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Joe_ Public · 07-09-2019 09:28PM

I agree. Too little too late for Rudd to reclaim any honour as far as i'm concerned. Plus, why didn't she speak out last week when it was all going down and her colleagues could have done with her support?

Patser · 07-09-2019 09:34PM

Big blow to Boris's credibility and semblance of balance in his cabinet - its increasingly becoming just Boris and his cronies.

Edit: Wonder about the timing, will it make Sunday paper headlines, or are they all printed and gone now

Inquitus · 07-09-2019 09:36PM

Amber Rudd resigns from Cabinet and Party

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49623737

Strazdas · 07-09-2019 09:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Brexit hard man Steve Barclay has written an Op ed for the Telegraph tomorrow.

It's pay walled. Anyone have the gist of it?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/07/eu-setting-test-impossible-meet/

From the comments underneath, he appears to be going on about the "undemocratic backstop" : a nonsense article aimed at the Brexit faithful obviously

Headshot · 07-09-2019 09:38PM

Andrew Marr and Sophy Ridge tomorrow, going to be great tv

Tell me how · 07-09-2019 09:41PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Amber Rudd resigns from Cabinet and Party

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49623737

The entire article. Bold added by me.

Amber Rudd has quit the cabinet and Conservative Party saying she cannot "stand by" while "loyal moderate Conservatives are expelled".
The work and pensions secretary said she no longer believed leaving the EU with a deal was the government's "main objective".
She described the sacking of 21 Tory MPs on Tuesday as an "assault on decency and democracy".
The MP for Hastings and Rye supported Remain in 2016 referendum.

There are only 69 words in the article (breaking sat night news in fairness) but those last 11 words are fairly telling.
They are all but calling her a remoaner and will lead many readers to respond with 'Good riddance'.

Impartial BBC....

fr336 · 07-09-2019 09:42PM

Everyone should keep an eye on Michael Gove. Unlike Boris, a true leaver. Someone who wants to leave but not no deal. Will he make a move for the leadership? Sounds mad but if Boris has another week like this anything is possible.

Strazdas · 07-09-2019 09:42PM

Patser wrote: »

Big blow to Boris's credibility and semblance of balance in his cabinet - its increasingly becoming just Boris and his cronies.

Edit: Wonder about the timing, will it make Sunday paper headlines, or are they all printed and gone now

Plenty of time for the later editions. Many haven't published their front page yet.

An Ciarraioch · 07-09-2019 09:43PM

If tonight's polls are right, and Johnson remains on course for an overall majority, will we have to ramp up no deal preparations, or could he revert to an Irish Sea solution, having cast off the DUP?

Strazdas · 07-09-2019 09:45PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I agree. Too little too late for Rudd to reclaim any honour as far as i'm concerned. Plus, why didn't she speak out last week when it was all going down and her colleagues could have done with her support?

I wouldn't be as harsh on her. She was never in the Grieve-Clarke camp and may have been struggling a lot more with the idea of rebelling or quitting the party.

Tell me how · 07-09-2019 09:46PM

fr336 wrote: »

Everyone should keep an eye on Michael Gove. Unlike Boris, a true leaver. Someone who wants to leave but not no deal. Will he make a move for the leadership? Sounds mad but if Boris has another week like this anything is possible.

Watching him at a select committee during the week, he certainly sounded more like a PM than Boris has managed.

Would his coke exploits be enough to derail him I wonder? Not sure how well liked he is, he's not the true blue-blood type they normally go for in the conservatives.

ninebeanrows · 07-09-2019 09:48PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If tonight's polls are right, and Johnson remains on course for an overall majority, will we have to ramp up no deal preparations, or could he revert to an Irish Sea solution, having cast off the DUP?

Any government with large majority will pass a version of WA, backstop under different name

We will be grand once there isnt a feck up

Larbre34 · 07-09-2019 09:51PM

Rudd waited for the Johnson/Cummings response to the Commons carry-on before she jumped. Only after long consideration of the effects for herself has she resigned. Another snake with leadership ambitions who wants now to put clear water between herself and Boris now that its all been "spaffed up the wall."

L1011 · 07-09-2019 09:51PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Any government with large majority will pass a version of WA, backstop under different name

We will be grand once there isnt a feck up

NI-only Backstop not UK-wide one, though

Strazdas · 07-09-2019 09:55PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Rudd waited for the Johnson/Cummings response to the Commons carry-on before she jumped. Only after long consideration of the effects for herself has she resigned. Another snake with leadership ambitions who wants now to put clear water between herself and Boris now that its all been "spaffed up the wall."

She's left the party though?

briany · 07-09-2019 09:58PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If tonight's polls are right, and Johnson remains on course for an overall majority, will we have to ramp up no deal preparations, or could he revert to an Irish Sea solution, having cast off the DUP?

That depends on who comprises the Conservative party after a GE where they win an overall majority. It comes down to which people are forecast to win the extra seats. If its MPs more sympathetic to the ERG's view, then the Conservatives will surely drift even further from agreeing anything close to May's deal, and they may also have the numbers to defeat another bill to extend Brexit, meaning the only positive about another 3-month extension is that we here in Ireland can get our Christmas shopping done on Amazon.co.uk with no hassle.

At this point, I think the cadre of those in the Cons who want no-deal would be happy with no-deal in perpetuity, and the idea they use to salve concerns that the EU would come back on its knees to the UK would only be a bonus. If it didn't happen, it would be no skin off their nose.

Tactically, there's nothing to be gained by the opposition in voting for a GE in the near future, if electoral polls are to be believed. They already are the government, in effect.

Larbre34 · 07-09-2019 10:03PM

Strazdas wrote: »

She's left the party though?

You think the Tories will be long without those 23? I don't, at least most of them. In the longer run it will be Boris and the ERG marginalised. Someone will have to pick up the pieces and it will have to be someone not there when Boris finally implodes.

Mr.Nice Guy · 07-09-2019 10:04PM

Wow, thought Johnson might at least have an easy time of it over the weekend!

Imreoir2 · 07-09-2019 10:08PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I agree. Too little too late for Rudd to reclaim any honour as far as i'm concerned. Plus, why didn't she speak out last week when it was all going down and her colleagues could have done with her support?

Dunno, there is something to be said for a slow drip being more damaging for Johnson than one big event and then everything goes back to relative normality. Losing a minister would not get the coverage it is getting if it happend on the same day as 21 MPs are kicked out.

Water John · 07-09-2019 10:17PM

Rudd hasn't resigned from the Conservative Party.
She is a personal friend of the PM. She believed that he was to pursue a deal but wanted the No Deal option just for bargaining, very naive of her. She has now found out how misled she was.

It's weird, like an alternative reality listening the Tories trying to spin something positive out of this week.

Jizique · 07-09-2019 10:20PM

Water John wrote: »

Rudd hasn't resigned from the Conservative Party.
She is a personal friend of the PM. She believed that he was to pursue a deal but wanted the No Deal option just for bargaining, very naive of her. She has now found out how misled she was.

It's weird, like an alternative reality listening the Tories trying to spin something positive out of this week.

She has resigned from the party - if she runs again, it will be as an independent conservative, whatever that is

Water John · 07-09-2019 10:23PM

None of the 21 have resigned from the Conservative Party, doubt she has resigned from the party. Don't see anything saying she has in her letter.

Bigus · 07-09-2019 10:25PM

Jizique wrote: »

She has resigned from the party - if she runs again, it will be as an independent conservative, whatever that is

Amber Rudd has resigned from the cabinet.

listermint · 07-09-2019 10:26PM

Sunday times running with story of 6 other ministers with the same thought process

https://twitter.com/stokel/status/1170436321434832896?s=20

Perhaps they don't want to be part of the farage party. As That's all that's left of the conservatives

Tell me how · 07-09-2019 10:26PM

Water John wrote: »

None of the 21 have resigned from the Conservative Party, doubt she has resigned from the party.

From the BBC

Amber Rudd has quit the cabinet and Conservative Party saying she cannot "stand by" while "loyal moderate Conservatives are expelled".

The work and pensions secretary said she no longer believed leaving the EU with a deal was the government's "main objective".

Ms Rudd described the sacking of 21 Tory MPs on Tuesday as an "assault on decency and democracy".

Labour said her resignation showed the government was "falling apart".

The MP for Hastings and Rye, who supported Remain in the 2016 referendum, said her resignation had been "a difficult decision".

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 10:32PM

listermint wrote: »

Sunday times running with story of 6 other ministers with the same thought process

https://twitter.com/stokel/status/1170436321434832896?s=20

Perhaps they don't want to be part of the farage party. As That's all that's left of the conservatives

The Tories are becoming the eton branch of the national front

Kermit.de.frog · 07-09-2019 10:34PM

Being reported tomorrow that No 10 is going to refuse to appoint new EU commissioner and thus the EU will have no choice but to kick the UK out.

briany · 07-09-2019 10:36PM

Jizique wrote: »

independent conservative, whatever that is

Considering the amount of Conservatives who have recently become independent, I'd say it's a schism.

Harry Palmr · 07-09-2019 10:36PM

Are people a bit slow to get up to speed tonight - Rudd is no longer a member of the party.

In other news Labour have lost another MP - Angela Jones is now a LIb Dem so both the main parties are repelling the mainstream. Oh hang on Smith already resigned once didn't she?

Tell me how · 07-09-2019 10:38PM

declanflynn wrote: »

The Tories are becoming the eton branch of the national front

It's all very filmy but the upcoming general election really has a sense of thriller about it. What alliances will be made, who is yet to jump ship, what underhand tricks are going to be pulled and so on and so on.

Would Farage be happy to sacrifice his new party and the supposed 600 candidates entirely, just to deliver Brexit?
Will someone realise that Corbyn is still a vote getter for the Tories as much as for Labour?

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