Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Infini · 06-09-2019 10:30AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Now that the DUP are in effect out of the equation....their votes mean nothing now....I would have thought BJ would have jumped at NI only backstop, which EU would agree to (did previously), and put revised WA to the HoC? Might be one way of delivering Brexit?

Honestly cosidering the level of stupidity at this point I dont believe they're interested in anything but a car crash Brexit. Our side needs to prepare for this as its the most likely outcome if Boris isnt given the boot and if they eventually do that when they eventually come crawling back that theyre forced to take whatever deal is on the table if its Boris still in charge.

That bring said if parliment has decided to ask for an extention and theres an election they should give another short extention to allow a new government to be formed expecially if Labour gets in. At least them yhere might be an orderly process then and some class and dignity restored to the UK.

hollypink · 06-09-2019 10:32AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Was Gina Miller the reason that the Withdrawal Agreement had to be passed by the House of Commons?

No, that case ruled that parliament had to vote on triggering Article 50.

am i bovvered · 06-09-2019 10:37AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Now that the DUP are in effect out of the equation....their votes mean nothing now....I would have thought BJ would have jumped at NI only backstop, which EU would agree to (did previously), and put revised WA to the HoC? Might be one way of delivering Brexit?

Given the extreme sh1tshow we are witnessing, I believe this is a good call and would have a chance of passing.
Now, how do we get this idea into the brain of Boris ?

DOCARCH · 06-09-2019 10:42AM

am i bovvered wrote: »

Given the extreme sh1tshow we are witnessing, I believe this is a good call and would have a chance of passing.
Now, how do we get this idea into the brain of Boris ?

To sort of answer my own suggestion, after 4 days of HoC sitting, I think BJ is now toxic and is now a lame duck! I think anything he proposes will simply be rejected!

If he had suggest NI backstop before all the sh**show of this week, there may have been a slim chance of getting it passed. On the other hand there is a large cohort in his own party who very simply want no deal/nothing/crash out.

prawnsambo · 06-09-2019 10:44AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The modern equivalent would be a bullet proof vest. Anyone who walks in there wearing one is up to no good. Sounds like a good law to me.

Police officers on duty being arrested for breaking a 14th century law would look good alright.

elli21 · 06-09-2019 10:44AM

I was listening to the Ferrari show on LBC when Dr Nichols asked JRM the question.JRM told The Dr he should be ashamed of phoning in to create fear.Ferrari reapetedly told the Dr that he had no idea if he was a DR or not.

Dr Nichols said yesterday that he didn't phone LBC...they phoned him to talk to JRM but he was only permitted one question...He thought it was strange that he was intruduced as Dave from Birmingham.Ferrari clearly lying IMO that he had no idea that Nichols was a DR

ancapailldorcha · 06-09-2019 10:51AM

Mod: No insults please. There is a warning in the OP and the thread title.

10000maniacs · 06-09-2019 10:51AM

jm08 wrote: »

I don't think that was a racist rant, more an answer to either BSE or Foot and Mouth when the British Beef and Lamb industry was wiped out and British Beef banned from Europe. Paisley agreed that Northern Irish Beef was now Irish! That entailed checks coming in from GB onto the island of Ireland.

Yeah, maybe. He didn't use the words "Antichrists", "rabbits" and "vermin" in that one. But it sounded a tad multi pronged to me. That is just my opinion BTW.

Infini · 06-09-2019 10:58AM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

The DUP have (had) a large support in the agri industry. They know fine well that when it comes to keeping blue tongue, FMD, etc out of the herd it makes full sense to check the animals at point of entry to NI from GB.
Anything else and they would lose significant support to the UUP.

Honestly I wonder if they'll even have anywhere near as much support in the next GE expecially if the Alliance targets them for their incompentence. They really need to be cleaned out theyre unfit for any government.

fash · 06-09-2019 11:00AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

To sort of answer my own suggestion, after 4 days of HoC sitting, I think BJ is now toxic and is now a lame duck! I think anything he proposes will simply be rejected!

If he had suggest NI backstop before all the sh**show of this week, there may have been a slim chance of getting it passed. On the other hand there is a large cohort in his own party who very simply want no deal/nothing/crash out.

Johnson certainly will not do a WA before an election as the only way to be "more brexity than the others" is not to agree to reality/something acceptable. Even on the slim chance he could do something like sign a WA with an NI only backstop under the current circumstances, it would do him little good going into an election with the brexiters calling him a traitor/sell out etc.

In order to crush the alternative brexit party, he must first win an election - which is the first priority and potentially gets him 5 years.
It is hard to say what would happen in the UK given the FPTP system and the current mood of the electorate. However I certainly wouldn't bet a huge amount on him not winning - the opposition is too divided in philosophy and in vote splitting.
The question is then what would he do. I'm afraid I'm quite pessimistic that he would in fact sign any WA. I get the impression based on his language and their proposals (no level playing field etc.) that with a majority, Johnson would simply leave without a deal - and use the next 5 years to ride it out.

Water John · 06-09-2019 11:05AM

Pergrinus, Johnson offered one other option for himself which you did not include in his list of options, to die in a ditch.

josip · 06-09-2019 11:18AM

Water John wrote: »

Pergrinus, Johnson offered one other option for himself which you did not include in his list of options, to die in a ditch.

I believe this forum places a lot importance on accuracy, so I'd like to correct the above; what he actually said was he'd rather, "be dead in a ditch".
So he could actually die elsewhere, and Cummings for example, could move his body to the ditch after he had expired.

Water John · 06-09-2019 11:22AM

Well his tussle with a bull today in Scotland might indicate where he may die:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/06/brexit-boris-johnson-news-latest-eu-labour-confirms-it-will-not-vote-on-monday-night-for-early-election-live-newsbior

The PM having a tug of war with John Bull, only one winner there. Johnson lost again.
Whatever about Johnson, the Tories are dead in Scotland.

newport2 · 06-09-2019 11:24AM

Water John wrote: »

Well his tussle with a bull today in Scotland might indicate where he may die:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/06/brexit-boris-johnson-news-latest-eu-labour-confirms-it-will-not-vote-on-monday-night-for-early-election-live-newsbior

Whatever about Johnson, the Tories are dead in Scotland.

He's finally trying to rein in his bull!

Calina · 06-09-2019 11:26AM

Water John wrote: »

Pergrinus, Johnson offered one other option for himself which you did not include in his list of options, to die in a ditch.

I dunno, I visited the world war 1 trenches near Ypres, about 20 years ago. It is not a pleasant way to go.

lawred2 · 06-09-2019 11:31AM

Calina wrote: »

I dunno, I visited the world war 1 trenches near Ypres, about 20 years ago. It is not a pleasant way to go.

surely they are just fields now?

have they preserved a whole section of trenches and tunnels as they were? Thought they were nearly all filled in!

06-09-2019 11:32AM

lawred2 wrote: »

surely they are just fields now?

Too much munitions to dispose of if I remember correctly. It's a no go zone.

Zubeneschamali · 06-09-2019 11:34AM

josip wrote: »

So he could actually die elsewhere, and Cummings for example, could move his body to the ditch after he had expired.

He was dying on his feet giving that speech.

Then questions:

BBC5: Arent people entitled to ask, if your own brother can't back you, why should anyone else?

ITV: If your own brother has lost faith in your plan, surely you will have to be the next member of the Johnson family to resign?

SKY: When you became PM, you said you would unite the country. Instead, you are splitting your party, and now even your own brother...

Absolutely brutal stuff.

prawnsambo · 06-09-2019 11:36AM

lawred2 wrote: »

surely they are just fields now?

have they preserved a whole section of trenches and tunnels as they were? Thought they were nearly all filled in!

Yeah It's classified as a museum.

maebee · 06-09-2019 11:46AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He was dying on his feet giving that speech.

Then questions:

BBC5: Arent people entitled to ask, if your own brother can't back you, why should anyone else?

ITV: If your own brother has lost faith in your plan, surely you will have to be the next member of the Johnson family to resign?

SKY: When you became PM, you said you would unite the country. Instead, you are splitting your party, and now even your own brother...

Absolutely brutal stuff.

And today his sister is wading in with her tuppence worth. Oh to be a fly on the wall at their next family gathering - if there ever is one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7434617/Rachel-Johnson-says-Boris-member-family-thinks-Brexit-good-idea.html

Seth Brundle · 06-09-2019 12:01PM

Mod: Lets keep the discussion on topic and mature

ath262 · 06-09-2019 12:11PM

after their meeting the opposition parties have said they will all vote against or abstain on Monday's Vote on an election

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1169923732627959809

Seth Brundle · 06-09-2019 12:12PM

Weatherspoons dropping their prices to show the benefits of leaving the customs union - but the UK is still in the customs union

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1169887796439343104

gmisk · 06-09-2019 12:15PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Weatherspoons dropping their prices to show the benefits of leaving the customs union - but the UK is still in the customs union

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1169887796439343104

so he has just been overcharging this whole time....lol...the comments below are ripping them apart
Your man who owns them is a big supporter of brexit right?
UKIP are pretty irrelevant again thankfully

lawred2 · 06-09-2019 12:16PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Weatherspoons dropping their prices to show the benefits of leaving the customs union - but the UK is still in the customs union

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1169887796439343104

yeah the mind does boggle

seamus · 06-09-2019 12:18PM

The guy behind Wetherspoons has been backing Brexit the whole way along. From his point of view, foreign beer is his competition. If the UK leaves the EU, the price of EU-brewed beer will increase and Wetherspoons can corner the pub market.

It's nothing to do with things getting cheaper because of Brexit, it's to do with everything not made in Britain becoming more expensive.

But the kind of person this marketing stunt is aimed at, won't understand any of that. Wetherspoons' plan is to monopolise the beer market and increase prices. Free market 101.

Imreoir2 · 06-09-2019 12:18PM

gmisk wrote: »

Your man who owns them is a big supporter of brexit right?
UKIP are pretty irrelevant again thankfully

Yes, he is.

Presumably he will put his prices up again in November and blame not leaving the CU despite nothing having changed.

J Mysterio · 06-09-2019 12:28PM

Check out the Conservatives official Twitter. It's like the Sun/ Daily Mail/ etc. mixed up with UKIP and Brexit party feed and spewed out.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1169934208778874885

Pathetic

trellheim · 06-09-2019 12:30PM

NEW Opposition parties spoke this morning. Liz Saville Roberts from Plaid on @SkyNews shortly. She says

- All rebel alliance to vote against or abstain on election in Mon
- No rebel party will put down no confidence motion on Monday under FTPA
- Pre Oct 31 now unlikely

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1169923732627959809

Sam does get some good stuff in

trellheim · 06-09-2019 12:32PM

He does make me chuckle

https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1169861105352495105

There's a long list of people who have been firm on No-Deal Brexit without doing the sums.

I don't think the Irish Taoiseach is on it.

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