything.
    Hope you get a car soon.
    Like most cyclists, I have a car. I just don't have time to sit around in traffic increasing my cancer and heart disease rates.


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  • #211
    AndrewJRenko
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    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Hi Vis vests are the bane of cyclists. They're cycling, not going to a building site. If hi vis is so key to road safety why aren't cars painted with hi viz paint?

    Cars have these big bright things called lights - which are very hard to miss. I always leave the small lights on no matter what the weather. Makes a big difference in the avoidance of any accidents.
    In Sweden it is actually a legal requirement.

    ---
    They don't have lights on the sides, and it's not unusual to find that one or more lights are broken or the idiot driver doesn't know how to operate their DRLs - so surely hi-vis stripes on all sides of all cars would be a great safety advance?


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