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Dermot Bannon is remodeling your house, what would/wouldn't you allow him to do?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    debok wrote: »
    Do whatever he wants, what's the point in paying to get him in if your not going to listen to him

    But why become an architect if you dont listen to your clients? They are there to serve you and help you make the best building that suits your needs, not just force their vision on you. Push and pull from both parties is best


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    I have no idea who Dermot Bannon is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,596 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I have no idea who Dermot Bannon is.

    Edgy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    Edgy.

    Or just clueless. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    He is annoying enough inside my television set, why would I let him anywhere near my house?

    I assume Vodafone sales have plummeted, whoever thought it would be good idea to use him as a role model?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    wakka12 wrote: »
    But why become an architect if you dont listen to your clients? They are there to serve you and help you make the best building that suits your needs, not just force their vision on you. Push and pull from both parties is best

    But you know what to expect if you get someone like Dermot Bannon-white cubes, double height spaces etc etc. so why would anyone want him designing their house if that's not what you want too? architecture is a visual art form as well as having a practical purpose, and design is a creative process. Hence why we have famous architects like for example Hundertwasser who's work is so highly regarded and distinctive.

    You wouldn't ask him (if he were still alive...) to design a modernist pared down Scandinavian style home because that's not what his signature style was.

    Designing a beautiful building is how they leave a legacy behind like any artist.
    Just as you wouldn't try and dictate to a visual artist what colours to use on their painting or what materials to use, so you wouldn't try and make an architect do something that was completely against their design ethos and aesthetic.

    All architects have their signature style and when you choose an architect you buy into that aesthetic. It's not like choosing a block layer for example where a brick wall is a brick wall no matter who does it.

    That's why you have to do your research and choose an architect whose style is similar to what you want for your own house.
    Of course there should be some give and take and listening to what the client wants, but ultimately if you're not prepared to buy into their trademark designs then you might as well find someone else, or design it yourself :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Sad really but I'm addicted to Room to Improve. Sunday night wouldn't be the same without watching people go €20 grand over budget in the first 5 minutes of the programme and the ones with notions and 15 page wish lists-that weapon from a few series ago!... but seeing their ideas come back down to reality with a bang after a visit from the QS :pac:

    I would:

    allow him to redesign the house. Where the rooms should go to maximise light, orientation, maximising space, designing rooms in a way I may never have though of, ceiling heights...all the things a good architect would help with when coming up with the basic design that I don't have the skillset or training to do most effectively myself. I'd like a set of drawings from him, but the rest I'd want to have control over.

    I'm not a huge fan of a lot of formal architecture and his clean contemporary minimalist style is a bit much for me -had to live with that for years in another country, but there's some elements I would like. I love high ceilings and his ideas of bringing the outside in. I love also that he brings so much light into his houses-lots of beautiful big windows and full height sliding patio doors, and he always wants to maximise a beautiful view.

    I wouldn't have him design my kitchen...I like colour and more traditional country style wooden cupboards! and there may be one or two white rooms but not the whole house like he does.

    Actually same for all the house. I mean most of his houses looks nice but I prefer more classic and quirky pieces that won't look dated in 5 years time, and lots of colour. For me a home is a reflection of my own style and taste, not a show house for the latest in interior fashion and design.

    There'd be no inside courtyards. And no pergolas! :D


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Greentopia wrote: »
    .

    Greentopia, I'm not sure why, but I find myself strangely attracted to you. Coherent posts, detailed; with more than a two line response. An avatar of a woman, to boot. I hope we never meet, as you could never live up to being the woman I picture you to be. :D



    But anyway...

    I did a house extension and partial renovation of the existing house about 3 years ago. I didn't know Room To Improve existed at the time, but I started watching it after I finished my own little project.

    I can honestly say, my extension looks very much like a Dermot Bannon project (albeit, it was on budget and possibly not finished to the same high end standard of his work).


    It's a flat roof extension, white walls, white gloss handle-less kitchen, large sliding door, lots of greys, glass internal doors, track lighting, etc.

    So I reckon if I was hiring Dermot Bannon we'd get on great together. However, as per the TV show, there'd have to be a single thing on the agenda that I wouldn't like, that he'd try to force through. But sure; I'd end up loving it in the end anyway (and claiming that I didn't understand his vision for it, until it was done) so it's all good. :pac:


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    A really good architect takes the existing building, or site, and works with what he or she has to get the best out of the existing setting into which their creation is slotted. The key thing is imagination.

    Dermot Bannon seems to always go for a generic neo-modernist reductive style - basically a glass box type extension, very open plan with recesses and steps, an inner courtyard if possible and if he can get away with it - a whopping big brutalist bare exposed concrete wall somewhere. It’s as if he hit on what he felt was a winning formula, and has stuck with it, with tweaking here and there depending on the aspects of his brief.

    Don’t get me wrong, his designs are ok and usually inoffensive. I’m sure he’s a rather good architect, but his lack of imagination says to me he is not a really great architect. A really great architect would be much more imaginative in reordering and expanding the living space.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭bassy


    No thanks dont need a green house as my home.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭md23040


    Only one thing to his credit, at the first client meeting he finds out the house’s southern aspect and builds around this. The amount of lazy architects that ignore this in a country with such very poor light is incredible.

    But like every architect on the planet with better insulation and windows available, he designs large open plan and high ceilings spaces. Why not create a cozy and economical house, when by comparison in winter his constructions must be impossible to heat. The cost of energy is going through the roof.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,592 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I wouldn't let project manage the hanging of a painting. He's a crap project manager, who specialises in finding things too late in the day to properly plan around them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    What gets me about shows like this is the amount of people who don’t put bannisters on the stairs. I can’t fathom sacrificing safety in the name of aesthetics.

    It’d be great if someone came up with a system of building regulations, and bannisters would be required where they were needed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,414 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Tell him he can use any colour except white.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Tell him I insist on an American fridge. The biggest money can buy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I’m currently in a hotel room in Bulgaria that has a clear glass wall on the bathroom:

    You press a button and it goes opaque. But they don’t tell you about the button (it’s hidden behind towels), I spent the first day wondering what kind of freak designed a room that let you see the toilet from the bed. Even though I’m here on my own, it freaked me out.

    i was in a hotel in warsaw that had something similiar never found a button to make it go opaque though !


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Is he doing it for free?

    Yes. Let him carry on.

    No. Ask him if he has Kevin McClouds (Grand Designs) number, as I show him the way out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,190 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I am doing work on a house at the moment, quite a lot but it doesn't involve any actual building so I am working with tradesmen. So far I have had two architect/engineer type people suggest that I should open the wall between the kitchen and the living room. Fair enough in theory. The problem is finding a builder to replace the door lintel in a supporting wall. I wouldn't be happy having my handyman/carpenter make holes in a structural wall and what do you think the chances are of finding a builder - any builder, probably one I don't know anything about - to just do that one small job? So the doorway stays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,334 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Is he doing it for free?

    Yes. Let him carry on.

    No. Ask him if he has Kevin McClouds (Grand Designs) number, as I show him the way out.

    I think if your on the show you get Dermot's service for free but you have to pay for the quantity surveyor!


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    I think if your on the show you get Dermot's service for free but you have to pay for the quantity surveyor!

    And for the 20k over spend if you agree to his 'this will make your house so much more attractive' ideas.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    Greentopia wrote: »
    But you know what to expect if you get someone like Dermot Bannon-white cubes, double height spaces etc etc. so why would anyone want him designing their house if that's not what you want too? architecture is a visual art form as well as having a practical purpose, and design is a creative process. Hence why we have famous architects like for example Hundertwasser who's work is so highly regarded and distinctive.

    You wouldn't ask him (if he were still alive...) to design a modernist pared down Scandinavian style home because that's not what his signature style was.

    Designing a beautiful building is how they leave a legacy behind like any artist.
    Just as you wouldn't try and dictate to a visual artist what colours to use on their painting or what materials to use, so you wouldn't try and make an architect do something that was completely against their design ethos and aesthetic.

    All architects have their signature style and when you choose an architect you buy into that aesthetic. It's not like choosing a block layer for example where a brick wall is a brick wall no matter who does it.

    That's why you have to do your research and choose an architect whose style is similar to what you want for your own house.
    Of course there should be some give and take and listening to what the client wants, but ultimately if you're not prepared to buy into their trademark designs then you might as well find someone else, or design it yourself :)

    I know what you're saying but I don't think all architects are necessarily at the artist end of the spectrum, I don't think Dermot Bannon is at a level where he is an architectural genius and should be given a free reign.

    If I was getting Michelangelo in to paint the ceilings I'd leave him at it, if I was getting my local painter and decorator in I'd be telling him exactly what I want done.

    In the same way, if I was getting a average architect in I'd be giving them a brief, listening to their professional feedback and then agreeing a plan. However if I was getting a talented architect in my brief would be very ahem... brief and I'd be excited to see what solution he would come up with.


  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭J DEERE


    I'd end up with an inner courtyard, a flat roofed extension, a folding glass wall to let light in and make the outside space part of the living area, concrete floors, a plywood kitchen and a €150k overspend.

    Of course, I wouldn't want any of them.

    Don't forget a concrete countertop. I've never understood why people would want exposed concrete anything in their house. It's a raw construction product


  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭J DEERE


    looksee wrote: »
    I am doing work on a house at the moment, quite a lot but it doesn't involve any actual building so I am working with tradesmen. So far I have had two architect/engineer type people suggest that I should open the wall between the kitchen and the living room. Fair enough in theory. The problem is finding a builder to replace the door lintel in a supporting wall. I wouldn't be happy having my handyman/carpenter make holes in a structural wall and what do you think the chances are of finding a builder - any builder, probably one I don't know anything about - to just do that one small job? So the doorway stays.

    It's relatively easy in practice too. If ur engineer and architect are suggesting it surely they can give you a drawing. Any decent tradesman could do it even without a drawing


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    more of a Grand Designs man myself

    budget runs out in the first six months, builders leave, heavily pregnant wife in tears staring out the window of a damp mobile home on site as the broken husband turns his hand to stone masonry


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    kneemos wrote: »
    Tell him he can use any colour except white.

    And grey! All his designs seem to be completely lacking in colour. Everything is usually either white or some shade of grey. So sterile and boring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Oasis1974


    Would he come recommended this guy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    Greentopia, I'm not sure why, but I find myself strangely attracted to you. Coherent posts, detailed; with more than a two line response. An avatar of a woman, to boot. I hope we never meet, as you could never live up to being the woman I picture you to be. :D

    Ah shtop...I'm blushing... thank you, you're very kind. Here's to never meeting then! *clink of glasses* :D


    I can honestly say, my extension looks very much like a Dermot Bannon project (albeit, it was on budget and possibly not finished to the same high end standard of his work).


    It's a flat roof extension, white walls, white gloss handle-less kitchen, large sliding door, lots of greys, glass internal doors, track lighting, etc.

    Ticking a lot of his boxes there alright! I think as long as you got good tradespeople to do the work and you're satisfied with how it turned out then there's no reason why it wouldn't be up to the same standard.

    You'll see some of his projects where it's all local labour used-Joe and Mary's house in Borrisoleigh last week for example, and it looked every bit as good as any of the other houses built with outside labour.
    So I reckon if I was hiring Dermot Bannon we'd get on great together. However, as per the TV show, there'd have to be a single thing on the agenda that I wouldn't like, that he'd try to force through. But sure; I'd end up loving it in the end anyway (and claiming that I didn't understand his vision for it, until it was done) so it's all good. :pac:

    It wouldn't be good tv if everyone agreed 100% with what he wanted, and he sometimes comes round to agreeing that the client was right with what they wanted and he was wrong, so he's not completely intractable and unwilling to countenance differing opinions.

    He doesn't charge for his services on the show either apparently so I wouldn't be inclined to argue too much with someone offering such a service for free if it's the kind of look I was going for anyway. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Dermot Bannon seems to always go for a generic neo-modernist reductive style - basically a glass box type extension, very open plan with recesses and steps, an inner courtyard if possible and if he can get away with it - a whopping big brutalist bare exposed concrete wall somewhere. It’s as if he hit on what he felt was a winning formula, and has stuck with it, with tweaking here and there depending on the aspects of his brief.

    Would agree. Exposed concrete walls I haven't seen much of though. The steps I can't deal with. Can imagine that as an accident waiting to happen when I'd stumble to the bathroom at night half asleep or to the kitchen.

    To be fair I think most architects replicate a signature look for most of their work where they have set budgets to work within.
    Where they get a chance to let lose with their creativity is where they're working with clients with big budgets or public buildings where their brief is much different and they can be imaginative and innovative, not restricted to the demands of private clients.
    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Don’t get me wrong, his designs are ok and usually inoffensive. I’m sure he’s a rather good architect, but his lack of imagination says to me he is not a really great architect. A really great architect would be much more imaginative in reordering and expanding the living space.

    I think he does play it safe too much, but then I think a lot of contemporary architectural design in this country is like that. I wish they were braver and took more inspiration from our own natural environment and built heritage- vernacular in particular rather than doing copies of the latest Nordic trends which can end up looking derivative.

    All that white works very well there because they're in darkness for much of the year, and we're not much different but our light is not the same. They don't have that watery greyness and fast moving clouds on our landscapes that we do and I often think snow white on walls here often ends up looking dirge grey, especially in Winter. And especially in small spaces.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    more of a Grand Designs man myself

    budget runs out in the first six months, builders leave, heavily pregnant wife in tears staring out the window of a damp mobile home on site as the broken husband turns his hand to stone masonry

    I prefer the builds where some new age hippy builds a hobbit home from old tyres, straw and mud for the cost of a fancy fridge.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭GRACKEA


    I'd let him dress me tbh


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