Ireland v Wales 07/09/2019

Rockbeast2 · 08-09-2019 01:16AM

AKI is more Irish than me at this stage.

He and Killer are starters on my team to beat Haggis Munchers and Sushi sluts

CMcsporty · 08-09-2019 01:30AM

molloyjh wrote: »

This thread is actually just funny at this point. After the England game people were calling for heads. Players were finished. The whole thing was a bust. That it was a first game of the season for most was irrelevant. Strangely those players all improved and that showed today. So what have those who should have learned their lesson been saying here? The same thing about other players starting their first game of the season. Gas altogether. Double down lads, sure what could go wrong.

As for the game, I was very happy with that. The attitude, the physicality, the speed on both sides of the ball were all really good. As someone else said a few posts back, we're trending upwards. We looked to put width on the ball a fair bit again. Wanted to play at pace and at times caused Wales a lot of trouble there. And we if I'm not mistaken we haven't shown any strike plays in the warm ups either. Defensively we seemed to be really strong on when to attack rucks and when not. We disrupted really well at times. Our line speed was such that Wales rarely got much in the way of front foot ball. For their part I thought Wales were disappointing. And what was up with J Davies? But we showed everything we would have wanted to today and fingers crossed Earls is okay. If he is we lucked out on the injury front this time around in the warm ups. What's not to like.

Just rewatching it here. Were you at the match or watching on tv? On the TV you can see welsh defense was relatively passive and just shepherded Ireland along. The only success’s in phase play was when they got Jonathan Davies in the line e.g. VdF break and Kearney try. Davies looked off the pace but even he could read that stupid bloody loop by Sexton at HT.
There was good bits to really get excited about
1. No injuries
2. Best looked a bit better
3. Furlong got through a Trojan amount of work.
4. James Ryan. Just amazing
5. Henshaw was sharp and fast! Linked up well with Aki. A few offloads.
6. Kearney also looked sharp
7. CJ looked reenergised
8. Killer
but also Plenty not to like
1.Sexton looked undercooked. And Brittle. Only played 62mins.
2.Lineouts weren’t good. Best did ok for 20min or so. Scannell should be starting
3.Murray- Brave as always. But everything is just slower than it used to be.
4.Ireland still look a bit clueless beyond kicking on advantage penalty. Have a proper cut!!
5. Kleyn. He could barely get up off the ground after 40mins. And Physicality...hitting rucks? Minimal impact.
6. McGrath didn’t up the tempo and also looked undercooked
7. Conan didn’t have much impact and I think CJ will get his spot back
8. Wales appeared to be disinterested. Particularly in the second half

Not sure what you are ranting about in the first part of your post. People shouldn’t criticise players? e.g this is Sextons first game back. He looked rusty. But nobody should say..or even discuss this? Or be allowed to get alarmed by it?
Come on now! It’s great that people get worked up about it!

Strumms · 08-09-2019 01:48AM

Sexton had a weird game...looks incredibly rusty, he was peripheral for much of the game which is not in keeping with his very influential demeanor..

Rockbeast2 · 08-09-2019 01:52AM

^^ Sexton was atrocious.

I thought Murray was better, but then I thought he was carrying his arm for entire second half.

Neither fit IMO

08-09-2019 02:22AM

CMcsporty wrote: »

Just seen Earls kick the welsh loose head in the face!
He was been held in a ruck and kicked him in the face trying to get free.
Innocent

Really? What time of the match did this happen?

Chiparus · 08-09-2019 05:31AM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

I've mentioned on here before about Andy Porter's diminutive size. It was apparent when he shook President Michael D Higgin's hand. They are almost the same height.

Michael D is 6 foot?
Who knew?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Porter_(rugby_union)

Dubinusa · 08-09-2019 05:37AM

Thought we played well.
Kilcoyne is fantastic off the bench. Massive impact.
Ruddock was great too! Henderson is just so athletic and as strong as feck.
Ryan was simply incredible. Standers was very good. Thought that VDF was on another level. I may be in the minority, but I think Conan was very tidy and effective.
Murray's was good, Sexton a mixed bag, but looks like he's not far off the pace.
Larmour is a beast! Rucks like a back row. I thought he was superb. He's doing the basics very well. RK was very good. The centers were good, but no inventiveness.
Ring rose has not been the same since his shoulder surgery.
Best of luck to Rory. Great player.
Kleyn still hasn't impressed me at all!
Tadg was just Tadg. A man mountain.

molloyjh · 08-09-2019 07:29AM

Of course Sexton looked undercooked. It was his first game. That was to be expected. And if people didnt expect that then they were being incredibly daft. He wasnt a million miles off though so it's all good. People need to temper their opinions with a little bit of context and grounding. Surely that was the lesson from the England game? We are only on our way to peaking, which is exactly where we should be at this stage. You dont judge yesterdays game in isolation. You judge it as part of a building process that's at least 6 weeks long, if not 10 weeks. We're only in week 4. So we should only be about half way there. When looking at it in that context then yesterday was a very positive display.

Shefwedfan · 08-09-2019 07:50AM

molloyjh wrote: »

Of course Sexton looked undercooked. It was his first game. That was to be expected. And if people didnt expect that then they were being incredibly daft. He wasnt a million miles off though so it's all good. People need to temper their opinions with a little bit of context and grounding. Surely that was the lesson from the England game? We are only on our way to peaking, which is exactly where we should be at this stage. You dont judge yesterdays game in isolation. You judge it as part of a building process that's at least 6 weeks long, if not 10 weeks. We're only in week 4. So we should only be about half way there. When looking at it in that context then yesterday was a very positive display.

Sexton could have played a 8/9 out of 10 yesterday and you would still have the same posters saying he is finished and he needs to be replaced

Also if ringrose came on and scored a hat trick you would have the same posters saying Xyz is now the nailed on starter

McGrath comes on and plays ok, of course expect posts about why he was picked. He could have been incredible and you have the same posts

It seems people are not reviewing the games and just look at the game to try and find problem with a player so they can replace with another player...

For all the calls that Larmour was this/that and the other I have yet to see many of these posters compliment him on a great game?

Not a lot saying our back row was balanced and Stander looked great at 6

It was our best performance but still a way to go. But that’s the point of preseason and it looks like Joe and his team know what they are doing....

Would I be happy with that starting 15 against Scotland? Maybe, will it be the starting 15? No....Stockdale will come in...Kleyn is new and I don’t think they have got his prep right as he looked dead on feet after 30 mins...few small tweaks....let’s hope earls is ok and Carberry is bavk

Still at end of day we could lose v Scotland and like after the England game, don’t chase the rest of the games. Just follow the plan and win the rest. NZ or SA then in qtr and see who is left standing

Onwards and upwards

DeiseNew · 08-09-2019 07:50AM

Rory Best is easily the oldest looking 37 year old i have ever seen in my life. He looks at least 10 years older than that.

Shefwedfan · 08-09-2019 08:00AM

DeiseNew wrote: »

Rory Best is easily the oldest looking 37 year old i have ever seen in my life. He looks at least 10 years older than that.

The old unshaven look adds a few years

All My Stars Aligned · 08-09-2019 08:22AM

What pleased me the most about the game was our defense. Throughout 2019 we have had no line speed, been falling off tackles and showing no real commitment.Yesterday we looked very solid.

Should we continue to improve and have a bit of luck with injuries we are likely to at least be competitive come the 1/4's.

On the evidence of yesterday JS may of gotten his timing right so we peak at the right time.

08-09-2019 09:56AM

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

What pleased me the most about the game was our defense. Throughout 2019 we have had no line speed, been falling off tackles and showing no real commitment.Yesterday we looked very solid.

Should we continue to improve and have a bit of luck with injuries we are likely to at least be competitive come the 1/4's.

On the evidence of yesterday JS may of gotten his timing right so we peak at the right time.

I think Ryan makes a huge difference there. He makes a lot of offensive tackles, it puts the opposition on the back foot. Similar to what England did to us.

thebaz · 08-09-2019 10:05AM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

^^ Sexton was atrocious.

Thats just a lie - his first game back and he was ok - less of the dramatics

08-09-2019 10:22AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

He played 25 mins last week on the wing and half hour on the wing today. I will be very surprised if that’s how Schmidt has chosen to get him ready for the World Cup opener if he was going to play 13.

I think you are confirming things to yourself here. Ringrose may be seen as a super sub, or he might be off form or carrying a knock.

Alternatively Joe might be getting him time on the wings should we need cover there. That could mean he is the 23 or it could mean whoever is the 23 will be a centre with Ringrose capable of drifting out and Henshaw capable of dropping back to 15. I think Carty and Carbery are more likely to go fullback in a game however.

Eitherway, Ruddocks game time suggested he wasn't travelling. Our centre pairing and pecking order is still completely fluid and may stay that way with combinations picked to do a specific job against specific teams.

Two other things about our mid field yesterday. They had a significant platform from a highly aggressive pack. Secondly the ball died in mid field a lot. Without knowing how Ireland plan to bring our wings into the game its hard to predict what's going to be done with our centres. Ringrose is head and shoulders the best distributor and Second pivot.

I wouldn't be surprised with an Aki Henshaw first choice pairing. Just wouldn't be betting anything important in it just yet.

The biggest story yesterday was our defence. Wales got wide of us a few times and were closed down. Took an intercept break to give them field position for a try.

Birdie Num Num · 08-09-2019 12:22PM

thebaz wrote: »

Thats just a lie - his first game back and he was ok - less of the dramatics

I didn’t see too much wrong with his game. Two missed conversions, a bad kick from hand and shipped a pass to Biggar but still I couldn’t be too critical of his performance. Maybe if we lost I might look at it differently but had we lost there would have likely been others to be critical off too. Biggar’s interception was emailed in advance. Great all round performance though.

mrpdap · 08-09-2019 02:05PM

Lads,
Are there any videos or highlights available?
Anything that I find is unavailable here (Ireland).
Thanks

08-09-2019 02:07PM

mrpdap wrote: »

Lads,
Are there any videos or highlights available?
Anything that I find is unavailable here (Ireland).
Thanks

Will the full match suffice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkX4TgDMyZc

thomond2006 · 08-09-2019 02:08PM

I don't think you can have many complaints. Ireland were dominant and another try on the board towards the end would have better reflected the play.

Murray's performance in particular was great to see after a poor enough back 9 of 2018/19 post injury. Henshaw was a big presence in midfield. Kilcoyne has to be the winner of these last 5 weeks, he's been immense.

I'm a lot more hopeful today than this day two weeks ago.

mrpdap · 08-09-2019 02:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Will the full match suffice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkX4TgDMyZc

Wonderful
Thanks

errlloyd · 08-09-2019 02:12PM

It was very good. Composed. Not without error, but with way fewer errors.

Still a little annoyed we didn't convert 5 or 6 set piece chances from 5m out.

jacothelad · 08-09-2019 02:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you are confirming things to yourself here. Ringrose may be seen as a super sub, or he might be off form or carrying a knock.

Alternatively Joe might be getting him time on the wings should we need cover there. That could mean he is the 23 or it could mean whoever is the 23 will be a centre with Ringrose capable of drifting out and Henshaw capable of dropping back to 15. I think Carty and Carbery are more likely to go fullback in a game however.

Eitherway, Ruddocks game time suggested he wasn't travelling. Our centre pairing and pecking order is still completely fluid and may stay that way with combinations picked to do a specific job against specific teams.

Two other things about our mid field yesterday. They had a significant platform from a highly aggressive pack. Secondly the ball died in mid field a lot. Without knowing how Ireland plan to bring our wings into the game its hard to predict what's going to be done with our centres. Ringrose is head and shoulders the best distributor and Second pivot.

I wouldn't be surprised with an Aki Henshaw first choice pairing. Just wouldn't be betting anything important in it just yet.

The biggest story yesterday was our defence. Wales got wide of us a few times and were closed down. Took an intercept break to give them field position for a try.

Just like Scotland in the 6 N's.

thesiegeof · 08-09-2019 02:30PM

Caught up on the game. Clearly it was far more encouraging, especially in defence but still some real worries. The lineout and the fact that we can be closed out so easily. I hope we're just keeping moves for the world cup but I'm worried that the big teams will nullify our attack with not much issue. By big teams I mean South Africa/New Zealand in the quarter final.

stephen_n · 08-09-2019 02:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you are confirming things to yourself here. Ringrose may be seen as a super sub, or he might be off form or carrying a knock.

Alternatively Joe might be getting him time on the wings should we need cover there. That could mean he is the 23 or it could mean whoever is the 23 will be a centre with Ringrose capable of drifting out and Henshaw capable of dropping back to 15. I think Carty and Carbery are more likely to go fullback in a game however.

Eitherway, Ruddocks game time suggested he wasn't travelling. Our centre pairing and pecking order is still completely fluid and may stay that way with combinations picked to do a specific job against specific teams.

Two other things about our mid field yesterday. They had a significant platform from a highly aggressive pack. Secondly the ball died in mid field a lot. Without knowing how Ireland plan to bring our wings into the game its hard to predict what's going to be done with our centres. Ringrose is head and shoulders the best distributor and Second pivot.

I wouldn't be surprised with an Aki Henshaw first choice pairing. Just wouldn't be betting anything important in it just yet.

The biggest story yesterday was our defence. Wales got wide of us a few times and were closed down. Took an intercept break to give them field position for a try.

I would imagine the plan was to replace Henshaw at 60 mins but Earls getting injured put paid to that. Ringrose is as nailed on as it gets, the question is who starts at 12.

thebaz · 08-09-2019 05:22PM

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

I didn’t see too much wrong with his game. Two missed conversions, a bad kick from hand and shipped a pass to Biggar but still I couldn’t be too critical of his performance.

that really was the point i was making - he was grand - some other poster said he was atrocious - i was just trying to balance it up - if Johnnys stays fit, should have a huge influence on how Ireland perform in Japan.

ionadnapóca · 08-09-2019 05:31PM

stephen_n wrote: »

I would imagine the plan was to replace Henshaw at 60 mins but Earls getting injured put paid to that. Ringrose is as nailed on as it gets, the question is who starts at 12.

I can only see Aki and Ringrose for Scotland.
Henshaw looked in great nick but Probably on the bench for Scotland and starts v Japan.

arsebiscuits1 · 08-09-2019 06:24PM

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

I've mentioned on here before about Andy Porter's diminutive size. It was apparent when he shook President Michael D Higgin's hand. They are almost the same height.

Dimunitive size??!!

He's easily over 120kgs and Irish Rugby have him listed as 6'0. They have Killer down as 6'0 also and Larmour as 5'10

Given how they lined up here that's very believable.

Almost the same as Michael D.... that's hilarious

Stheno · 08-09-2019 06:39PM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Dimunitive size??!! He's easily over 120kgs and Irish Rugby have him listed as 6'0. They have Killer down as 6'0 also and Larmour as 5'10

Given how they lined up here that's very believable.

Almost the same as Michael D.... that's hilarious

James Ryan is six eight which might explain it?

Henry Ford III · 08-09-2019 09:22PM

Porter is an unusual shape. He has a huge ass.

p.s. The Aviva is a very average stadium. It was eerily quiet there at times yesterday.

troyzer · 08-09-2019 09:47PM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Porter is an unusual shape. He has a huge ass.

p.s. The Aviva is a very average stadium. It was eerily quiet there at times yesterday.

It's called being absolutely stacked.

Warm ups are always quiet. The Millennium was dead last week. Though it's no secret that the Aviva is worse than most even during high intensity games.

Ireland v Wales 07/09/2019

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